Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 21

[colomom]

I brought this post over from Proboards.....

Thanks Leo!

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Here's a post from BishopBrennon on 3A - sums up the furious conterspinning so perfectly that i've stickybeaked it: http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8891

So if I can summarise the balanced and considered response from Clarence:

1. They were checking every 20 minutes that night, so don't call them bad parents
2. We think Madeleine may have been fibbing as no-one heard her cry and there was someone next door.
3. Despite there being someone next door, and them checking every 20 minutes, we think there was an abductor in there with her.
4. Kate and Gerry thought the best plan after Maddie getting such a fright was to leave her and her siblings all alone again the next night.
5. But to check on them every 30 minutes
6. And aren't the PJ total b'stards for leaking this story
7. And actually it's good for Kate and Gerry because it shows how truthful they are
8. Apart from the stuff about cuddlecat not being on a shelf

 

[Texana]

You know what really bothers me about this latest "news"? It is the fact that the McCanns were, at the moment of it's release, campaigning for a EU/UK system to help missing children. In my eyes, they were completely responsible for their own child being missing and therefore, had no business playing spokesperson. To me it appears to be the ultimate arrogance. If they knew all along that they basically abused their own children and they could sit up there on that stage in Brussels in front of God and everyone, well then, they are capable of concealing a horrific crime and sitting down for a Tapas dinner afterwards. And yes, I do think it is abuse when you know that your child was scared and crying and you choose to leave them in the exact same situation only hours after your 3 year old asked you why you did it.

I do not care how this revelation got out, I am glad it is out! People need to open up their eyes and see these (so called) parents for what they truly are.

I also agree that it cannot be labeled a smear when it is the truth! If the PJ had anything to do with it I would be surprised. It is more likely that the Portuguese press had this information and decided to release it. Or maybe....just maybe, one of the T7 spilled their guts and the leak came from LE in the UK. And isn't it amazing how the tabs in the UK jumped on this story? It really looks like the gloves may be off now.

About da*n time....

Amen to that.

 

[colomom]

From 24 Horas: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2130911&postcount=249

The key witness that claimed that Maddie was taken wrapped in a blanket by a man on the 3rd of May of 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Algarve, was heavily shaken when she admitted to the authorities that she only left the Tapas Bar, where she dinned with the McCanns and more six friends, after the alarm given by Kate.

So, she lied....

Never left the bar, no sick and vomiting child so, where was RoB for 45 minutes then??

:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:

 

[Barnaby]

From 24 Horas: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2130911&postcount=249

The key witness that claimed that Maddie was taken wrapped in a blanket by a man on the 3rd of May of 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Algarve, was heavily shaken when she admitted to the authorities that she only left the Tapas Bar, where she dinned with the McCanns and more six friends, after the alarm given by Kate.

So, she lied....

Never left the bar, no sick and vomiting child so, where was RoB for 45 minutes then??

:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:

A lot of spin going around that they are to be cleared I hope that is not true & that Tanner has told the truth at last!
How shameful for her to have lied on Panorama!

 

[Texana]

If this is true, that Jane has admitted that she never left the bar until Kate raised the alarm, then it is another devastating piece of news.

There may never be enough evidence to charge anyone--McCanns included--with the crime.

But the fundamental and essential question will be--WHY would Jane lie, and why would Jane lie so early?

This explains why Jane never spoke publicly or had her attorney contradict the varying published reports. There was no "there" there.

 

[Salem]

Wait Guys - didn't Jane always say she was late to dinner and she saw egghead guy on her WAY TO dinner? I'll have to go back and reread the early articles. I'm thinking she didn't lie about not leaving the table, but over the course of several months she has lied about the egghead man. First, he was bundleman, then the bundle was a child, then the child had pink pajamas until finally she knew exactly what he looked like to the point that a sketch was done and several people were accused of being the person in the sketch. Shameful. All she ever saw was this guy's shoes!

