Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

[MENDEL]

Another point of interest is Tiziano Ilg's statement. Even though the guy can be nuts again, he states he hired CB at his restaurant weeks after May 3, 2007 and this is factual.

Maddie suspect's ex-boss claimed 'we all know' what happened to missing tot

 

[Newthoughts]

What advantage does it confer then?



Again, I doubt this is some kind of clever tactic to keep the evidence from the defence. They simply don't have enough evidence to confront the defence with.

What however remains odd, is to publicly claim CB is guilty of murder, despite lacking such evidence.

Frankly, extraordinary. I struggle to come up with a formulation where conviction of guilt is so high, despite lacking evidence to charge.

it is a huge contradiction just like FF says.

I am wondering if it is something technical, like their evidence is inadmissible for some reason.

I'd have said extra time is always advantageous. It might allow them to undertake time consuming tests on soil from the dig for example. It allows them to investigate new leads. Especially if, as you suggest, what they have in inadmissable for some reason.

I also don't think someone capable of doing what CB has allegedly done would only have done it once. There are other less high profile missing children to investigate. Each new lead brings something else to the surface. It could be MM is just part of a bigger picture.

I don't think it's a ploy to keep defence in the dark. I think they know that once he is charged the clock starts ticking. He's not a danger where he is

 

[Newthoughts]

What advantage does it confer then?



Again, I doubt this is some kind of clever tactic to keep the evidence from the defence. They simply don't have enough evidence to confront the defence with.

What however remains odd, is to publicly claim CB is guilty of murder, despite lacking such evidence.

Frankly, extraordinary. I struggle to come up with a formulation where conviction of guilt is so high, despite lacking evidence to charge.

it is a huge contradiction just like FF says.

I am wondering if it is something technical, like their evidence is inadmissible for some reason.

I'd have said extra time is always advantageous. It might allow them to undertake time consuming tests on soil from the dig for example. It allows them to investigate new leads. Especially if, as you suggest, what they have in inadmissable for some reason.

I also don't think someone capable of doing what CB has allegedly done would only have done it once. There are other less high profile missing children to investigate. Each new lead brings something else to the surface. It could be MM is just part of a bigger picture.

I don't think it's a ploy to keep defence in the dark. I think they know that once he is charged the clock starts ticking. He's not a danger where he is

 

[Chiatos]

@SuperdadV8

HB has delared: Bis 2021 bin ich auf Bewährung
What does that mean exactly? Is he on parole till 2021? Does that mean that he has to report to police every now and then?
Does it entail anything else or anything more?

 

[SuperdadV8]

@SuperdadV8

HB has delared: Bis 2021 bin ich auf Bewährung
What does that mean exactly? Is he on parole till 2021? Does that mean that he has to report to police every now and then?
Does it entail anything else or anything more?

He told to SY that he was sentenced to 7 years and 3 months and greece police cought him in 2015. He was imprisoned in Crete until April the 12th of 2017. The rest of his conviction has been given him on parole until 2021.

Due to the fact, that his trial and sentence has been made in greece, i can't give any info about his terms of parole, sorry.

 

[enjy15]

Perhaps controversially, if I am FF, and CB is ever charged, I would be producing the dog evidence in Court. It's like a prepack defence, placing a high evidential burden on the prosecution to dispose of it.

This is my greatest interest in the case. How will HCW prove death, but also disprove competing theories, of which there have been so many.

How is death proved with no forensics and no body?

In other no body cases, the police usually had some forensics.

I think this is why they are taking so long to charge as if they take him to court on the circumstantial evidence then FF will probably bring in the McCann’s as his counter argument. They need something that makes it 100% clear that CB abducted MM and murdered her, without question. If not it will be a long court case which may backfire on them. FF has been taking to GA so no doubt he wouldn’t hesitate to throw the McCann’s under.

 

[Chiatos]

Barragem de Santa Clara;
Es ist ein sehr unerschlossenes Gebiet und deshalb irgendwie Paradies für viele sesshaft gewordene Hippies und deren nun schon erwachsene Kinder die wiederum Nachwuchs in die örtliche Gesellschaft eingliedern.
Barragem de Santa Clara

 

[Pixie Child]

Perhaps controversially, if I am FF, and CB is ever charged, I would be producing the dog evidence in Court. It's like a prepack defence, placing a high evidential burden on the prosecution to dispose of it.

This is my greatest interest in the case. How will HCW prove death, but also disprove competing theories, of which there have been so many.

How is death proved with no forensics and no body?

In other no body cases, the police usually had some forensics.

It’s the cumulative effect of character, confession & circumstantial evidence - hopefully with mobile phone evidence. The Judge will be invited to conclude that due to CB’s various confessional statements, his presence near the scene, his interest in child and no trace of MM, that CB killed her.

FF can call GA but HCW can produce the PJ report re parents and evidence from PJ & SY that every paedo & every lead were chased down.

In ‘no body’ cases, adults are assumed dead if they haven’t used bank cards or called their family. Here they will have to argue every sighting was chased down.

Past character evidence would be deemed prejudicial for a Jury but presumably, this issue won’t arise in front of a Judge.

