Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 24

[colomom]

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21416

See post 15 by Alpine Aster. I tried to post both these pics but couldn't so here they are together. Gerry's story with diagram from the Panorama programme & the drawing that tanner gave the PJ. Someone is lying & on this ocassion I don't think it is Gerry as Wilkins could contradict!

Edit: Perhaps someone could be so kind as to post the 2 pics together here as non members may not be able to see

& Gord don't bother asking my ID on the 3A's cos I don't post there only read!

Ask and you shall receive.....

------------------Jane Tanner's drawing---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Panorama diagram

 

[SleuthMom]

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21416

I registered on that site and only once I was able to enter and read. Now I use my username and password and it keeps saying is wrong. :waitasec:

 

[SleuthMom]

18:40
At 6.40pm one of the McCanns' friends, David Payne, went to their apartment and saw Mrs McCann playing happily with the children.

I wonder if he saw the THREE children.

 

[colomom]

no colomon - the sick part was those who transposed Gerry's and Kate's pictures onto the photo fits - whixh was what brought over from the 3's .

That was a particularly low .

You spend a lot of time over at the 3 As - what is your name there ?

First, the post was not directed to you and I would appreciate it if you would let April answer for herself.
Funny that you should assume to know what April is thinking....:waitasec:

The original posts read:

April, what are your thoughts (if you don't mind sharing them) with regards to the sketch of the couple that were with the little girl in the Dutch shop and its incredible resemblance to the Mc Canns.

(no reference to the "photoshop morphing")

To which April replied:

My thoughts SleuthMom
I thought they were a cruel and sick joke...just like the hate site they came from....the 3 arguidos....

What was "particularly low" gord? I really thought April failed to investigate fully and really believed that the "drawing" was a hoax.

I spend very little time on 3A's (only 31 posts) and usually only go there when the Proboards79 site tells me to check something out. Why in the world would you want to know what my screen name is over there?

Give me a good reason and I might tell you....

Your post seems threatening.

 

[colomom]

I registered on that site and only once I was able to enter and read. Now I use my username and password and it keeps saying is wrong. :waitasec:

Did you ever post? If not, that is the problem. About a month ago they asked that everyone make at least one post or they would delete the "inactive" screen names, as a precautionary measure.

 

[colomom]

That article is so disheartening, April! It doesn't look like they even tried to look for Madeleine. LE wanted a quick fix to the situation. They didn't want to find a little girl. They wanted a conviction!

So, Metodo3 is out and a new group of international investigators is in! I hope they do a better job!

If this statement was accurate then Robert Murat would be in jail!

 

[SleuthMom]

Did you ever post? If not, that is the problem. About a month ago they asked that everyone make at least one post or they would delete the "inactive" screen names, as a precautionary measure.

No, I haven't but I joined just recently not even a week ago. They delete it fast.

 

[SleuthMom]

If this statement was accurate then Robert Murat would be in jail!

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[SleuthMom]

I spend very little time on 3A's (only 31 posts) and usually only go there when the Proboards79 site tells me to check something out.

You shouldn't have to explain at all Colomom. If you want to spend 24/7 over there is your business! :blowkiss:

 

[Barnaby]

Ask and you shall receive.....

------------------Jane Tanner's drawing---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Panorama diagram

Thanks Colomon, I knew I could rely on you

I registered on that site and only once I was able to enter and read. Now I use my username and password and it keeps saying is wrong. :waitasec:

The 3A's had a serious attack recently, they are very wary now.

 

[SleuthMom]

The 3A's had a serious attack recently, they are very wary now.

I won't be surprised. I will have to join again and post to keep my account active.

 

[lonetraveler]

It is pitiful when you start comparing any case to the Caylee Anthony case. If the dogs alerting on a cadaver scent on the Anthony Case is being used to compare to the scenting the Maddie McCann case then you are really grasping at straws. I have investigated the validity of the dogs who scented on Madeline McCann case and believe that it is highly unlikely that the dogs were wrong. IMO of course. I also believe that the two separate dogs were correct in their scenting in the Caylee Anthony Case. Two separate dogs were used to validate the first dog's scenting and they both had the same results. Can you explain that??? I personally don't think that the dogs lied on the Anthony case and the McCann case.