Salem

 

[Salem]

Also, in reading through all the articles that come up on Google, I am beginning to wonder if Clarance Mitchell didn't have a hand in this leak, as suggested by our own, very astute, InterestedWoman above.

There is just something in his wording that seems off. He is trying to be so indignant, but you know he is lying. The McCanns admitted it and then CM says Maddie was not "rebuking" them, it was just a matter of fact statement. Maddie apparently didn't even wait for an answer.

This wording of his really bugs me....... and it just doesn't ring true. I understand he is trying to deflect heat from the McCanns but there is just something missing, or being implied that I just can't get my finger on.....

I do promise, however, to let every one know as soon as I figure it out

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Wait Guys - didn't Jane always say she was late to dinner and she saw egghead guy on her WAY TO dinner? I'll have to go back and reread the early articles. I'm thinking she didn't lie about not leaving the table, but over the course of several months she has lied about the egghead man. First, he was bundleman, then the bundle was a child, then the child had pink pajamas until finally she knew exactly what he looked like to the point that a sketch was done and several people were accused of being the person in the sketch. Shameful. All she ever saw was this guy's shoes!

Salem

No Salem, Remember she said that she was back in her apartment when Kate discovered Madeleine missing. If I remember correctly she said that Rachel Oldfield came to tell her

 

[colomom]

Wait Guys - didn't Jane always say she was late to dinner and she saw egghead guy on her WAY TO dinner? I'll have to go back and reread the early articles. I'm thinking she didn't lie about not leaving the table, but over the course of several months she has lied about the egghead man. First, he was bundleman, then the bundle was a child, then the child had pink pajamas until finally she knew exactly what he looked like to the point that a sketch was done and several people were accused of being the person in the sketch. Shameful. All she ever saw was this guy's shoes!

Salem

....and remember Salem, she said she saw Gerry talking with Jes Wilkins which was supposedly right after Gerry's 9:10 check on the children.

I did read where she is saying that she saw "bundleman" before dinner now. Which would have been at 8:30, or so. Considering the supposed checks, every 30 minutes, somebody is LYING. I guess the McCanns could "admit" that they did not check on the kids, at all. But they could still cry "abduction".

I posted this, my thoughts on the "leak" over on Proboards:

Ah HA!!

NOW the McCanns being the source of the leak makes sense.

I was under the impression that as arguidos if the McCanns were asked to return to Portugal they had to, that was the agreement which allowed them to go back to the UK in the first place.

And all this time they have been spouting off about how they were so "willing" to go back and help in any way, no problem.

But something happened. Something that has them convinced that if they return they will be arrested. Something that has them scared to death.

So "leak" a story, make a big stink about how the PJ are out of control and completely unprofessional. That way they can cry foul and try and convince people that they are being set up. They need an excuse to fight extradition. VOILA!

Unfortunately for them, this will not fly. The simple fact of their complete disregard and abuse of those babies will turn peoples heads. Their support will go away fast because no one will want to align themselves with such blatant disregard for the most innocent. Mark my words....

This leak could very well be a spin tactic to turn our heads from JT's bombshell. What else did she say? :waitasec:

 

[Texana]

She supposedly say Bundleman at the same time Jeremy Wilkins was out, which was around 9:10.

That was after Gerry's check but before Kate's, making it a critical point that fit exactly in the "window" for an abduction.

Her account morphed over time from a person with a bundle that might have been a child, to definitely Robert Murat, to definitely seeing Maddie's exact pajama print on the child.

I think Colomom is on to something, the whole leaked story about having left the children the night before could be a deflection from Jane's admission.

 

[Salem]

Thanks Guys! I went to look at some old articles and of course they are gone now. I didn't try very hard......