 

[BIZCOCHO]

Procurador alemão garante à RTP que há provas materiais de que Madeleine McCann está morta

"Sexta às 9" Preview
Interview with HCW/ Abuse of German girl in Praia da Salema / Ladies from Praia da Galé talk about CB's teeth.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Procurador alemão garante à RTP que há provas materiais de que Madeleine McCann está morta

"Sexta às 9" Preview
Interview with HCW/ Abuse of German girl in Praia da Salema / Ladies from Praia da Galé talk about CB's teeth.

Straight question, straight answer! Puh....

That's so sad! Never mentioned HCW that straight.

According to the circumstances, lack of forensic evidence, what else should it be, than some kind of footage.

The evidence-challenge should be the undeniable link to the suspect.

 

[enjy15]

Straight question, straight answer! Puh....

That's so sad! Never mentioned HCW that straight.

According to the circumstances, lack of forensic evidence, what else should it be, than some kind of footage.

The evidence-challenge should be the undeniable link to the suspect.

So annoying that when she asks "do you have video evidence of MM" he switches back to German,

I translated and his response was 'as for the evidence we have, we can't say anything. Therefore, I cannot confirm or disprove.'

He's denied previous claims of evidence, he has said there is no body (or parts of) and they have not found any of MM's clothes. Surely, it must be video evidence as he cannot confirm or deny as that is the evidence they have?

 

[SuperdadV8]

So annoying that when she asks "do you have video evidence of MM" he switches back to German,

I translated and his response was 'as for the evidence we have, we can't say anything. Therefore, I cannot confirm or disprove.'

He's denied previous claims of evidence, he has said there is no body (or parts of) and they have not found any of MM's clothes. Surely, it must be video evidence as he cannot confirm or deny as that is the evidence they have?

Of course, there should be footage.

 

[Dlk79]

So annoying that when she asks "do you have video evidence of MM" he switches back to German,

I translated and his response was 'as for the evidence we have, we can't say anything. Therefore, I cannot confirm or disprove.'

He's denied previous claims of evidence, he has said there is no body (or parts of) and they have not found any of MM's clothes. Surely, it must be video evidence as he cannot confirm or deny as that is the evidence they have?

IMO everything HCW has said thus far is consistent of having a video which shows proof of MM's death but does not clearly show CB. In one of the other interviews he was asked when they determined MM was dead and he stated it was in the last 2 years. This puts it at 2018, the year after they began investigating CB over MM. This finding in 2018, the material evidence he talks about in the Sexta 9 interview and the evidence they cannot reveal are likely one and the same.

Assuming it is a video they have, they must be able to link it to CB in some manner but in itself, that would not be enough for a conviction unless they can prove he actually made the video. If they can however prove he was in the vicinity that night, that would go a long way to helping the case. HCW said that's what they want to issue an arrest warrant and begin interviewing him, although more evidence would be required to ensure a conviction.

Ideally, they would like to find the body and clearly they believe this is possible based on whatever information/confessions has been shared with them so far. And it would seem the key to this is via criminal associates, as police clearly believe others are in the know about what actually happened.

 

[Tekno]

Procurador alemão garante à RTP que há provas materiais de que Madeleine McCann está morta

"Sexta às 9" Preview
Interview with HCW/ Abuse of German girl in Praia da Salema / Ladies from Praia da Galé talk about CB's teeth.

Given that CB had all sorts of costumes, wigs and props, is it possible that he might have used those to camouflage himself re. the Gail Cooper encounter with the charity collector and resultant e-fit? The teeth have always intrigued me.

 

[Dlk79]

Some previous comment from HCW and BKA which appear consistent with the video theory.

60 MINUTES AUSTRALIA
EXCLUSIVE: German prosecutors reveal new evidence in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

"We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her," Wolters told 60 Minutes.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."

Cryptically, prosecutor Wolters would neither confirm or deny if any of these videos contained evidence of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment, I'm not allowed to comment on that. So I'm not able to say if there are pictures or if there are no pictures of Madeleine," he said.

SKY NEWS
Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

"Basically, we need every information in that time period, where did he live, where did he work, to which places he had a special relationship, who were his friends and the people he knew.

"Who can tell us what the suspect's life was like, where has he been with his cars, who has been in his houses and can tell us what they look like from the inside. And we hope that maybe we find victims that maybe also got in these houses, victims of sexual crimes."

"People with a criminal background don't deal readily with the authorities, but I appeal to such friends of the suspect to tell anything they know.

"If they don't want to speak directly to police, then they can email the information anonymously, if that's the way to understanding what happened."

DAILY MIRROR
The 30-minute phone call police hope will finally solve Madeleine McCann mystery

Mr Wolters said: "At the moment if we interview the suspect he could say, ‘My girlfriend had my phone that night and I didn’t have it’.

"The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming that it was definitely Brückner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

"This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him — but we would also need more evidence."

BKA Appeal website
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...en/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html

There is also reason to assume that there are other people besides the perpetrator who have specific knowledge of the possible course of events and, if applicable, the location of the corpse. We expressly ask these people to get in touch and share their knowledge.

