Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 22

[april4sky]

For anyone who hasn't seen the ITV Madeleine video a couple of download sites that have it are...

http://www.uknova.com/wsgi/login

http://www.thebox.bz/login.php

Uknova is a busy site and can be difficult to get on but hopefully one of them will work.

 

[Barnaby]

I know a stillborn child isn't at all the same as a missing child but this is how we handle the anniversay of my son's birth and death.

First of all, while it is a time of private tears and a weighty feeling of poignant sadness that starts at the beginning of the month, I have always felt like we couldn't NOT observe the day either.

I carry the love for my second son in my heart and will until the day I die. It's not something I talk about in public, because I don't want to cause other's discomfort...but it doesn't mean I don't find reminders of his very short being on this Earth and think of him often.

My other three children are, of course, aware of the date of their brother's death - the two older ones clearly remember the day. I have always thought it was part of our family story to remember this child in some concrete way so we decided to give a yearly donation in his name to a charity. We have a family meeting sometime in the the early summer and think about what he might've been doing at this time in his life, based on what age he would be and then we pick an applicable charity or cause.

Just some of the things we've done in the past are improvements to our church nursery, playground equipment for the preschool he would've attended, money toward a running track at the elementary school, scholarships to a local Children's Choir my other children were involved in, equipment for Little League, sending a set of parents to Williamsburg to watch their child play in the Little League World series when a local area made it to the playoffs, donations to the big fireworks show in our town, money for a new sound system for our high school performing arts department, a commemorative brick at Disneyland, money for grad night at the high school....etc..

There's no huge hoopla or fanfare. Usually on the night of his actual birthday we read the acknowlegement letter received for the gift, assuming it's been received at that point.

I don't know what the McCanns did specifically but I don't have the heart to fault or judge them for however they chose to mark the day.

Teacherbees, you have my deepest condolences. So wonderful that you remember your son in such a constructive way!

I know your pain , I have a wonderful 21 year old daughter, I thank God ever day for her but she was a twin & the twin didn't make it! Whenever I see my daughter with a girl her age who resembles her, I feel the pain more accutely but I console myself with the thought that I could have lost both & that makes it bearable!
We both have angels in heaven! {{{Hugs}}}

 

[april4sky]

I don't know what the McCanns did specifically but I don't have the heart to fault or judge them for however they chose to mark the day.

Teacherbees I'm so sorry you lost your son. :blowkiss: It must have been very painful to have gone through a full pregnancy only to lose him.
I lost a baby through miscarriage at five months. That was hard enough. I can't imagine the pain of losing a child you had carried to full term.

I agree with you that we shouldn't judge the McCanns on how they chose to mark Madeleines birthday. I myself find it hearbreaking.

 

[colomom]

24horas: The McCanns will be accused of negligence if they are not present for the reenactment

translation Li: http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13406

Public Prosecutor fed up with the lack of cooperation of the British couple

Ultimatum to the McCanns

Kate, Gerry and the seven friends did not yet accept to return to Portugal on the 29th. The Public Prosecutor is going to accuse the couple of gross negligence

Text: Carlos Tomás

The Public Prosecutor made an ultimatum to the McCanns: or the reenactment of Maddie's disappearance that will take place on the next 29th of May or the Public Prosecutor will advance with the accusation of gross negligence against the couple.

The PJ also informed the McCanns that "either all of them return (on the 29th) or none will come" as it was admitted by the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell to the 24 Horas. All, should be read Kate, Gerry and the seven friends that dinned with them in the Tapas, at Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May of 2007.
Clarence Mitchell admitted to the 24 Horas that the reenactment will not take place on the 29th due to doubts of the friends.
Kate and Gerry as the 24 Horas has already reported should be accused of gross negligence being the maximum penalty ten years jail.
"There has not been any kind of cooperation with the authorities from their part. What is strange for parents that are constantly and publicly claiming that they want to find their missing daughter. It is an unusual behaviour. Any father or mother that had lost a child would have all interest in cooperating with the authorities. The truth is from the McCann's part that help does not exist. What they say is that they are willing to come to Portugal but only under certain conditions", explained to the 24 Horas a source from the Portimão's Court.
According to the same source, after the suggestion of the Public Prosecutor to make the reconstruction on the 15th and 16th of May, a new date was suggested: the 29th of May. However less than a week from that day the Portuguese authorities are still empty handed. Neither the parents nor their friends gave any signal of life.