 

[Texana]

If anyone discounts the dogs' alerting entirely, it would involve three logical leaps:

1) assuming that the two highly trained, "top dogs" that presumably come with top fees, would make the first mistake of their careers, on Madeleine McCann. Possible, not probable.

2) assuming that the dogs would make a cadaver alert when there is a missing child, that the child must be alive, ergo, the dogs are wrong. That seems to be the crux of the argument here--that if the dogs' actions are validated, then the child must be dead. No one wants to admit that, so we invalidate the dogs rather than face the hard truth that the missing child might be dead.

3) since the dogs' alerting is the only evidence, absent a body in either case, then the dogs must be wrong, if courts don't accept the dogs' alerting as sole evidence.

How illogical is that? .No body has been found, there's not enough evidence to take to trial, so the dogs must be wrong.

A more reasonable solution is that the dogs might be wrong, but it's not enough evidence to take any one person to trial. With so many people having access to the apartment and to Caylee's grandparents' home, seizing on any one person (s) to indict is impossible without more concrete evidence.

Bottom line, evidence of death need not equate evidence for trial.

 

[april4sky]

First, the post was not directed to you and I would appreciate it if you would let April answer for herself.
Funny that you should assume to know what April is thinking....:waitasec:

The original posts read:

April, what are your thoughts (if you don't mind sharing them) with regards to the sketch of the couple that were with the little girl in the Dutch shop and its incredible resemblance to the Mc Canns.

(no reference to the "photoshop morphing")

To which April replied:

My thoughts SleuthMom
I thought they were a cruel and sick joke...just like the hate site they came from....the 3 arguidos....

What was "particularly low" gord? I really thought April failed to investigate fully and really believed that the "drawing" was a hoax.

I spend very little time on 3A's (only 31 posts) and usually only go there when the Proboards79 site tells me to check something out. Why in the world would you want to know what my screen name is over there?

Give me a good reason and I might tell you....

Your post seems threatening.

Well just to clear up any confusion in your mind colomom...Gord was spot on in regards to "Aprils" thoughts.
In regards to the morphing of the picture...make no mistake I think it takes a mindless moron to use a families tragedy in a sick joke in order to feel good about themselves. :crazy: :crazy:
And it was Nooooo surprise that you found it on the 3 arguidos....a sick joke from a sick site. :crazy::crazy:

How the Madeleine McCann Story Was Hijacked By web Trolls

http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-editor/185371.html

The 3 Arguidos site is probably the strongest of the allegedly Madeleine McCann dedicated sites. I have no access to it nor seek any since it regularly appears to be an outrageous vipers nest of sad people, many of whom have had brief cyber-existences here. It has attracted an interesting group of supporters and helpers and we should genuinely wish them well. They are the Jerry Springer end of the coverage.

 

[Texana]

I'm waiting for a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would say publicly "We don't row, we've never rowed" and then say she slept in another room on vacation because they rowed--because Gerry wasn't paying enough attention to her.

It's a definite untruth on Kate's part. So why?

And yes, I think all untruths matter. We are thinking creatures, we do things for a purpose.

Why did Kate say "we never row" when she knew she'd already admitted they had rowed? Did she think it would never become public? Did she think it would hurt donations to the Fund, and so, for the greater cause, it was worth a lie?

 

[april4sky]

I'm waiting for a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would say publicly "We don't row, we've never rowed" and then say she slept in another room on vacation because they rowed--because Gerry wasn't paying enough attention to her.

It's a definite untruth on Kate's part. So why?

And yes, I think all untruths matter. We are thinking creatures, we do things for a purpose.

Why did Kate say "we never row" when she knew she'd already admitted they had rowed? Did she think it would never become public? Did she think it would hurt donations to the Fund, and so, for the greater cause, it was worth a lie?

Did they row?

I thought Gerry was unaware as to why she decided to sleep in the childrens room!

