Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

[Barnaby]

Hey guys, I can see what is happening here and please don;t take the bate. Make use of the ignore button. Trish, (Site owner) and the moderators have had some tough times lately and they will not be dealing with a lot of bickering. I believe the the rudeness and resent onslaught of a select few is an attempt to get the thread locked. I've seen it happen before. Ignore.

Agreed IW, I have ignored one for a long time now, will take your advice & ignore the rest! Like Colomon I am discouraged that Justice may not be done for a little girl who was so badly neglected at best & one tends to try to fight her corner!

I haven't had a chance to catch up with everything here but I just read over the Portugese news thread that Kate's brother Alexander was in Portugal with the McCann's. Was this before Maddie disappeared or did he come after to help the family? I just wondered why he wasn't considered part of the Tappas 9. Wow about David Payne and Jerry. That could explain alot.

Sorry I don't know if Alexander was there on May 3rd or not, that is a new name to me.
The story about David & Gerry is certainly disturbing in the extreme & could explain a lot! What despicable people!
Murder will out!

 

[colomom]

http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/

Good synopsis of Amaral's book....

 

[daffodil]

Hey guys, I can see what is happening here and please don;t take the bate. Make use of the ignore button. Trish, (Site owner) and the moderators have had some tough times lately and they will not be dealing with a lot of bickering. I believe the the rudeness and resent onslaught of a select few is an attempt to get the thread locked. I've seen it happen before. Ignore.

You couldnt be more wrong but do please ignore.

 

[Rhett]

I have just read the final report from the PJ. It said that Kate's DNA was on the window sill. I think that Kate accidentally killed her daughter or she believed that she would be blamed for whatever accident befell Madeleine. So, she lifted her daughter out of the window to someone waiting on the outside to dispose of her body. It would be nearly impossible for someone to crawl out the window with the child but it might not be impossible to pass a child through that window. Particulary if the child were immobilized (or dead).

 

[Ciara]

I was never really sure or not whether The McCanns harmed Madeleine or not but the presence of the DNA in that report has more or less sealed the deal for me now. I now think they are Guilty

 

[Ciara]

No evidence she is dead?

Cadaver dogs hitting on the spot where the blood odor dogs hit as well--and DNA traces of Madeleine as well.

Cadaver dogs hitting on the car trunk and keys, Kate's clothes, the toy.

That is not "no evidence" that is simply evidence April, you choose to not accept.

Hi Texana Its what you have written above that has finally convinced me of their guilt. I can find no other logical explanation for that stuff. I dont believe for a second that CuddleCat was brought to work with Kate and thats how the scent of dead bodies ended up on it. Thats just SO ridiculous.

 

[Texana]

April,

The DNA match was not conclusive to Madeleine but did not rule her out, was my understanding. !5 out of 19 markers that tied to her?

I have been at a seminar all day but I'll go back and re-read the report for a second time to make sure.

 

[Ciara]

April,

The DNA match was not conclusive to Madeleine but did not rule her out, was my understanding. !5 out of 19 markers that tied to her?

I have been at a seminar all day but I'll go back and re-read the report for a second time to make sure.

Even without the DNA though....what about the Cadaver dogs

 

[twinkiesmom]

I read the comments on the proud of the PJ blog....Someone seemed to think Madeleine may have died the night of the 2nd....Was she in the creche on May 3 at all? When was the last time she was sighted by a non Tapas member?

Also wondering if there was any tall furniture in the apartment she might have climbed and fallen? Or could she have gone out the window and hit her head on the stone wall outside?

 

[Barnaby]

I have just read the final report from the PJ. It said that Kate's DNA was on the window sill. I think that Kate accidentally killed her daughter or she believed that she would be blamed for whatever accident befell Madeleine. So, she lifted her daughter out of the window to someone waiting on the outside to dispose of her body. It would be nearly impossible for someone to crawl out the window with the child but it might not be impossible to pass a child through that window. Particulary if the child were immobilized (or dead).

That would be very possible Rhett!

I was never really sure or not whether The McCanns harmed Madeleine or not but the presence of the DNA in that report has more or less sealed the deal for me now. I now think they are Guilty

Me also, I thought it from the beginning.

Hi Texana Its what you have written above that has finally convinced me of their guilt. I can find no other logical explanation for that stuff. I dont believe for a second that CuddleCat was brought to work with Kate and thats how the scent of dead bodies ended up on it. Thats just SO ridiculous.

Totally ridiculous Ciara, in fact laughable, such a pathetic lie!

April,

The DNA match was not conclusive to Madeleine but did not rule her out, was my understanding. !5 out of 19 markers that tied to her?

I have been at a seminar all day but I'll go back and re-read the report for a second time to make sure.

15 is pretty high, so strange that the retest result was different, was the sample interferred with?

Even without the DNA though....what about the Cadaver dogs

Exactly! Keela, the blood dog, detected blood on a car in Northern Ireland even after it had been burned - the Attracta Harron murder!