Enough evidence

"We have the conviction that the parents participated in the concealment of the body's girl and that she is dead. Although the existing evidences are not enough to accuse them of homicide. But we have more than enough evidence to accuse them of negligence. They know that and they don't return to Portugal probably because they are afraid of being arrested", said another judicial responsible connected to the investigation.
"It is not understandable the reason why they are all dragging their feet - including the McCanns - to participate in a reenactment that will probably last 6 hours".

Facts

If the Public Prosecutor goes ahead with the accusation of gross negligence against the McCanns, Kate and Gerry will claim that they were "responsible parents" in the night of the 3rd of May, explained Clarence Mitchell. That is the advise given by the Portuguese and British lawyers.

The reenactment of the facts occurred in the night of 3rd of May of 2007 will not be done on the 29th due to questions raised by the seven friends of the McCanns to the PJ. "We are in a phase that the friends, one by one, are presenting their arguments to the PJ. They do not understand the objective of the reenactment one year after the disappearance of Maddie". The friends also "emphasise that more people should participate in the reenactment such as the employees of the Ocean Club and other witnesses". But Kate and Gerry due to the fact that they are arguidos, will come to Portugal if the PJ demands.
Caught by surprise with the fact that the Public Prosecutor might advance with the accusation of gross negligence against the McCanns, Clarence questions: "Why that accusation now, one year after the facts? It seems strange".
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2851&link=09

 

[ThoughtFox]

Caught by surprise with the fact that the Public Prosecutor might advance with the accusation of gross negligence against the McCanns, Clarence questions: "Why that accusation now, one year after the facts? It seems strange".
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2851&link=09

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It sounds pretty good if they really do it. Personally, I think they ought to charge the McCanns and any friends of theirs who weren't watching out for their children that night.

If it's going to take the next nine months to fill out some simple paperwork and mail it, though, I'm going to take a break from reading about this case. I can't take much more of this. :bang:

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

<snip>Weird that you say these cones sold in Portugal, someone from another board just suggested to me that the top that Madeleine is wearing in that pic is 2008????? Anyone recognise it?
Now I am not well up on young kids clothing at the minute not having any young kids but that would be very interesting & would account for the fact that she looks different, more mature, filled out. Could she still be alive & the McC's know it? One theory is that the whole thing was a set up & they know she is alive that accounts for the lack of grief!
But then what about the DNA & cadaver odour <snip>

Interesting comment. I wonder if this person who says that the dress/outfit comes from a 2008 line of clothing has any proof...a catalogue or something? I don't like to go here, especially here at WS because it is a little out there...almost 3A's weirdness BUT...

Something like this would explain the faked, (IMO) coloboma, and height of Madeleine. She was clearly MUCH taller than what was reported on the Portuguese police flyer. This verified by this picture. (also included are catalogue pictures of the play house for reference)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/iNTERESTEDWOMAN/sidebyside.jpg

The door opening is approx 10 CM higher (according to the manufacture specks) than Madeleine's reported height. As you can clearly see they are approx. the same height. We keep hearing that she was so small for her age, but actually she was NOT small for her age, she was average to above average height. WHY are they lying about this???

The coloboma is very interesting to me. When freeze framing pictures of Madeleine on the US 20/20 special, (recorded on DVR) I found it very peculiar that many (on-line) pictures of Madeleine where it is virtually impossible to see the coloboma (even after highlighting, lightening changing hue etc...) had VERY OBVIOUS coloboma in the TV program. The black and white family photo was a biggie. The famous Everton photo, (the one where she has her hand pushing her hair back out of her face), is VERY interesting. The coloboma is completely different. It's comma shaped, where the picture online are cone shaped. VERY WEIRD.

I am convinced she did not have one.

 

[chronictonic]

Hey In answer to your youtube email regarding madeleine mccann icecreamcone photo:
I got it from ITVs one year on campaign for change
it was shown on ITV a few weeks ago
Its definitely Madeleine
i hope that clears it up for you
From xxxxx out personal name of minor who grabbed photos from ITV. although I still wonder, why all the doctering of the photo, that's the answer to that, she claims that photo of ice cream cone was Madel..