 

[Chiatos]

Procurador alemão garante à RTP que há provas materiais de que Madeleine McCann está morta

"Sexta às 9" Preview
Interview with HCW/ Abuse of German girl in Praia da Salema / Ladies from Praia da Galé talk about CB's teeth.

CB's teeth are at the centre of attention:

Procurador alemão garante à RTP que há provas materiais de que Madeleine McCann está morta

 

[Lilly b]

Some previous comment from HCW and BKA which appear consistent with the video theory.

60 MINUTES AUSTRALIA
EXCLUSIVE: German prosecutors reveal new evidence in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

"We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her," Wolters told 60 Minutes.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."

Cryptically, prosecutor Wolters would neither confirm or deny if any of these videos contained evidence of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment, I'm not allowed to comment on that. So I'm not able to say if there are pictures or if there are no pictures of Madeleine," he said.

SKY NEWS
Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

"Basically, we need every information in that time period, where did he live, where did he work, to which places he had a special relationship, who were his friends and the people he knew.

"Who can tell us what the suspect's life was like, where has he been with his cars, who has been in his houses and can tell us what they look like from the inside. And we hope that maybe we find victims that maybe also got in these houses, victims of sexual crimes."

"People with a criminal background don't deal readily with the authorities, but I appeal to such friends of the suspect to tell anything they know.

"If they don't want to speak directly to police, then they can email the information anonymously, if that's the way to understanding what happened."

DAILY MIRROR
The 30-minute phone call police hope will finally solve Madeleine McCann mystery

Mr Wolters said: "At the moment if we interview the suspect he could say, ‘My girlfriend had my phone that night and I didn’t have it’.

"The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming that it was definitely Brückner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

"This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him — but we would also need more evidence."

BKA Appeal website
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...en/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html

There is also reason to assume that there are other people besides the perpetrator who have specific knowledge of the possible course of events and, if applicable, the location of the corpse. We expressly ask these people to get in touch and share their knowledge.

I'm thinking that the video footage (if they have that) is filmed somewhere that they haven't located yet, and that's why they want to know about his past and everywhere he has been associated with, once that's discovered, then bingo, if you get my drift

 

[Anxala]

Another point of interest is Tiziano Ilg's statement. Even though the guy can be nuts again, he states he hired CB at his restaurant weeks after May 3, 2007 and this is factual.

Maddie suspect's ex-boss claimed 'we all know' what happened to missing tot

Two things here:

1. This is the Sun.

2. But more pertinently, there is nothing in that article to suggest that TI said CB was responsible for MM's disappearance. Here's what he allegedly said in 2016:

"It's time to stop looking and stop imagining. We all know."

That is ambiguous to say the absolute least. But most specifically, absolutely no mention whatsoever of CB.

The Sun appears to have made its typical tabloid leap that TI was referring to CB solely because CB happened to have worked at TI's restaurant in 2007, when the reality is, TI could have been referring to a whole other train of thought regarding MM's disappearance.

Additionally, CB was not a known quantity in 2016 so TI's weary 'We all know' is imo clearly referring to some longer and wider-held belief regarding MM's disappearance.

 

[mrjitty]

It’s the cumulative effect of character, confession & circumstantial evidence - hopefully with mobile phone evidence. The Judge will be invited to conclude that due to CB’s various confessional statements, his presence near the scene, his interest in child and no trace of MM, that CB killed her.

FF can call GA but HCW can produce the PJ report re parents and evidence from PJ & SY that every paedo & every lead were chased down.

In ‘no body’ cases, adults are assumed dead if they haven’t used bank cards or called their family. Here they will have to argue every sighting was chased down.

Past character evidence would be deemed prejudicial for a Jury but presumably, this issue won’t arise in front of a Judge.

What strikes me is difficult is you need proof of actual death, and proof of the illegal act by the accused that killed the victim.

So in this case you need some evidence that creates a strong inference of death, plus something that ties CB specifically to the victim.

 

[MENDEL]

Two things here:

1. This is the Sun.

2. But more pertinently, there is nothing in that article to suggest that TI said CB was responsible for MM's disappearance. Here's what he allegedly said in 2016:


That is ambiguous to say the absolute least. But most specifically, absolutely no mention whatsoever of CB.

The Sun appears to have made its typical tabloid leap that TI was referring to CB solely because CB happened to have worked at TI's restaurant in 2007, when the reality is, TI could have been referring to a whole other train of thought regarding MM's disappearance.

Additionally, CB was not a known quantity in 2016 so TI's weary 'We all know' is imo clearly referring to some longer and wider-held belief regarding MM's disappearance.

Of course that's nonsense. The most important part there is that TI hired CB weeks after May 3, 2007. So, things like for instance buying a Winnebago after MM's disappearance don't make much sense. They make much more sense after the 100.000€ robbery on November 1, 2007. Anyway, in September or October 2007 he flied from Lisbon to Germany to treat his teeth, something a waiter couldn't afford, because he had no Portuguese Social Security. Not a very well paid waiter perhaps. If he had no Portuguese Social Security then he was paid without any legal record.