 

[Barnaby]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=14

Expresso.pt, 24 July 2008, 18h00
http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen.pl?p=st...stories/375787

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com...d=1223&page=19 #280




McCanns sue Gonçalo Amaral

(quickly translated)

Kate and Gerry McCann are going to sue the ex-inspector Gonçalo Amaral, for moral damages relative to the publication of the book "The truth of the Lie, says SIC.

The TV station adds that some Portuguese media will also be sued by Madeleine's parents............................................"


Let's all of us make sure we buy the book & tell our friends far & wide to buy it, make sure it makes loads of money, just in case these monsters get money from this genuine man who I believe had the pursuit of justice for Madeleine at heart!

Brilliant 'get rich quick' they have going here! Sad pathetic lowlifes who loved their money so much they couldn't even put up a reward to get their own daughter back, but then of course they knew it was pointless didn't they? If they had a brain between them they would have done it just to deflect suspicion!

 

[Ciara]

Thanks for the response and the link Barnaby. Thats very interesting.
The McCanns make it so easy sometimes to dislike them.
Poor Madeleine, I wish she was found.

 

[Texana]

I read the comments on the proud of the PJ blog....Someone seemed to think Madeleine may have died the night of the 2nd....Was she in the creche on May 3 at all? When was the last time she was sighted by a non Tapas member?

Also wondering if there was any tall furniture in the apartment she might have climbed and fallen? Or could she have gone out the window and hit her head on the stone wall outside?

The issue of whether she was in the creche or not on May 3rd has been debated many times with different conclusions. Some people feel very strongly she was not present at all on Mary 3. It was not clearly stated in the report that she was seen on May 3 by the daycare workers. That would be an excellent question to ask, maybe one of the most important ones.

She could have fallen on the couch itself and hit her head on a tile floor, in the right place, such that, left unattended, she would have passed away. Falls from that distance are normally not fatal but with the right combination of location/injury/time they can be. My own younger daughter fell from about that distance, at about that age, onto a wooden fort floor, and the doctors definitely did not want to skip giving her an x-ray.

I don't think Madeleine could have opened the shutters on her own and fallen, but it's possible.

She seemed to me to have a personality that would be more likely to get out or try to get out on her own--based on Kate's "giving them her tuppence's worth" comment.

 

[Texana]

Oh, and good luck with that suing Amaral.

The McCanns admit themselves they left their children alone more than one night.

Clarence has been getting over confident in his ability to squash the truth.

 

[twinkiesmom]

The issue of whether she was in the creche or not on May 3rd has been debated many times with different conclusions. Some people feel very strongly she was not present at all on Mary 3. It was not clearly stated in the report that she was seen on May 3 by the daycare workers. That would be an excellent question to ask, maybe one of the most important ones.

She could have fallen on the couch itself and hit her head on a tile floor, in the right place, such that, left unattended, she would have passed away. Falls from that distance are normally not fatal but with the right combination of location/injury/time they can be. My own younger daughter fell from about that distance, at about that age, onto a wooden fort floor, and the doctors definitely did not want to skip giving her an x-ray.

I don't think Madeleine could have opened the shutters on her own and fallen, but it's possible.

She seemed to me to have a personality that would be more likely to get out or try to get out on her own--based on Kate's "giving them her tuppence's worth" comment.

It also dawned on me she might have pulled an item of furniture down on herself and been crushed/suffocated.....It seems to me that vacation condos are not always childproofed, nor do they normally have the same quality of furniture you would buy for yourself.

There was blood by the wardrobe....could she have pulled that down on herself?

 

[Texana]

It also dawned on me she might have pulled an item of furniture down on herself and been crushed/suffocated.....It seems to me that vacation condos are not always childproofed, nor do they normally have the same quality of furniture you would buy for yourself.

There was blood by the wardrobe....could she have pulled that down on herself?

Possibly, but not probably, unless there was a television inside and it became unbalanced, or she pulled out a drawer and tried to use it as a step stool. (common injury for children.)

I think the most likely scenario is climbing on the sofa and falling, in an effort to reach the window and call her parents. Kate and Gerry may very well have told her "we're very close, we will hear you."

We have never heard them say what they told the twins and Madeleine when they left, if they were still awake. Nor have we ever heard whether or not all children were actually sleeping.

 

[Barnaby]

McCanns’ detectives investigated


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=14


WOW! Thanks for posting Colomon!

 

[Piglitsmum]

I skim read most of that - very interesting - Much of what is revealed, e.g. the information about Dave, has not appeared in the British media, to my knowledge - very interesting, and probably quite telling... Thank you for posting! :clap:

 

[Texana]

I skim read most of that - very interesting - Much of what is revealed, e.g. the information about Dave, has not appeared in the British media, to my knowledge - very interesting, and probably quite telling... Thank you for posting! :clap:

It's not going to appear anytime soon, either. Clarence Mitchell has that locked down. You'll see that the McCanns are suing but you won't see what it's in the book--and I bet the report won't appear, either.

 

[Ciara]

They shouldnt be allowed to lock anything down and The McCanns have got some nerve sueing anyone