Great news if true that they are willing to charge on a Neg charge, just get them in; and then take it from there. I think the McCamp is AFRAID; and they've always came off as guilty and in fear of the PJ and their laws. Then, they used their aguido status as a ploy to refuse to discuss the case; when most normal parents would have been screaming from the rooftops, NO MATTER THEIR LAWS; in order to FIND THEIR CHILD.
ITs my opinion, they knew madel would never BE FOUND, wasnt missing and was already dead. Long before they went to dinner on May3. I'm sticking to it; I've not waivered on this I just cannot based on their behavior as a couple. Thanks for the Links.
CT

 

[chronictonic]

Interesting comment. I wonder if this person who says that the dress/outfit comes from a 2008 line of clothing has any proof...a catalogue or something? I don't like to go here, especially here at WS because it is a little out there...almost 3A's weirdness BUT...

Something like this would explain the faked, (IMO) coloboma, and height of Madeleine. She was clearly MUCH taller than what was reported on the Portuguese police flyer. This verified by this picture. (also included are catalogue pictures of the play house for reference)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/iNTERESTEDWOMAN/sidebyside.jpg

The door opening is approx 10 CM higher (according to the manufacture specks) than Madeleine's reported height. As you can clearly see they are approx. the same height. We keep hearing that she was so small for her age, but actually she was NOT small for her age, she was average to above average height. WHY are they lying about this???

The coloboma is very interesting to me. When freeze framing pictures of Madeleine on the US 20/20 special, (recorded on DVR) I found it very peculiar that many (on-line) pictures of Madeleine where it is virtually impossible to see the coloboma (even after highlighting, lightening changing hue etc...) had VERY OBVIOUS coloboma in the TV program. The black and white family photo was a biggie. The famous Everton photo, (the one where she has her hand pushing her hair back out of her face), is VERY interesting. The coloboma is completely different. It's comma shaped, where the picture online are cone shaped. VERY WEIRD.

I am convinced she did not have one.

http://picasaweb.google.com/CAGirls...photo?authkey=U1BPBoXUeIQ#5203625850234418514

More noticeable were here two different eye colors and dimples which should have been mentioned early on. INterpol was the only place I could even find her height mentioned, their flyers never did address he exact height. Interpol had it tho. In the one photo of Madel in her red dress the upclose photo of her teeth that shows the spaces? You can clearly see her coloboma there. I think it was when the mccanns approached gOOgle to use them for their LOOK campaign, that I had about had it with them trying to sink their claws into any corp with $$. It was clear early on; to a lot of us watching this case. I'll post the photo if you dont have it; where you clearly can see her eye color difference, she has one blue grey eye and one green brwn eye and that should have been addressed, early on. It's very noticeable to me; as a photog; it's just one of those things I always see in ppl.

 

[chronictonic]

http://picasaweb.google.com/CAGirls...photo?authkey=U1BPBoXUeIQ#5203625850234418514

 

[SleuthMom]

Kate and Gerry will claim that they were "responsible parents" in the night of the 3rd of May.

Really?? And how are they going to prove that?

Also Mr. Mitchell, nothing is "strange" about charging the Mc Canns with negligence after a year. Remember there is an investigation going on, you should be grateful your favorite couple is literally getting away with murder. I am pretty confident their expensive lawyer can also get them away with negligence.

 

[colomom]

23.05.2008

British police officer accuses the McCanns of having an agreement to prevent the reconstruction

According to a senior member of the Enderby police force in Leicestershire, “Kate and Gerry McCann have established an agreement with their seven friends aimed at preventing the reconstruction requested by the Portuguese authorities”.

“They know that this reconstruction will not take place if the group is not complete”, confirmed the officer, adding, “it is evident that Kate and Gerry cannot directly and publicly refuse to participate, with the risk of seeing the public opinion in the UK turn against them”.

“That is why it is the friends who have made it known that they will not participate”, stated the British officer who had accompanied the investigations in Portugal.

Almost at the same moment that the officer made his accusations, Kate and Gerry McCann made it known today, via their spokesman, that they would be prepared to comply with a notification from the Portuguese authorities with the aim of participating in the reconstruction, but their friends continue to contest the request, doubting its usefulness.

Emphasising the fact that Kate and Gerry McCann are still under arguido status, Clarence Mitchell confirmed, in statements made to the Lusa Portuguese agency that “if their presence is demanded, they will go, they have to go”.

