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There would be one heck of a long queue!
fair play to Mrs Healy for expressing her feelings, I am sure the McCanns will not be pleased! Poor woman must be so angry with them!
Texana
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Agreed!
I like Mrs. Healy because I think she is totally honest and just says what she thinks. She sympathizes with her daughter but she wants her granddaughter back, and I can really understand her. She is one of the few adults I really do understand in this case.
A fabulous post I just had to share with you.
From our friend Carrie over at the Proboards site, posted with permission (Thanks Carrie!)
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For Madeleine
Enough is Enough (updated 29th April 08)
This needs to stop. Now.
A year ago, a little girl who hadn't yet reached her fourth birthday "disappeared" from PDL, whilst on holiday with her family and a group of friends. From a villa described by The Times as "vulnerable", allegedly unlocked, on the ground floor, near a road and a swimming pool.
Reflecting upon the hype, media circus and PR spin a year on, we can ask ourselves this: Has any of it helped Madeleine McCann? Was any of it for Madeleine McCann?
I could forgive an accident, because I'm an adult and a mother and I understand along with other parents, that parenting is often frustrating, difficult and exhausting. Of course, with three young children, the McCanns wanted "us time" - but what a huge price to pay. Was the Tapas worth it, Kate and Gerry?
But aside from all this, is the basic truth. The huge truth. The one that Kate and Gerry and Clarence Mitchell and all the hangers on simply refuse to acknowledge. The ugly great monster of an elephant in the room: Kate and Gerry McCann, for all their attractiveness, for all their "success" and their address books full of the numbers of "friends in high places" are lousy parents. Every single responsible parent knows this. Which is why John Gaunt can look Eamon Holmes in the eye on Sky, and say that they are neglectful, and respond to Holmes' astonished "you can't say that", with "oh yes I can". Because he's right. But its taken a year. A whole sad, sorry, spin-filled year, before we can watch people state this simple truth.
And that's why the spin has to stop. Because we've had a year of it, and we're not stupid, thank you very much. Most of us struggle as parents, some of us more than others. But we all know, deep down, that when Clarence Mitchell tells us that "we all do it" (leave our kids), we can take the moral highground, we can topple the McCanns off their media pedestal. BECAUSE WE DON'T. PARENTS DO NOT LEAVE THEIR KIDS.
So it has to stop now.
We now know, a year on, that within hours of the alarm being raised following the McCanns screams of "abduction", these two "responsible" parents went to bed. Was it just me who read this with disbelief? Strangers were out searching the undergrowth, bins, the beach, the darkened alleyways and paths....and they went to bed.
Normal behaviour? Apparently so.
But we've had a whole year to predict the McCanns behaviour; to interpret "McCannspeak" - over "the situation Madeleine finds herself in." We've had a basin full of the McCanns; their jogs and their blogs, the meeting the Pope, the acting like Royalty on the meet and greet organised walkabouts. But still they have the ability to take my breath away: the proposed movie; the book; the TV appeals, the watching of Kate freefalling on Panorma; but now all of it is becoming a little predictable. Their neediness for absolution for the one thing they won't admit to is becoming embarrassing.
But most of all, its the constant whinging. The need for the focus to be on them, that's really doing my head in.
IT SHOULD BE ON MADELEINE. Yet we have been manipulated by the media who inturn have been manipulated by the McCanns perhaps, into being made to feel some sort of guilt for speaking up against the actions of these lousy parents. Why should we be put into this position. HOW DARE THEY TAR US WITH THE SAME BRUSH, TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER.
The events of last summer now seem more surreal than ever - the celebrity endorsements, the fawning by the press. Yet following Arguido status its become downright bizarre.
And she's still missing. Madeleine is still missing. A small, little girl, we know hardly anything about. So why has she been made to play second fiddle to her celebrity parents? Why are we being told how the parents feel. WHY DON'T THE PARENTS FOCUS ON HOW THEIR DAUGHTER MAY FEEL?
Or felt.
I blame the parents. These parents will not, and cannot, stand up and be held accountable; these parents who have surrounded themselves by a protective cloak, woven with spin doctors, lawyers, family members and God knows who else. A cloak of people intent on promoting the unacceptable behaviour of the McCanns as acceptable. "We are responsible parents", drones Gerry, and the media nods in agreement.
