Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[Okapi]

We will never know how many break ins there were. Just as we will never know how many children were abused as a result.

I'm not even sure if anyone in authority investigated whether or not there could have been any connection to the disappearance of a little blonde girl from her bed in a room where the only trace evidence was an open window.

The first time the break ins and assaults were mentioned in connection with MM was in 2013 at the launch of Operation Grange.

They really should have been looked at long before that when people such as EM and other burglars were a known presence and available to be questioned regarding their own activities and those others of the Luz criminal fraternity they may have been aware of.
My opinion

I agree Mex. The bedroom intrusions uncovered are only the ones we know about. And again, a very distinctive crime pattern in that place, which imo could plausibly be attributed to more than one perpetrator.

Young children on holiday abroad, everything new and different. If they saw a stranger in the apartment, maybe he reassured them he was staff, and they went back to sleep. Maybe they thought it was a dream. Maybe they were too young even to articulate it. It happened but their parents were none the wiser.

It may not have involved actual physical contact. A perpetrator lurking in the shadows of an apartment tending to his own furtive business is not so very different from lurking under a slide in a playground doing likewise, as CB did.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mex]

I agree Mex. The bedroom intrusions uncovered are only the ones we know about. And again, a very distinctive crime pattern in that place, which imo could plausibly be attributed to more than one perpetrator.

Young children on holiday abroad, everything new and different. If they saw a stranger in the apartment, maybe he reassured them he was staff, and they went back to sleep. Maybe they thought it was a dream. Maybe they were too young even to articulate it. It happened but their parents were none the wiser.

It may not have involved actual physical contact. A perpetrator lurking in the shadows of an apartment tending to his own furtive business is not so very different from lurking under a slide in a playground doing likewise, as CB did.

Just my opinion.

I think the home invasions exactly mirror the intrusion into apartment 5a in so many aspects. Sometimes something was taken, sometimes not.
There didn't seem to be any evidence of forced entry. Sometimes a child was abused, sometimes not but on at least one occasion the abuse took place with another child or children in the room and sometimes more than one child was assaulted.
Snip
Police said the suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up, and said he remained calm, even when disturbed.

DCI R said today that tracing the man is one of his priority lines of inquiry.

He said: 'We need to establish the identity of this man - these offences are very serious and no-one has been charged in connection with them.'

Madeleine McCann police hunt 'lone intruder who sexually abused five British girls at holiday homes in the Algarve between 2004 to 2010'

Officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of the British toddler from Praia da Luz in Portugal in 2007 issued a new appeal for information today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I can see the importance of doing that. Unfortunately I can also see how apparently futile the search for answers regarding MM could have been and why lesser investigators might have thrown in the towel at that stage.
The offences occurred prior to 2007 and here they were just being investigated as a whole in 2013.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think the home invasions exactly mirror the intrusion into apartment 5a in so many aspects. Sometimes something was taken, sometimes not.
There didn't seem to be any evidence of forced entry. Sometimes a child was abused, sometimes not but on at least one occasion the abuse took place with another child or children in the room and sometimes more than one child was assaulted.
Snip
Police said the suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up, and said he remained calm, even when disturbed.

DCI R said today that tracing the man is one of his priority lines of inquiry.

He said: 'We need to establish the identity of this man - these offences are very serious and no-one has been charged in connection with them.'

Madeleine McCann police hunt 'lone intruder who sexually abused five British girls at holiday homes in the Algarve between 2004 to 2010'

Officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of the British toddler from Praia da Luz in Portugal in 2007 issued a new appeal for information today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I can see the importance of doing that. Unfortunately I can also see how apparently futile the search for answers regarding MM could have been and why lesser investigators might have thrown in the towel at that stage.
The offences occurred prior to 2007 and here they were just being investigated as a whole in 2013.

It's clear that OG then went after the three locals, one ventures at least one might have met the criteria, how wrong that turned out to be.

 

[RichardKimble]

Media mix regurgitation.