The PJ claims to carry out a reconstruction of the movements that the parents and their friends, who were present at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance, claimed to have made.

Initially, the PJ’s suggestion had been transmitted via the couple’s lawyers, only to end up as individual summons because the validity of the request requires the presence of the complete group, which seems increasingly improbable.

“Everything depends on the friends, who were invited to go but, as they are not arguidos, they have the right to question the usefulness of the reconstruction and whether it will help to find Madeleine – and their reply at the moment appears to be negative”, explained Clarence Mitchell.

The seven friends - Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien, Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne, and the latter’s mother, Diane Webster – have been interrogated as witnesses in Portugal and in the UK, confirming their wish to help the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine, but today they appear to have imposed conditions upon their return from Praia da Luz.

According to Clarence Mitchell, given the proximity of the second date proposed by the Portuguese authorities and the lack of response to the group’s demands, “it is highly improbable that the reconstruction can take place”.

The main reason cited by the seven Britons to doubt the initiative of the Portuguese authorities would be, according to Clarence Mitchell, linked to the fact that “the police last year rejected a proposal from the BBC Crimewatch programme” in order to carry out a reconstruction.
An explanation that is not likely to convince the Portuguese and British investigators because this type of procedure, within the framework of a programme such as Crimewatch, does not have the same objective. If in the UK, this procedure is used to investigate the witness reports, in Portugal the recourse to this kind of procedure, as happens in the majority of European countries, serves to consolidate – or not – an inquiry that is close to conclusion.

From: http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/archive...-accuse-les-mccann-d-avoir-un-accord-pou.html

 

[colomom]

Trio preparing intimidation action against Robert Murat

From: http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/archive...-accuse-les-mccann-d-avoir-un-accord-pou.html

Two British and a Spanish national, resident in Spain, were put under close surveillance by authorities after the interception of an electronic mail message with details of preparations for a trip to Praia da Luz for actions of intimidation against Robert Murat and his girlfriend Michaela Walczuch.

According to a source from the police, the trio are known in connection with Helping To Find Madeleine (HTFM), an organization created on the Internet to help the campaign launched by Kate and Gerry McCann after the disappearance of their daughter.

The three supporters, after taking note of the visit of multimillionaire Brian Kennedy in Praia da Luz for a meeting with Robert Murat, remained convinced that the British arguido would have vital information in case of missing Madeleine.

Contacted by telephone, a head of a HTFM confirmed that none of the three supporters has ever been a member of the organization, stressing that there would be only one male member in its ranks. According to the same official, the principal activity of HTFM would be distributing posters research Maddie.

After the fire criminal's car Sergey Malinka, a witness in the case of missing Madeleine and friend of Robert Murat, the police decided to keep the trio under surveillance, without conducting at the moment to any detention.

"We are dealing with three people, aged 20 to 34 years without known criminal history, at least in Spain, but who were heavily influenced by media coverage of the case," said the police spokesman stressing that the "the three persons have no direct or indirect link to the McCann couple."

 

[april4sky]

23.05.2008

British police officer accuses the McCanns of having an agreement to prevent the reconstruction

No surprise that there is no "named" source.

I think this is another example of not letting the truth get in the way of "Sales"

 

[ThoughtFox]

Thanks for all the news, Colomom! Fascinating stuff, indeed!

If you look at it from the point of view of the British police who are dealing with the Tapas Nine, they need to leak something because otherwise they will be accused of "covering" for the group just to keep them out of the hands of the Portuguese. I think there's some truth about this "agreement" between the friends. Remember that "meeting" they had just before the police arrived? And it was "oh so innocent" according to Clarence.

 

[shoregirl]

Hey In answer to your youtube email regarding madeleine mccann icecreamcone photo:
I got it from ITVs one year on campaign for change
it was shown on ITV a few weeks ago
Its definitely Madeleine
i hope that clears it up for you
From xxxxx out personal name of minor who grabbed photos from ITV. although I still wonder, why all the doctering of the photo, that's the answer to that, she claims that photo of ice cream cone was Madel..