But they're not. A little girl is missing. Those five words are enough to prove this.
And it has to stop. Now.
And it will, if not now, but please God, sooner rather than later.
Truth will out. It has to. For Madeleine.
And that's why the McCanns are stamping their feet like two spoilt toddlers, refusing to go to Portugal to attend a reconstruction, and blaming everyone and everthing else, for "the situation they find themselves in". That's why their words and speeches and squeezed tears have failed to move us; have sounded hollow at best, and cringeworthy at worst. Because Kate and Gerry are portraying themselves as victims in a badly made B rated movie, with rubbish scripts and appalling acting. In real life - the real life that the PJ are focussing on - Madeleine is the victim. The McCanns could well be the perpertrators: its time the McCanns started living in the real world.
Kate and Gerry need to put aside their diversion tactics, and stop trying to hijack worthwhile causes like Amber Alert; stop trying to reinvent themselves like a failing 90s pop star, and wake up and face the music. It isn't Mark Warners fault that Madeleine is missing; it isn't their friends fault (as implied by Susan Healy), it isn't the "bumbling" PJs fault for not closing borders super quick; THE FAULT IS KATE AND GERRY'S. We all know this.
A year is enough of the spin, the Team McCann myth is built on a shaky foundation; a foundation of neglect and lies, and inappropriate blame.
Madeleine deserves better. As do all the other people who have been tainted and dirtied by the McCanns. No more sightings please. No more spin; no more blaming of others. No more innocent people caught up in the web of deceit spun by Team McCann.
Enough is Enough.
From our friend Carrie over at the Proboards site, posted with permission (Thanks Carrie!)
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For Madeleine
Enough is Enough (updated 29th April 08)
This needs to stop. Now.
A year ago, a little girl who hadn't yet reached her fourth birthday "disappeared" from PDL, whilst on holiday with her family and a group of friends. From a villa described by The Times as "vulnerable", allegedly unlocked, on the ground floor, near a road and a swimming pool.
Reflecting upon the hype, media circus and PR spin a year on, we can ask ourselves this: Has any of it helped Madeleine McCann? Was any of it for Madeleine McCann?
I could forgive an accident, because I'm an adult and a mother and I understand along with other parents, that parenting is often frustrating, difficult and exhausting. Of course, with three young children, the McCanns wanted "us time" - but what a huge price to pay. Was the Tapas worth it, Kate and Gerry?
But aside from all this, is the basic truth. The huge truth. The one that Kate and Gerry and Clarence Mitchell and all the hangers on simply refuse to acknowledge. The ugly great monster of an elephant in the room: Kate and Gerry McCann, for all their attractiveness, for all their "success" and their address books full of the numbers of "friends in high places" are lousy parents. Every single responsible parent knows this. Which is why John Gaunt can look Eamon Holmes in the eye on Sky, and say that they are neglectful, and respond to Holmes' astonished "you can't say that", with "oh yes I can". Because he's right. But its taken a year. A whole sad, sorry, spin-filled year, before we can watch people state this simple truth.
And that's why the spin has to stop. Because we've had a year of it, and we're not stupid, thank you very much. Most of us struggle as parents, some of us more than others. But we all know, deep down, that when Clarence Mitchell tells us that "we all do it" (leave our kids), we can take the moral highground, we can topple the McCanns off their media pedestal. BECAUSE WE DON'T. PARENTS DO NOT LEAVE THEIR KIDS.
So it has to stop now.
We now know, a year on, that within hours of the alarm being raised following the McCanns screams of "abduction", these two "responsible" parents went to bed. Was it just me who read this with disbelief? Strangers were out searching the undergrowth, bins, the beach, the darkened alleyways and paths....and they went to bed.
Normal behaviour? Apparently so.
