Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 21

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  • #381
But of course Tex, it had to be an intruder! My goodness a child would never waken up & just cry because she was left all alone in the dark while her parents went out to get drunk now would she? :rolleyes:

Nothing like setting the scene, eh?

Exactly.

And just like when Kate ran into the room and "knew" right away that Maddie had been abducted, she "realizes" now that Maddie must have awoken to an intruder and cried.

So if the intruder left the first night, why not the second?

Logically speaking, you can't assume a connection/cause and effect between the children awakening and crying, and the next night's abduction.

The crying could have alerted a possible intruder/kidnapper that the children WERE being left alone.

The children's crying could have no connection whatsoever to a kidnapper the next night.

Absent any other concrete proof, you cannot logically connect the crying to an intruder.

If the intruder came the night before, why did he/she leave? What cut that intrusion short? Wouldn't an abductor be prepared to deal with a crying or fussy, awakened child?

This is either Kate backing up the agreed upon story, or Kate justifying every single shred she can grab, as pointing to an abduction. But why an abduction?

And that simply doesn't make sense as well. A four year old is more likely to get up and go look for Mommy or Daddy than anything else. So why are the McCanns still presenting themselves as so convinced that Maddie was abducted?

Jane Tanner's changing story? The changing shutters? The changing position of Cuddle Cat alone?

The more we get into this, the less sense the McCanns' words make, and that ought not to be so.
 
  • #382

And an ugly one, as well.

I noted also in the article that it said the McCanns weren't being paid for the interview with Kate...but money had been put in the Find Madeleine fund.

Nice. The money can be given straight to the McCanns, with the agreement of the pro-McCann trustees of the fund. It can pay for their "Amber Alert in Europe" travel expenses or anything else they wish.

What a crock of baloney.
 
  • #383
I want to know what is in the money pot!!!!!!!!!! AND I want to know NOW!!!!!

I would like to go to their house and have a look!

Salem
 
  • #384
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/McCanns-speak-of-hate-mail-campaign-999101498.html


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2008/04/30/mccanns-tell-of-holiday-buggy-woe-55578-20840559/

McCanns tell of holiday buggy woe

Apr 30 2008
Kate and Gerry McCann might not have left their children behind while they went out with friends on the night of Madeleine's disappearanceif theyhad taken a buggy on holiday.
The couple disclosed that they almost decided against going to a tapas restaurant opposite their apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.
But they decided against a plan to take the children to another restaurant because of the distance, they revealed.
In an ITV documentary, Mrs McCann also spoke of how she had "persecuted" herself for a year for not paying more attention to a remark by Madeleine on the morning before her disappearance that she had been crying the previous night in her parents' absence.
Interviewed for the programme, Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign For Change, the McCanns also spoke extensively of their emotions on the night of May 3/4 and their desperate dawn search through deserted streets for their daughter.
They also described their feelings on being made "arguidos" or official suspects in the case by Portuguese police as like being "in the middle of a horror movie".
In the two-hour documentary, which charts their campaign for an EU-wide missing child alert system, Mr McCann spoke of their current existence with no news of Madeleine's whereabouts as like "purgatory".
Breaking down in tears repeatedly, Mrs McCann spoke extensively about her experiences and hopes for the future.
Mrs McCann hinted openly for the first time at a deal reportedly offered to her by police if she admitted accidentally killing Madeleine and staging an abduction. She told the programme she was not going to be "railroaded".
The couple admitted they were effectively forced to leave Portugal two days after being declared arguidos last September because they felt it was no longer "safe" for them there.
ITV tonight at 20.00 GMT.

Now they are saying that if they had taken a BUGGY for Madeleine, then they would have gone out to some other restaurant and Maddie wouldn’t have been abducted. Then WHY didn’t they take advantage of the babysitting facilities, I know that hind sight is a wonderful thing but come on, the service was there on offer and for peace of mind it seemed the sensible thing to do. As responsible parents, that would have been my one and only option (apart from dine on the patio) in earshot of those babies.

Looks like they will be tugging at everyones heartstrings in the interview tonight :boohoo: , well not mine.
I am not a hard person, quite the opposite. I just can’t believe them or feel sorry. I know that this has been mentioned in posts 1000,s of times BUT bottom line is, those babies should never have been left alone, I will never change my mind on that.
 
  • #385
Kate says she has "persecuted" herself.

Once again, Kate's sense of being the victim is paramount.
 
  • #386
Exactly.

And just like when Kate ran into the room and "knew" right away that Maddie had been abducted, she "realizes" now that Maddie must have awoken to an intruder and cried.

So if the intruder left the first night, why not the second?

Logically speaking, you can't assume a connection/cause and effect between the children awakening and crying, and the next night's abduction.

The crying could have alerted a possible intruder/kidnapper that the children WERE being left alone.

The children's crying could have no connection whatsoever to a kidnapper the next night.

Absent any other concrete proof, you cannot logically connect the crying to an intruder.

