Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[frank-cole]

Ok

Bit of a double edged sword me thinks, I'm wondering if HCW considers the legal team of CB in any regard, if the testimony of CBs previous alleged mates is called into question then its possible that the MM case allegedly initially based on the evidence of them is called into question.IMO without remains its likely dead in the water.
What ever HCW has is important, but maybe not has important of what he's not got.

Ok. If for example they have pictures corroborated by online or written confessions, would that be enough evidence to convince you CB is responsible?

*IMO, that would be far more incriminating & credible than any other piece of evidence or information relating to this case.

 

[Mex]

Unless CB's friend had access to police files which held the record of the evidence from and the full investigation into the DM rape and torture, he had to have seen it all happen on the video he stole from CB.

His evidence was corroborated to the satisfaction of the court. That is - he told it to the police before they checked it from the Portuguese police files which makes him a reliable witness.
My opinion

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Ok

Ok. If for example they have pictures corroborated by online or written confessions, would that be enough evidence to convince you CB is responsible?

*IMO, that would be far more incriminating & credible than any other piece of evidence or information relating to this case.

IMO, photos add credibility to other circumstantial evidence - witness statements, web chats, Das Buch etc. If images exist then this secondary evidence is more reliable.

So if photos of MM were found in CB’s possession and can be linked to him then I would believe he is responsible.

I just don’t think this is the way the investigation has played out. It’s almost certain that this evidence (if it exists) was available to the BKA prior to the appeal so why haven’t they charged in the last three years. Really, if they have images and a written confession, it’s surely enough to charge.

 

[RichardKimble]

Ok

Ok. If for example they have pictures corroborated by online or written confessions, would that be enough evidence to convince you CB is responsible?

*IMO, that would be far more incriminating & credible than any other piece of evidence or information relating to this case.

There is nothing with 100% certainty that links CB to MM, that is evident through lack of charges imo.

 

[frank-cole]

There is nothing with 100% certainty that links CB to MM, that is evident through lack of charges imo.

Ok. IMO it’s impossible to make that assumption without knowing the full facts. I think that they’ll prosecute the 5 linked cases & when they’re concluded they’ll make their move in the MM case. My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

Ok. IMO it’s impossible to make that assumption without knowing the full facts. I think that they’ll prosecute the 5 linked cases & when they’re concluded they’ll make their move in the MM case. My opinion

Wll agree to disagree, without the full facts it can't be said CB is involved , its only a suspicion despite what ever HCW has to say.

 

[Mex]

Wll agree to disagree, without the full facts it can't be said CB is involved , its only a suspicion despite what ever HCW has to say.

MM: CB declared formal suspect​

• Published
  22 April 2022
• Madeleine McCann disappearance

By Adam Durbin & Andre Rhoden-Paul
BBC News

A German man has been declared an official suspect by Portuguese prosecutors investigating the disappearance of MM.
CB, 45, has been made an "arguido", but Portuguese authorities have not formally revealed the suspect's name.
In 2020 German police announced they were investigating him in connection with MM's disappearance.
CB has not been charged and denies any involvement in the case.
German authorities informed him he was a suspect, at the request of Portuguese prosecutors in Faro.
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On Thursday, a statement was issued by prosecutors in Faro, Algarve's main city, who said a person was made an "arguido" - which translates as "named suspect", "formal suspect" or "person of interest" - a day earlier.
On 3 May it will be 15 years since MM was reported missing and under Portuguese law it would no longer be possible to declare someone a person of interest beyond this date. Declaring someone a person of interest is a necessary step to any criminal charges.
In its statement, though, Portugal's office of public prosecutions said the move was not driven by timing, but by "strong indications" of the practice of a crime.
________________________________________
Jim G, a former police officer who led a 2010 review of the case commissioned by the Home Office, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the case against CB was strong.
He said: "This seems like a really strong case and that's why I don't think it is a procedural tick in a box to make sure they don't miss out because of the statute of limitations.
"I think there's been a growing case and we should not underestimate the confidence of the German police."