But we've had a whole year to predict the McCanns behaviour; to interpret "McCannspeak" - over "the situation Madeleine finds herself in." We've had a basin full of the McCanns; their jogs and their blogs, the meeting the Pope, the acting like Royalty on the meet and greet organised walkabouts. But still they have the ability to take my breath away: the proposed movie; the book; the TV appeals, the watching of Kate freefalling on Panorma; but now all of it is becoming a little predictable. Their neediness for absolution for the one thing they won't admit to is becoming embarrassing.
But most of all, its the constant whinging. The need for the focus to be on them, that's really doing my head in.
IT SHOULD BE ON MADELEINE. Yet we have been manipulated by the media who inturn have been manipulated by the McCanns perhaps, into being made to feel some sort of guilt for speaking up against the actions of these lousy parents. Why should we be put into this position. HOW DARE THEY TAR US WITH THE SAME BRUSH, TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER.
The events of last summer now seem more surreal than ever - the celebrity endorsements, the fawning by the press. Yet following Arguido status its become downright bizarre.
And she's still missing. Madeleine is still missing. A small, little girl, we know hardly anything about. So why has she been made to play second fiddle to her celebrity parents? Why are we being told how the parents feel. WHY DON'T THE PARENTS FOCUS ON HOW THEIR DAUGHTER MAY FEEL?
Or felt.
I blame the parents. These parents will not, and cannot, stand up and be held accountable; these parents who have surrounded themselves by a protective cloak, woven with spin doctors, lawyers, family members and God knows who else. A cloak of people intent on promoting the unacceptable behaviour of the McCanns as acceptable. "We are responsible parents", drones Gerry, and the media nods in agreement.
But they're not. A little girl is missing. Those five words are enough to prove this.
And it has to stop. Now.
And it will, if not now, but please God, sooner rather than later.
Truth will out. It has to. For Madeleine.
And that's why the McCanns are stamping their feet like two spoilt toddlers, refusing to go to Portugal to attend a reconstruction, and blaming everyone and everthing else, for "the situation they find themselves in". That's why their words and speeches and squeezed tears have failed to move us; have sounded hollow at best, and cringeworthy at worst. Because Kate and Gerry are portraying themselves as victims in a badly made B rated movie, with rubbish scripts and appalling acting. In real life - the real life that the PJ are focussing on - Madeleine is the victim. The McCanns could well be the perpertrators: its time the McCanns started living in the real world.
Kate and Gerry need to put aside their diversion tactics, and stop trying to hijack worthwhile causes like Amber Alert; stop trying to reinvent themselves like a failing 90s pop star, and wake up and face the music. It isn't Mark Warners fault that Madeleine is missing; it isn't their friends fault (as implied by Susan Healy), it isn't the "bumbling" PJs fault for not closing borders super quick; THE FAULT IS KATE AND GERRY'S. We all know this.
A year is enough of the spin, the Team McCann myth is built on a shaky foundation; a foundation of neglect and lies, and inappropriate blame.
Madeleine deserves better. As do all the other people who have been tainted and dirtied by the McCanns. No more sightings please. No more spin; no more blaming of others. No more innocent people caught up in the web of deceit spun by Team McCann.
Enough is Enough.
Texana
Overreaching
Agreed, great post, Colomom, thanks for bringing it to us and pass on thanks to the author, please, for stating things so well.
Rhett, I can't remember when/where exactly it was revealed that the McCanns went to bed between two and four that night--I'm thinking closer to two--but I do remember that being made clear several months after Madeleine disappeared. I think sometime around the DNA trace evidence being made public.
Colomom, do you remember? Wasn't it the words of one of the other Tapas diners, or was it another British tourist helping to search? I don't think I had started archiving articles then for future reference. I'll check though.
Rhett, I can't remember when/where exactly it was revealed that the McCanns went to bed between two and four that night--I'm thinking closer to two--but I do remember that being made clear several months after Madeleine disappeared. I think sometime around the DNA trace evidence being made public.
Colomom, do you remember? Wasn't it the words of one of the other Tapas diners, or was it another British tourist helping to search? I don't think I had started archiving articles then for future reference. I'll check though.
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Great post by Carrie, Colomom, thanks for bringing that to us!
Rhett & Tex, yes it was widely reported that they went to bed that night, I wish I could find links but it is so far back.