If the intruder came the night before, why did he/she leave? What cut that intrusion short? Wouldn't an abductor be prepared to deal with a crying or fussy, awakened child?

This is either Kate backing up the agreed upon story, or Kate justifying every single shred she can grab, as pointing to an abduction. But why an abduction?

And that simply doesn't make sense as well. A four year old is more likely to get up and go look for Mommy or Daddy than anything else. So why are the McCanns still presenting themselves as so convinced that Maddie was abducted?

Jane Tanner's changing story? The changing shutters? The changing position of Cuddle Cat alone?

The more we get into this, the less sense the McCanns' words make, and that ought not to be so.

Excellent comments Texana! The whole thing is becoming more & more ludicrous. I think they are really beginning to hang themselves!

I want to know what is in the money pot!!!!!!!!!! AND I want to know NOW!!!!!

I would like to go to their house and have a look!

This money pot/urn on the mantlepiece looks to me like a taunt rather like "Find the body & prove it"
The McCanns know what is being said about them, to have a photograph of a money pot on their mantle has to be calculated!

Salem

Kate says she has "persecuted" herself.

Once again, Kate's sense of being the victim is paramount.

Yes never a word that poor Madeleine might be being persecuted right now but then of course I think they know that her persecution is over!
 
  • #387
Buggy? Couldn't they have bought a buggy there in Praia da Luz? :waitasec:

I don't get it. The children couldn't walk to a nearby family restaurant, so instead of shelling out money for a pram, they chose to put their children in neglectful danger, at the mercy of anyone who wanted to walk in and carry them off?

Yeah, that's right. :rolleyes: Good story . . .

But as we know, later they had a nice big double carriage, because there are pictures of it on Getty images. Did they have it shipped there from England, or did someone on the continent of Europe actually have such a device they could borrow?

So none of the other Tapas Nine had a buggy they could borrow for that evening?

I thought the kids ate their "tea" at the Creche anyway?

This isn't adding up people. This is nonsense. :mad:
 
  • #388
I believe the buggy comment is another lie. This picture is one of the last taken of Madeline that has been cropped to see what I think is Kate, holding Amelie (sp?), standing next to a buggy. The original picture is of Gerry, Madeline, Sean and another female child playing. Madeleine is jumping over something, (?) You will need to magnify. Kate is looking toward the children playing, but has her hand up to shield her eyes from the sun. The child she is holding has blonde hair and looks to be holding, dare I say it... a "cuddle cat" looking toy. Kate has on tan shorts & dark colored sweater.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/iNTERESTEDWOMAN/i301499017_75749_5-1.jpg

Some will probably disagree and say that Kate is taking the picture, but in the original picture, the shadow of the photographer appears to large to be Kate. I think it's the father of the female child. IMHO.
 
  • #389
Buggy? Couldn't they have bought a buggy there in Praia da Luz? :waitasec:

I don't get it. The children couldn't walk to a nearby family restaurant, so instead of shelling out money for a pram, they chose to put their children in neglectful danger, at the mercy of anyone who wanted to walk in and carry them off?

Yeah, that's right. :rolleyes: Good story . . .

But as we know, later they had a nice big double carriage, because there are pictures of it on Getty images. Did they have it shipped there from England, or did someone on the continent of Europe actually have such a device they could borrow?

So none of the other Tapas Nine had a buggy they could borrow for that evening?

I thought the kids ate their "tea" at the Creche anyway?

This isn't adding up people. This is nonsense. :mad:

Absolute nonsense! Remember they had twerent buggys in PDL, why I wonder, when none at the beginning?

I just watched the 2 hour documentary here. I have to say they came across very well this time, some emotion, Kate shabbily dressed, no make up, no highlights, they are learning!
This programme will get them a lot of sympathy!
 
  • #390
HappyGerry.jpg


What was wrong with this buggy...
 
  • #391
Regarding the money pot on the mantle, I just found this so to be fair someone could have sent it to them. I only saw the wish info now!

http://www.savings4.me.uk/terramundi-money-pots.asp

Your wishes and dreams can start here. Each pot comes with a fortune card already inside. When you first get your money pot or love pot you will also be given a small card with it. On this you write a wish and place it in the pot with the first silver coin.
Once the first coin is dropped your money pot must be fed until full. Upon which time it is smashed whilst making a wish. It is customary to replace the money pot and spend the money on 'good things', as they bring good fortune.
 
  • #392
It is amazing, isn't it?

Look at what Kate talks about the most...not that Maddie might be somewhere suffering, or crying, or missing her family and home. I know that would be painful and horrendous to consider but they seem to have been able to that in the past--"alive and well cared for," "giving her tuppence worth," "being treated like a princess." So I don't honestly think that it's the sheer agony of her being gone that makes Kate talk this way.

The McCanns always talk the most about themselves and their feelings. Even the Christmas card they showed, had to be the "see how nasty people are to us."