The case has attracted that since 2007, there is nothing solid that is known apart from Madeleines reported disappearance @ circa 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007 save from occaisional official press releases, which include the announcement of a prime suspect.
All manner of speculative press releases about strange blonde haired men,smelly, egg face,pot bellied, (take your pick for a suspect.) as not advanced the case one inch.
A plethora of not reported, investigated crimes some how adds to a figure of 28 on Netflix.
What can be said about CB is that he has convictions for, child offences, diesel theft, drugs, rape, all in all a pretty despicable individual, does it make him a killer, despite the convictions of HCW, who knows but the evidence to convict seems out of reach.

At the moment CB is not even facing charges into serious sex crimes because we are led to believe a judicial oversight into where the suspects residence is, is disputed,(seriously).

 

[Okapi]

The case has attracted that since 2007, there is nothing solid that is known apart from Madeleines reported disappearance @ circa 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007 save from occaisional official press releases, which include the announcement of a prime suspect.
All manner of speculative press releases about strange blonde haired men,smelly, egg face,pot bellied, (take your pick for a suspect.) as not advanced the case one inch.
A plethora of not reported, investigated crimes some how adds to a figure of 28 on Netflix.
What can be said about CB is that he has convictions for, child offences, diesel theft, drugs, rape, all in all a pretty despicable individual, does it make him a killer, despite the convictions of HCW, who knows but the evidence to convict seems out of reach.

At the moment CB is not even facing charges into serious sex crimes because we are led to believe a judicial oversight into where the suspects residence is, is disputed,(seriously).

I’ve wondered how much of the suspension is down to federal squabbles over which investigation to prioritise, as much as the residency dispute.

‘Magdeburg’s prosecutors have argued that the crimes took place on their patch, meaning they have a higher jurisdictional claim than Brauncschweig does.

‘The move would give control to a prosecution office that has been much more focused on the hunt for Inga Gehricke, the missing girl who has been called “Germany’s Maddie.”’

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co...istian-brueckner-kidnapping-legal-row-4152799


On the subject of another residency debate, this has intrigued me. An interview with the lawyer who represented CB for the fuel theft.

‘Mr Vieira said the German was held on remand for eight months because he refused to give his address in court.
‘He was living in a rented ramshackle farmhouse in the hills outside Praia da Luz at the time of his arrest.

‘But in court he claimed to live in a camper van at a German-owned scrap yard in the hamlet of Barrocal.’


Madeleine McCann suspect's ex-lawyer believes he is guilty of taking her


Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer fears he 'may be behind her disappearance'


Was it ever established why CB withheld his address in that court case? Not expecting you personally to know that Richard! Just asking generally.

 

[Mex]

It's clear that OG then went after the three locals, one ventures at least one might have met the criteria, how wrong that turned out to be.

Logically that would have been a step to take but not until another year in the elimination and investigative process had passed and not without its frustrations.

Snip (from the link posted this morning)
Mr R's team currently have 38 people classed as 'persons of interest' to the inquiry, and are also sifting through details of 530 known sex offenders whose whereabouts they cannot account for.
Of those 59 are classed as high priority, and some of those are British.

British investigators have so far sent three international letters of request to Portuguese authorities over the investigation, covering 41 priority areas for the team, involving 287 separate requests.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner M H showed his anger at the slow pace of the legal process, saying: 'That's causing us frustration because we know what we want to do and we are ready to go with that. But the process is the process.'
From the Mail 19 March 2014
MM police hunt 'lone intruder who sexually abused five British girls at holiday homes in the Algarve between 2004 to 2010'
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No doubt they filled their time prior to questioning the Portuguese persons of interest by questioning any of the 59 high priority POI British ones they could in their all encompassing inquiries. Quite obviously all were eliminating leaving officers free to progress to the next stage of the operation.

 

[Mex]

The case has attracted that since 2007, there is nothing solid that is known apart from Madeleines reported disappearance @ circa 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007 save from occaisional official press releases, which include the announcement of a prime suspect.
All manner of speculative press releases about strange blonde haired men,smelly, egg face,pot bellied, (take your pick for a suspect.) as not advanced the case one inch.
A plethora of not reported, investigated crimes some how adds to a figure of 28 on Netflix.
What can be said about CB is that he has convictions for, child offences, diesel theft, drugs, rape, all in all a pretty despicable individual, does it make him a killer, despite the convictions of HCW, who knows but the evidence to convict seems out of reach.