That they went to bed is absolutely UNBELIEVABLE! How the heck could these people have even contemplated going to bed, never mind sleep? It is one of the most unthinkable things they have ever done & their little girl out there? IT IS MONSTROUS!
Rhett & Tex, yes it was widely reported that they went to bed that night, I wish I could find links but it is so far back.
That they went to bed is absolutely UNBELIEVABLE! How the heck could these people have even contemplated going to bed, never mind sleep? It is one of the most unthinkable things they have ever done & their little girl out there? IT IS MONSTROUS!
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You know the lies, excuses & blaming of others & now even inanimate objects like buggies gets more sickening very day!
They didn't have a buggy, so how come they were photographed with not one but two different twin buggies in PDL?
& who the heck goes on holidays with 2 year old twins & doesn't take a buggy? OOOPS the McCanns 'cos they never intended to have their kids with them at any stage anyway!
Whoosh, cluck, Madeleine disappears & twin buggy miraculously appears, fair trade, eh!
SICKENING, SICKENING, SICKENING!
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2234859.0.McCanns_left_children_in_hol iday_flat_because_we_did_not_have_a_buggy.php
McCanns left children in holiday flat because we did not have a buggy
......................................Mrs McCann added: "In fact, we were all . . . going to go up to the Millennium again, that was with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just because the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time."............................................ .
They didn't have a buggy, so how come they were photographed with not one but two different twin buggies in PDL?
& who the heck goes on holidays with 2 year old twins & doesn't take a buggy? OOOPS the McCanns 'cos they never intended to have their kids with them at any stage anyway!
Whoosh, cluck, Madeleine disappears & twin buggy miraculously appears, fair trade, eh!
SICKENING, SICKENING, SICKENING!
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2234859.0.McCanns_left_children_in_hol iday_flat_because_we_did_not_have_a_buggy.php
McCanns left children in holiday flat because we did not have a buggy
......................................Mrs McCann added: "In fact, we were all . . . going to go up to the Millennium again, that was with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just because the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time."............................................ .
I am with you guys, I am not completely clear on the "bedtime" early AM of May 4th.
I always refer to the McCann Files website for timelines (fantastic work there) which also has links to articles to back up the timelines shown. Check here: http://mccannfiles.com/id68.html which shows GM and David Payne going out at 4AM and then KM and GM out again at 6AM.
BUT there is another entry:
They got up at first light and went to search alone on the open scrubland beyond the resort, wandering around, calling Madeleines name. It was cold and lonely there was no answer.
This from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece
So, did they sleep? For an hour (5AM to 6AM) or maybe not....
This is one of those unanswered questions but I understand where the idea that they slept came from.
I always refer to the McCann Files website for timelines (fantastic work there) which also has links to articles to back up the timelines shown. Check here: http://mccannfiles.com/id68.html which shows GM and David Payne going out at 4AM and then KM and GM out again at 6AM.
BUT there is another entry:
They got up at first light and went to search alone on the open scrubland beyond the resort, wandering around, calling Madeleines name. It was cold and lonely there was no answer.
This from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece
So, did they sleep? For an hour (5AM to 6AM) or maybe not....
This is one of those unanswered questions but I understand where the idea that they slept came from.
This Is London 4/30/08
From this article:
"I see Madeleine's best friend from time to time. Can't help but wonder what would Madeleine be like, would she be that much taller, you know, is her hair as long as that? You know, and would she be writing her name too?"
Too much past tense for my liking...
And these:
Anybody else creeped out by this one???
And what's the point here?!?:
It's almost mean, in a way....
Just my feelings, my opinions...nothing more.
From this article:
"I see Madeleine's best friend from time to time. Can't help but wonder what would Madeleine be like, would she be that much taller, you know, is her hair as long as that? You know, and would she be writing her name too?"
Too much past tense for my liking...
And these:
Anybody else creeped out by this one???
And what's the point here?!?:
It's almost mean, in a way....
Just my feelings, my opinions...nothing more.
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This Is London 4/30/08
From this article:
"I see Madeleine's best friend from time to time. Can't help but wonder what would Madeleine be like, would she be that much taller, you know, is her hair as long as that? You know, and would she be writing her name too?"