Nothing anyone says to the McCanns can be as bad as what could be happening to Maddie. The McCanns can choose to not read anything or have someone read and filter the cards (which they have done in the past.)

Maddie, if she's being held by an abductor and is still alive, doesn't have the choice to avoid one bit of her fate.
 
  • #393
HappyGerry.jpg


What was wrong with this buggy...

Apparently, you only get that buggy when you leave your children alone because you don't have a buggy. :mad: Maybe the rental shop was closed. That would certainly mean you had to leave the children alone.
 
  • #394
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353442,00.html

"... they had been planning on a family trip to a restaurant a half-mile away but chose to leave their twins and Madeleine at their apartment in Praia da Luz because they said they were tired."

Once again they blame the children for the situation they found themselves in-alone, afraid, in the dark, crying...and tired. What terrible parents!
 
  • #395
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353442,00.html

"... they had been planning on a family trip to a restaurant a half-mile away but chose to leave their twins and Madeleine at their apartment in Praia da Luz because they said they were tired."

Once again they blame the children for the situation they found themselves in-alone, afraid, in the dark, crying...and tired. What terrible parents!

It's always the children's responsibility for the situation, as the McCanns put it, "they find themselves in."
 
  • #396
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353442,00.html

"... they had been planning on a family trip to a restaurant a half-mile away but chose to leave their twins and Madeleine at their apartment in Praia da Luz because they said they were tired."

Once again they blame the children for the situation they found themselves in-alone, afraid, in the dark, crying...and tired. What terrible parents!
:confused: Yeah, duh? They didn't expect children that young to be tired at night? As a mother of three, that insults my intelligence.

You don't leave children alone because they are tired. There were two adults there, and it was a resort. Surely one of them could have gone out and gotten some food and brought it back.

This was an adult choice, and to shove it off on the lack of a baby carriage or the fact that children were tired (big surprise as they are tired every night), is the lamest defense so far.
 
  • #397
The patio area seemed like a decent size , easily enough for 5 (2 if the infants were tired and needed their beds). No excuse at all, in fact as you say ThoughtFox, just a lame excuse.

I didn't watch the ITV programme last night ( just couldn't bring myself to) because I knew what to expect. Tears, remorse:eek: and endless excuses and apparently K was crying (what a surprise)...were there any tears?

Gerry (snippet from 3A's......
.....Gerry "You cant have raw emotion 24/7") :waitasec: why not, come on



http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11370&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=330

Reading the posters comments on 3A's, I am so glad that I didn't watch the programme. These 2 would have annoyed me so much that I would have ended up throwing something at the tele :rolleyes:



K: There were 9 adults and the kids. Kids having fun and not getting bored and for us to have a little time for ourselves.
Narration to shots of PDL.

Our kids usually go to bed around 7. They were really tired and trying to carry 3 between 2 of us and we couldn't do that, decided it wasn't fair. (K)
G said why don't we try and eat there (tapas)
K Thought it was a good idea
Wasn't until then we realised there wasn't a listening service but we were doing our own.
G: it felt safe, like dining in our own garden. Furthest thing from our minds.
K: if someone had said do you think its going to be ok? it wouldn't have happened. Absolutely no way if i'd had the slightest inkling that it had been unsafe i wouldn't have done it.
G; We have to live with fact weren't directly there and if we were , possibly, probably, it wouldn't have happened.
 
  • #398
But the resort offered babysitting, didn't it? Early on Kate said they didn't want to leave the children with strangers? (the sitters were from the daytime creche) OR they could have taken them to the night time creche. Surely other tired children would be there, too, sleeping?

Which reason was it? Strangers? No buggy? Tired?

The reason there was no baby listening service is the resort offered night time sitters and a night time creche! They certainly offered night time child care as part of their services!
 
  • #399
BREAKING NEWS Updated:13:33, Thursday May 01, 2008



http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1314686,00.html

Madeleine: Cops Quiz 'Key' Witness


Martin Brunt
Crime correspondent Updated:13:33, Thursday May 01, 2008
Police have re-interviewed a woman who may prove to be a key witness in the Madeleine McCann case.
 
  • #400
Makes me laugh all these excuses trying to get out of taking the blame! Ok one by one:
1. No buggy! Whose fault was that? What idiot parents don't take a buggy on holidays with 3 kids under 4? Their fault!

2. Too tired, it wouldn't be fair? fair to who? The kids to take them out tired or the McCanns when their tiredness would spoil their evening & dear help them they would have to carry the kids home because THEY didn't being a buggy!
So it was much kinder to the kids to leave them alone in the dark in an unlocked apartment, possibly crying & subsequently abducted?

3. No babysitting service, yes there was, they refused it!

If there ever was an abductor I tell you if these people could bottle & sell what they have - the ability to remain happy, cheerful & carefree when their daughter has been abducted possibly by pedophiles - they wouldn't need the fund, they would make a cool fortune. I certainly would buy some!
 
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