At the moment CB is not even facing charges into serious sex crimes because we are led to believe a judicial oversight into where the suspects residence is, is disputed,(seriously).

I agree that in many instances the role of the press regarding the MM case has been nothing short of diabolical.

But that is mainly due to the press and absolutely not the fault of MM or other victims of crime.

 

[Mex]

I’ve wondered how much of the suspension is down to federal squabbles over which investigation to prioritise, as much as the residency dispute.

‘Magdeburg’s prosecutors have argued that the crimes took place on their patch, meaning they have a higher jurisdictional claim than Brauncschweig does.

‘The move would give control to a prosecution office that has been much more focused on the hunt for Inga Gehricke, the missing girl who has been called “Germany’s Maddie.”’

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co...istian-brueckner-kidnapping-legal-row-4152799


On the subject of another residency debate, this has intrigued me. An interview with the lawyer who represented CB for the fuel theft.

‘Mr Vieira said the German was held on remand for eight months because he refused to give his address in court.
‘He was living in a rented ramshackle farmhouse in the hills outside Praia da Luz at the time of his arrest.

‘But in court he claimed to live in a camper van at a German-owned scrap yard in the hamlet of Barrocal.’


Madeleine McCann suspect's ex-lawyer believes he is guilty of taking her


Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer fears he 'may be behind her disappearance'


Was it ever established why CB withheld his address in that court case? Not expecting you personally to know that Richard! Just asking generally.

I think he was living in the farmhouse at the time. Giving his address would have been giving the police access to a considerable amount of evidence. He did ask his friends to clear it for him which they did and between that and the innocent efforts of neighbours goodness knows what was disposed of.
But it was important enough for him that he did jail time to hide its existence.
My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree that in many instances the role of the press regarding the MM case has been nothing short of diabolical.

But that is mainly due to the press and absolutely not the fault of MM or other victims of crime.

I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise,

 

[Okapi]

I think he was living in the farmhouse at the time. Giving his address would have been giving the police access to a considerable amount of evidence. He did ask his friends to clear it for him which they did and between that and the innocent efforts of neighbours goodness knows what was disposed of.
But it was important enough for him that he did jail time to hide its existence.
My opinion

Thanks for that. I did wonder if the intention was to conceal his German crimes from the Portuguese authorities and vice versa. Just my thoughts.

 

[Tekno]

I think it came from the Spiegel docs that came out in 2020 when CB work pal B gave an interview , he had a flat at the same complex as Momo .

Who is Momo, please JB?

 

[RichardKimble]

It's a pity we can't quote the Sun, there's an absolute gem of an "exclusive" on where they've been told which way the investigation into CB is going.

 

[mrjitty]

It all feels like fanfic at this stage.

Having thought more on his BILD exclusive, I am especially sceptical about the witness Helge B when police have had access to this witness for 5 years. Seems unlikely he holds any new key to the case.

I wonder if anything much will happen over summer ....

 

[RichardKimble]

It all feels like fanfic at this stage.

Having thought more on his BILD exclusive, I am especially sceptical about the witness Helge B when police have had access to this witness for 5 years. Seems unlikely he holds any new key to the case.

I wonder if anything much will happen over summer ....

I don't think much will happen for awhile,HeB had his 15 minutes for now, if the Judiciary shut for summer recess then the jurisdiction thing won't be sorted until early Autumn imo.

 

[Consider Dudley]

It's a pity we can't quote the Sun, there's an absolute gem of an "exclusive" on where they've been told which way the investigation into CB is going.

anonymous sources in Portugal blabbing to the Sun? What a shame we can’t quote what is no doubt entirely accurate and reliable!

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The case has attracted that since 2007, there is nothing solid that is known apart from Madeleines reported disappearance @ circa 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007 save from occaisional official press releases, which include the announcement of a prime suspect.
All manner of speculative press releases about strange blonde haired men,smelly, egg face,pot bellied, (take your pick for a suspect.) as not advanced the case one inch.
A plethora of not reported, investigated crimes some how adds to a figure of 28 on Netflix.
What can be said about CB is that he has convictions for, child offences, diesel theft, drugs, rape, all in all a pretty despicable individual, does it make him a killer, despite the convictions of HCW, who knows but the evidence to convict seems out of reach.