I think you are trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[ThoughtFox]

It is pitiful when you start comparing any case to the Caylee Anthony case. If the dogs alerting on a cadaver scent on the Anthony Case is being used to compare to the scenting the Maddie McCann case then you are really grasping at straws. I have investigated the validity of the dogs who scented on Madeline McCann case and believe that it is highly unlikely that the dogs were wrong. IMO of course. I also believe that the two separate dogs were correct in their scenting in the Caylee Anthony Case. Two separate dogs were used to validate the first dog's scenting and they both had the same results. Can you explain that??? I personally don't think that the dogs lied on the Anthony case and the McCann case.

Thanks for your post - I totally agree.

Since I've been on Websleuths, I've never read about a case in which the dogs were wrong. Sometimes they are "inconclusive" but usually if they respond to a scent, it is not a dirty diaper or rotten food, as the McCanns would like us to believe.

In the Danielle Van Dam case, a dog hit on the trailer where she was killed, and even though the body wasn't in there anymore the dogs were right. Danielle's body was later found dumped out in the country, and the suspects clothes had her blood and hair on them. That case more than any other convinced about the validity of cadaver dogs.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I'm waiting for a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would say publicly "We don't row, we've never rowed" and then say she slept in another room on vacation because they rowed--because Gerry wasn't paying enough attention to her.

It's a definite untruth on Kate's part. So why?

And yes, I think all untruths matter. We are thinking creatures, we do things for a purpose.

Why did Kate say "we never row" when she knew she'd already admitted they had rowed? Did she think it would never become public? Did she think it would hurt donations to the Fund, and so, for the greater cause, it was worth a lie?

My sister was almost killed by her husband on numerous occasions, but it wasn't until he almost killed one of their children did she ever come clean and have him arrested...then divorced. Before that, they seemed the perfect family with the nice big house, nice cars, expensive vacations and every excuse imaginable for any bruises, or cancellations for visits. In my sisters case, she was in denial. She was addicted to her lifestyle, and took her beatings in exchange for shopping sprees at Saks Fifth Avenue & Tivol. The only difference between her and Kate that I can see is she loved her kids more than her husbands lifestyle.

ETA: I don't know if Gerry ever beat Kate, probably not. My point is, my sister had everyone believing they had a perfect life and never fought...but they did...and it was serious. She wanted the perfect life and pretended to have it.

 

[april4sky]

That article is so disheartening, April! It doesn't look like they even tried to look for Madeleine. LE wanted a quick fix to the situation. They didn't want to find a little girl. They wanted a conviction!

So, Metodo3 is out and a new group of international investigators is in! I hope they do a better job!

I think your right Claycat. It's becoming obvious now we're learning what's in the report.
It shows much more than incompetence by the PJ. IMO

They may have just been incompetent at the beginning but it became much more than that as the report shows.

They deliberately misused and outright lied about the reports they received regarding both the dogs and the DNA.

Also in the report.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4493335.ece
The police approach was also clear in their treatment of forensic evidence. On September 3, John Lowe, a scientist from the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service, informed detectives that a sample taken from the McCanns’ Renault Scenic hire car had 15 out of 19 of Madeleine’s DNA components.
However, he also urged caution, warning that the result was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”. That qualification was ignored. The case files show that days later the Portuguese police attempted to extract a confession from Gerry by insisting Madeleine’s DNA had been found in the boot of the car.

I think for the PJ it became more about clearing this case and sadly less about finding Madeleiene.

They had to hide their incompetence somehow!! And if her parents had to be sacrificed for that aim...so be it.

 

[SleuthMom]

Well just to clear up any confusion in your mind colomom...Gord was spot on in regards to "Aprils" thoughts.
In regards to the morphing of the picture...make no mistake I think it takes a mindless moron to use a families tragedy in a sick joke in order to feel good about themselves. :crazy: :crazy:
And it was Nooooo surprise that you found it on the 3 arguidos....a sick joke from a sick site. :crazy::crazy:

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April, you still haven't said what you think about the REAL sketch and its resemblance to the Mc Canns. Thanks.