Too much past tense for my liking...
And these:
Anybody else creeped out by this one???
And what's the point here?!?:
It's almost mean, in a way....
Just my feelings, my opinions...nothing more.
OMG! That mantlepiece totally creeps me out! It's gross!
One wonders what is in that urn in the centre? The one with the Heart! Ewwwwww!
As for their filing system - Nutty? Almost trivial, sarcastic & amusing!
One would think that two professionals who could set up all that they did in a few days - websites, bank accounts, domain names, patents etc etc would have a slightly more professional way of filing letters/documents!
& yes way too much past tense! If they think she is alive they should be saying what IS she like now, IS she writing her name, IS she much taller? Sorry for stating the obvious!
& where is her fathers elbow & part of the twin Sean, in that pic on the mantle piece?
OMG...Barnaby, are you me?????
LOL, great minds my friend!
Especially about the urn....
:blowkiss:
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Would be honoured, my friend!:blowkiss:
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The "Urn" is a Terramundi money pot" How appropriate!
http://www.homeandgardengifts.co.uk...-Money-Pots/Love-Card/Love-Card-03-14243.aspx
http://www.homeandgardengifts.co.uk...-Money-Pots/Love-Card/Love-Card-03-14243.aspx
Texana
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Thanks for the McCann Files link, Colomom. That's a good one to bookmark, since it does have the different accounts in different colors.
I agree completely, too much past tense in the "Would she..." It tells me Kate either knows or believes Maddie is no longer with us. She does not think of her child as "here" in the present tense.
Also, I agree about the urn/vase whatever thing. If I was going to have someone in to take photos of my house, I would have flowers next to Maddie's photo.
The filing system, though, I do understand, anything that's not completely supportive of them will get pitched. In a way, that makes sense to me, unlike everything else they've ever done or said--maybe because it probably wasn't the McCanns who set that up, but a friend or family member who did it for them. I really don't see Kate or Gerry dealing with the details of the mail.
I agree completely, too much past tense in the "Would she..." It tells me Kate either knows or believes Maddie is no longer with us. She does not think of her child as "here" in the present tense.
Also, I agree about the urn/vase whatever thing. If I was going to have someone in to take photos of my house, I would have flowers next to Maddie's photo.
The filing system, though, I do understand, anything that's not completely supportive of them will get pitched. In a way, that makes sense to me, unlike everything else they've ever done or said--maybe because it probably wasn't the McCanns who set that up, but a friend or family member who did it for them. I really don't see Kate or Gerry dealing with the details of the mail.
Texana
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Barnaby;2174187! [URL="http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2234859.0.McCanns_left_children_in_holiday_flat_because_we_did_not_have_a_buggy.php" said:
Has anybody else read this article? It's UNBELIEVABLE. And it's Kate's own words.
Kate actually says that the comment Maddie made about her parents not coming when she was crying was evidence that someone came "round" the night before--by implication, the kidnapper.
What? She thinks the only reason children might awaken and cry for their parents is someone coming into the room? And an intruder? Nobody friendly came into the children's room to check on them the night before?
Plus, she nicely explains why she and Gerry didn't get more concerned about the children waking and crying and being alone because "Madeleine said it in such a matter of fact way."
Sure, so once again, it's Madeleine's responsibility. That her parents didn't clue into the importance of young children being awake and crying for their parents, it's because of the way Maddie said that. (They're not neglectful or dismissive parents, it was the way Maddie said that.) It's the "situation Madeleine finds herself in" all over again, isn't it?
That on top of the buggy comment--when we know from photos they had strollers available--Just unbelievable.
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God almighty, call me stupid but I just realised what all the red things on the mantlepiece under Madeleine's name are (at first glance I thought it's sitting on something like a table runner) - they are wheels! It's a bloody train with an engine! Are these people wise? or just plain disrespectful!
Their daughter is missing & they put her name on a toy train! :sick:
Their daughter is missing & they put her name on a toy train! :sick:
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But of course Tex, it had to be an intruder! My goodness a child would never waken up & just cry because she was left all alone in the dark while her parents went out to get drunk now would she?
Nothing like setting the scene, eh?
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