At the moment CB is not even facing charges into serious sex crimes because we are led to believe a judicial oversight into where the suspects residence is, is disputed,(seriously).

And imagine what we could even not know, by now, about him...
But BKA (although too late), finally, went on him and hope they can keep him in for decades to not say worse.

"Minor crimes" (none should be) cannot make him a killer...

Again, in Sexta às 9, an apprehensive FF suggested the same and SF questioned HCW about this gap. How they say he did it if he does not have a record as murderer?
HCW referred it as a puzzle of many pieces (he mentioned the phone number, OC's phone mast, phone call). If it would have been only a possibility they would not have proceed with the appeal in the media, even because they didn't want to kill MCs hope or eventually deviates the scope of the investigation.

In the same interview, HCW confirmed (two times yes) they have material
evidence that MM is dead. The investigation lead to no other option that CB is the murderer.

IMO what is now known about him and his behavior, profile, intentions/appetite, escapes, "clean-ups", bury things, can't even make it strange if it was not his first time (murderer) with MM...

I prefer to believe in the auto-involvement and all BKA investigation work. Would they risk a worlwide exposition to then it could drop to "masochism, auto-phagia" and auto-destruction of reputation?!
I'm not really seeing this scenario.

 

[RichardKimble]

And imagine what we could even not know, by now, about him...
But BKA (although too late), finally, went on him and hope they can keep him in for decades to not say worse.

"Minor crimes" (none should be) cannot make him a killer...

Again, in Sexta às 9, an apprehensive FF suggested the same and SF questioned HCW about this gap. How they say he did it if he does not have a record as murderer?
HCW referred it as a puzzle of many pieces (he mentioned the phone number, OC's phone mast, phone call). If it would have been only a possibility they would not have proceed with the appeal in the media, even because they didn't want to kill MCs hope or eventually deviates the scope of the investigation.

In the same interview, HCW confirmed (two times yes) they have material
evidence that MM is dead. The investigation lead to no other option that CB is the murderer.

IMO what is now known about him and his behavior, profile, intentions/appetite, escapes, "clean-ups", bury things, can't even make it strange if it was not his first time (murderer) with MM...

I prefer to believe in the auto-involvement and all BKA investigation work. Would they risk a worlwide exposition to then it could drop to "masochism, auto-phagia" and auto-destruction of reputation?!
I'm not really seeing this scenario.

Material evidence lends itself to an object, we know there is no body, we know there are no forensics,ie clothing, HCW has told us that , some argue that can only leave a image of some description .We've been through it before .Reports indicate there was nothing of substance found at the recent searches,its at an impasse imo HCW and the BKA declaring one thing and then proving it seem out of reach.

Madeleine is a gift that keeps giving and the press will leach onto it it'll keep rolling along you only need tune into the UK now to see what is happening and sample the press scramble over a TV presenter and photos.

 

[Lyall0814]

It's a pity we can't quote the Sun, there's an absolute gem of an "exclusive" on where they've been told which way the investigation into CB is going.

Interesting that the same paper also had an article about the Charlene Downes case, in which the police and prosecution were so convinced they knew who was guilty they totally lost touch with rationality. British police and prosecutors of course. Not Portuguese. Something similar may have happened in Braunschweig. Jmo of course.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Likewise we can find examples of hundreds of cases where lengthy police investigations resulted in successful prosecutions of the right suspect. None of them however are reliable indicators of what is happening in this case.

 

[Mex]

Interesting that the same paper also had an article about the Charlene Downes case, in which the police and prosecution were so convinced they knew who was guilty they totally lost touch with rationality. British police and prosecutors of course. Not Portuguese. Something similar may have happened in Braunschweig. Jmo of course.

At the moment all we have are opinions because there is no definitive evidence available to us at the moment, whether proven or unproven.

This would not have happened had CB faced trial for the five serious offences for which the Braunschweig prosecutors indicted him.

CB was an itinerant about whom little is really known. Not even the circumstances surrounding his sojourn in the Algarve including his bases in Luz the existence of which can be subject to question if the German precedent is followed.

CB remains the prime suspect in the murder of a little girl. Seldom can there have been such a surge of opprobrium for those building an evidence based case against such a person as this abuser and rapist is.
Quite extraordinary indeed.

My opinion