Great news if true that they are willing to charge on a Neg charge, just get them in; and then take it from there. I think the McCamp is AFRAID; and they've always came off as guilty and in fear of the PJ and their laws. Then, they used their aguido status as a ploy to refuse to discuss the case; when most normal parents would have been screaming from the rooftops, NO MATTER THEIR LAWS; in order to FIND THEIR CHILD.
ITs my opinion, they knew madel would never BE FOUND, wasnt missing and was already dead. Long before they went to dinner on May3. I'm sticking to it; I've not waivered on this I just cannot based on their behavior as a couple. Thanks for the Links.
CT

Hey I'm stalking you! Just came over since the boards aren't doing anything on insession. I have alot of catching up to do....this is a great board. I agree with you CT, I mean after all when do you not look something? When you know where it is!

 

[Texana]

We don't know what exactly the Tapas diners have said to the Portuguese authorities about returning for a re-enactment--ditto for the McCanns. We have conflicting statements from both about their participation and willingness to participate.

What we do know: The Portuguese LE asked for a re-enactment of the night Madeleine disappeared.

The Tapas diners have not returned to Portugal.

The McCanns have not returned.

The re-enactment has not happened, nor is there any definite schedule or timing of one announced.

So we can safely say, then, that there is no co-operation at all from the McCann camp, they have no intention of participating, and again, the "do anything to see Madeleine returned safely" means "anything" as defined only by themselves.

 

[Pinkhammer]

"Trio preparing intimidation action against Robert Murat "


That's a weird story. Some internet McCann groupies going over to solve the case all by themselves?

 

[Texana]

"Trio preparing intimidation action against Robert Murat "


That's a weird story. Some internet McCann groupies going over to solve the case all by themselves?

Sure looks like it, doesn't it?

 

[Barnaby]

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13512&sid=9b9ad2984991234b643a984292d1ea88

Enfantes kidnappes turns against McCanns

After a year of studied neutrality, it seems as though this respected site for all missing children in Europe has finally lost patience with Clarence and the McCanns. The full article is on their webpage, but the final 2 paras were worth translating:

Regardless of anything, it is of little import for us to know whether or not the parents are guilty. Whether or not they will be charged. The only thing that matters is what happened to Madeleine. This is the only important question &#8211; more so than the possible guilt or otherwise of the parents. But we have to be honest here, since their departure from Portugal, when according to some they abandoned Maddie for a second time, the parents and their friends appear to react as if it all too late for Madeleine and that the only thing that matters to them now is to keep themselves and the twins safe and out of sight. Don&#8217;t forget that the PJ had already declared that in their search for an abductor they had no intention of harassing the parents for neglect. The abduction was the prime focus.

In conclusion: We think that Mr Clarence Mitchell needs to take a holiday, for he is coming out with inept statements as big as himself!

For the full article: http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Trio preparing intimidation action against Robert Murat

From: http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/archive...-accuse-les-mccann-d-avoir-un-accord-pou.html

Two British and a Spanish national, resident in Spain, were put under close surveillance by authorities after the interception of an electronic mail message with details of preparations for a trip to Praia da Luz for actions of intimidation against Robert Murat and his girlfriend Michaela Walczuch.

According to a source from the police, the trio are known in connection with Helping To Find Madeleine (HTFM), an organization created on the Internet to help the campaign launched by Kate and Gerry McCann after the disappearance of their daughter.

The three supporters, after taking note of the visit of multimillionaire Brian Kennedy in Praia da Luz for a meeting with Robert Murat, remained convinced that the British arguido would have vital information in case of missing Madeleine.

Contacted by telephone, a head of a HTFM confirmed that none of the three supporters has ever been a member of the organization, stressing that there would be only one male member in its ranks. According to the same official, the principal activity of HTFM would be distributing posters research Maddie.

After the fire criminal's car Sergey Malinka, a witness in the case of missing Madeleine and friend of Robert Murat, the police decided to keep the trio under surveillance, without conducting at the moment to any detention.

"We are dealing with three people, aged 20 to 34 years without known criminal history, at least in Spain, but who were heavily influenced by media coverage of the case," said the police spokesman stressing that the "the three persons have no direct or indirect link to the McCann couple."

Does anyone know if this is true? Is there any other mention of this so -called meeting between Kennedy and Murat? Why was Brian Kennedy and Murat having a meeting?? The fact that a filthy rich McCann benefactor has (any) ties to Murat seems more odd than the fact that 3 groupies want to interview him.

Wonder what the McCanns think of these unprofessional sleuths working the case?? I wonder if they are nervous?