IW and Colomom you guys may be on to something. Especially now that the rumors are saying the McCanns won't go back and do the reconstruction. They are so worried about finding Maddie that they just can't break away and besides, the reconstruction will only be worthwhile if ACTORS do it, because you know, it should go on tv, because you know, they are such great parents. Do you think they will find two small children to play Maddie and Sean and have them cry and then ask why no one came to them at the breakfast table. That should look good on tv don't you think?

I know, I know, I'm ranting again. Sorry.

Barnaby - thank you. Yes, I do remember now that Jane said she was in her room at the time Kate raised the alarm. Darn, I wish someone would leak her initial statement....

And I do remember how that egg man kept morphing like a Transformer. Couldn't keep up with all the new, detailed info, month by month. Just to find out she never left the table......... who woulda thought?

Salem

 

[april4sky]

From 24 Horas: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2130911&postcount=249

The key witness that claimed that Maddie was taken wrapped in a blanket by a man on the 3rd of May of 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Algarve, was heavily shaken when she admitted to the authorities that she only left the Tapas Bar, where she dinned with the McCanns and more six friends, after the alarm given by Kate.

So, she lied....

Never left the bar, no sick and vomiting child so, where was RoB for 45 minutes then??

:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:

Mmmmm not sure if her official statement has "yet" been "leaked." :waitasec:
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2008/04/13/maddie-cops-not-got-clue-98487-20380832/

Jane Tanner said: "If it wasn't such a serious matter some of the things that are being said about us would be laughable."
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Interesting comment from Jane Tanner.

 

[april4sky]

Chief investigator Paulo Rebelo will admit he has returned empty-handed.

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/uk...-police-fail-to-crack-tapas-7-78057-20380716/

Rebelo had hoped to expose inconsistencies in statements of the Tapas Seven holiday pals.

One Portuguese paper claimed there were discrepancies in statements but they were "essentially" the same

McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Everything they said in their new interviews is entirely consistent with their earlier statements.
"The speculation in the Portuguese press is yet more made-up rubbish.
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It all depends who you believe:waitasec: ....I guess time will tell.

 

[Barnaby]

Yes time will tell & you know what, perhaps they will get away with it! I don't think anyone here will be all that surprised if they do!

 

[Texana]

Of course their answers are consistent. They've had almost a year now to practice them.

 

[Barnaby]

Of course their answers are consistent. They've had almost a year now to practice them.

Yeah, bet that meeting in the hotel was like a classroom, kids saying their 2 x tables over & over again until they get it right!

 

[Salem]

Latest news say PLE deny the leak!!! None of the articles are saying anything worth posting at the moment, just that PLE deny and more news will follow.

Maybe there should be an investigation into the leak - then we can find out who really did it. That would be nice, huh.

Its interesting, because the big guy (can't remember his name at the moment) Rieblo? has assumed it came from Portugal and already apologized to the McCanns. Now..... maybe it did not really come from Portugal hmmmmmmmmm........

Salem

 

[Salem]

Salem the leaks were from the McCanns offficial police statement so could only have come from within the PJ.
So much for their secrecy laws!!! The press in both country's just run with it. :waitasec: Mmmmm...Sales!!!
My heart hurts for Madeleine too Salem. I find the whole thing just utterly utterly sad.

This will be interesting to watch, it seems that PLE is saying it did not come from the "official interviews."

And April, I know your heart hurts for Maddie also. I do respect your contribution to this board, even though we have different viewpoints.
:blowkiss:

Salem

 

[april4sky]

This will be interesting to watch, it seems that PLE is saying it did not come from the "official interviews."

And April, I know your heart hurts for Maddie also. I do respect your contribution to this board, even though we have different viewpoints.
:blowkiss:

Salem

Thank You Salem. I appreciate that. :blowkiss:

 

[Salem]

Some of the latest articles. The last article has a video of CM talking to Sky news - what a blatant liar. I am dumbfounded by some of the things he says, when he must know there are several witnesses that dispute those words coming out of his mouth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7347187.stm

http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Portugese-police-defend-leak-claims-453884313.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1312766,00.html

Salem