Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[~n/t~]

I always said if this much united energy was spent in finding Madeleine, she would have been found by now.
Unfortunately only little space for Madeleine is left in these everydays rants between two camps. Almost like you watch these people fighting about some REALITY SHOW.
I wish there was a Team Madeleine

I don't see fighting. I see legitimate discussions from both sides. As for finding madeleine.

1. We are not in Portugal

2. We are not privy to what is happening behind the scenes in the investigation. We can only discuss what's being reported in MSM

 

[Donjeta]

I like to keep an open mind, but TractorMan is not convincing as a suspect. If for example he started a fire in order to get back at his ex employer and that killed someone, but to take a child even if he had no intention of harming her, that's nuts.

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JMO but if it was the tractor guy it makes much more sense if you assume that he liked to abuse little girls. There are far too many examples of people abducting children for that purpose but I can't think of any where a disgruntled ex-employee kidnapped a child just to get back at the employer, and it wasn't even the employer's own child.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

ScarlettScarpetta seems to think that the Algarve region is an island. See the post I quoted here, for example. I don't know why she keeps referring to it as such - unless she's talking about some kind of small minor area or rock formation off the coast then I don't understand and I'm not even trying to be snarky.

No.. Really I don't.. sorry.. I am just thinking vacation place and typed that. I dated someone from Portugal and know where it is and all, I promise..

I should say beach area... And I apologize because I was typing as I was sending the kids out to trick or treat...

When people talk about the McCanns putting Madeleine in the water to disappear my head goes to island because that makes me think of Natalee Holloway.

Sorry.. My mistake. Won't be my last..

 

[~n/t~]

JMO but if it was the tractor guy it makes much more sense if you assume that he liked to abuse little girls. There are far too many examples of people abducting children for that purpose but I can't think of any where a disgruntled ex-employee kidnapped a child just to get back at the employer, and it wasn't even the employer's own child.

Agree. What I don't understand is why they're not releasing his photo. Does he resemble the efit? If not what the heck is going on? I thought SY and PJ were finally working as a team but it appears the McCanns think it's pure speculation about this guy. So what do they know that we nor LE know?

 

[~n/t~]

JMO but if it was the tractor guy it makes much more sense if you assume that he liked to abuse little girls. There are far too many examples of people abducting children for that purpose but I can't think of any where a disgruntled ex-employee kidnapped a child just to get back at the employer, and it wasn't even the employer's own child.

Maybe if it was a hostage situation it would make more sense or asking for ransom but that doesn't appear to be the case. The only motive would be to make OC look bad so he kidnaps a kid. It just doesn't make any sense unless like you said he was a pedophile.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

JMO but if it was the tractor guy it makes much more sense if you assume that he liked to abuse little girls. There are far too many examples of people abducting children for that purpose but I can't think of any where a disgruntled ex-employee kidnapped a child just to get back at the employer, and it wasn't even the employer's own child.

Maybe he was just hateful and vengeful and was acting out of malice.

 

[~n/t~]

Maybe he was just hateful and vengeful and was acting out of malice.

Against whom? His employer? Or the McCanns? If he was vengeful there are much easier ways to get back at your employer than planning an abduction don't you think?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Maybe he was just hateful and vengeful and was acting out of malice.

If he had a history of some illogical spiteful actions against others to get back at his perceived wrong doers. Perhaps.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Against whom? His employer? Or the McCanns? If he was vengeful there are much easier ways to get back at your employer than planning an abduction don't you think?

Some people are just nasty. I think if this is the case that he was looking to do this, Had a plan and was looking for the first available child.

There are easier ways but people do awful things to get revenge.

I wonder about his past, And yet I know there are people that seem perfectly normal but when one thing gets in the way of their life,plan or money, they snap. And they don't care who they hurt.

 

[Fierljepper]

I can't get over this itchy thought that Maddie was hidden somewhere in the park by someone who has specific knowledge of a good hiding location (and yes, the area under 5A must be hollow and pretty well sealed, but I really don't know if it is accessible in any way). If Maddie was hidden there and she died, it could explain some 'smell of death' slipping through e.g. via heating pipes through the floors into the apartment.

In that strange extreme scenario spirit, my eye fell on this picture that shows a gray hatch in the wall of the entrance of the Ocean Club area.

But that hatch has apparently been painted over and is now much more difficult to spot (could also be the photo angle) and looks more integrated in the wall. See here:

[\secret voice on] Is that hatch/door still in use or is it now permanently sealed (it looks like it)? What could be behind it and how much room is there to hide any(body)?[\secret voice off]

 

[~n/t~]

I can't get over this itchy thought that Maddie was hidden somewhere in the park by someone who has specific knowledge of a good hiding location (and yes, the area under 5A must be hollow and pretty well sealed, but I really don't know if it is accessible in any way). If Maddie was hidden there and she died, it could explain some 'smell of death' slipping through e.g. via heating pipes through the floors into the apartment.

In that strange extreme scenario spirit, my eye fell on this picture that shows a gray hatch in the wall of the entrance of the Ocean Club area.

But that hatch has apparently been painted over and is now much more difficult to spot (could also be the photo angle) and looks more integrated in the wall. See here:

[\secret voice on] Is that hatch/door still in use or is it now permanently sealed (it looks like it)? What could be behind it and how much room is there to hide any(body)?[\secret voice off]

It could just be me but they don't look like the same building:waitasec:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It could just be me but they don't look like the same building:waitasec:

THey are the same building just from different angles.

 

[~n/t~]

THey are the same building just from different angles.

It's not the same entrance door. I'm confused.

 

[Fierljepper]

It's not the same entrance door. I'm confused.

They cleaned up the whole entrance and gave a fresh paint. It's definitely the same building.

Found this photo on the (excellent!) link Haden posted earlier today.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It's not the same entrance door. I'm confused.

It is the same building.. It is just painted and has different signs..

 

[gord]

It is not against everything a normal parent would do. Toothbrushes get misplaced, Lost, Sometimes kids like to share everything at that age.
Toothbrushes belong on a sink. It is not like they are arsenic.. That a kid would take it and hide it, or play with it is really not any big deal or odd.

I think the point is that the toothbrushes were at some point shared or mixed up. So they couldn't guarantee that one brush had only ever been used for one child for DNA surety. That makes perfect sense kids grab the nearest brush . Heck I have shared s brush with my other half before on holiday for one night when one battery died

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[~n/t~]

They cleaned up the whole entrance and gave a fresh paint. It's definitely the same building.

Found this photo on the (excellent!) link Haden posted earlier today.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

I must be tired because I still don't see the photos. Anyhow don't matter I believe you.

Here are more photos

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MadeleineMccannBlogspot.htm

 

[haden]

Agree. What I don't understand is why they're not releasing his photo. Does he resemble the efit? If not what the heck is going on? I thought SY and PJ were finally working as a team but it appears the McCanns think it's pure speculation about this guy. So what do they know that we nor LE know?

the e-fit comes from an official source, the SY

the tractorman info comes from the second hand tabloid, a non official source

they cannot compare..

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I must be tired because I still don't see the photos. Anyhow don't matter I believe you.

Here are more photos

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MadeleineMccannBlogspot.htm

It is just two different angles. The first picture is looking up the hill at the building the other would be standing almost between the small building and the tall tower building and looking down back at the same building..

 

[~n/t~]

the e-fit comes from an official source, the SY

the tractorman info comes from the second hand tabloid, a non official source

they cannot compare..

Well it may have appeared from tabloid but it's now everywhere in MSM