The child protection expert claimed a phone attributed to the convicted rapist placed him in the area within a 30-minute window. He also said Brueckner had burgled holiday homes in the area and had children's clothes in his camper van.
He continued: "I think the circumstantial evidence that I know exists is extremely strong… I wouldn't be surprised if charges follow."

Madeleine McCann: Christian Brueckner declared formal suspect

Madeleine McCann has been missing for nearly 15 years after she disappeared, aged three, in Portugal.

www.bbc.co.uk

It should be remembered that not only do German prosecutors consider CB to be the prime suspect in MM's case, it is an opinion shared by SY and the PJ.
So criticism for action or inaction must be equally shared - it isn't all Germany's fault however much people think it is.

There is reasoning on the part of investigators apart from the fact the case is still being worked and evidence being checked out.

It is not for us to question why CB has not yet been charged. That knowledge belongs to the investigation and the decision will be theirs about what and when they do with it.
I'm sure they know exactly what they are doing.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

Wll agree to disagree, without the full facts it can't be said CB is involved , its only a suspicion despite what ever HCW has to say.

Ok. I think if it was a suspicion HCW wouldn’t state it as a fact. Our opinions are probably polar opposites. I think when the full facts emerge, you & I will think similarly. Unfortunately I expect that others certainly will not.

 

[frank-cole]

IMO, photos add credibility to other circumstantial evidence - witness statements, web chats, Das Buch etc. If images exist then this secondary evidence is more reliable.

So if photos of MM were found in CB’s possession and can be linked to him then I would believe he is responsible.

I just don’t think this is the way the investigation has played out. It’s almost certain that this evidence (if it exists) was available to the BKA prior to the appeal so why haven’t they charged in the last three years. Really, if they have images and a written confession, it’s surely enough to charge.

Fair point. I don’t think the investigation is at the ‘who-done-it’ phase, I think it surpassed that 5 years ago. I think their objective was to close off any potential counter arguments there could be (to their case). Judging by what’s been said, the most logical conclusion is that they have pictures or videos. HCW commented that if they ‘had a video of the act’ or a ‘A picture of MM with their suspect on camera’, they wouldn’t have needed to appeal. The problem with having a photo or video without the suspect in are the obvious defence arguments of ‘He had 20000 images & videos. How can you prove he didn’t obtain it like like he did with the 19500 other pictures & videos that don’t have him in’ & ‘he’s a fantasist, he’s written hundreds of things’.

That’s why, imo, they need him in the area that night. They have his phone in the area & there’s a witness who says they spotted him. Although any rational person would accept he was most likely using his own mobile phone & the witness did most likely see him, it’s not concrete enough for a court, imo.

IMO they’ve got him at the scene now but finding the caller would still help. They’ll want to eliminate the ‘accomplice’ card.

Fulscher loves a technicality, he’s evidently not as competent at winning the legal battles but leaving smalls areas of doubt &/or opportunities for technicality squabbles is something I highly expect the prosecution are tuned in to.

I think if we knew the evidence we’d easily come to the same conclusion as the BKA have. It’s just getting it court ready. I think they are ready but it would be senseless to move until the other cases have been prosecuted.

My opinion

 

[Woodburnbay]

Everything comes to he who waits. I hear no complaint from the family of the missing child in question who have waited to find out what happened to her for over sixteen years. So what's your rush?

Speaks volumes

 

[Anxala]

IMO, photos add credibility to other circumstantial evidence - witness statements, web chats, Das Buch etc. If images exist then this secondary evidence is more reliable.

So if photos of MM were found in CB’s possession and can be linked to him then I would believe he is responsible.

I just don’t think this is the way the investigation has played out. It’s almost certain that this evidence (if it exists) was available to the BKA prior to the appeal so why haven’t they charged in the last three years. Really, if they have images and a written confession, it’s surely enough to charge.

As you say, should ^ such evidence exist - most specifically imagery of MM that post-dates her 'abduction' - it would have been at the heart of the abduction and murder claim announced in 2020, and the subsequent appeal for help. It would be damning and more than enough, even if the appeal fell short, to proceed to a charge. And apart from anything else, I find it impossible to believe that if such imagery existed, its existence would not have been relayed to the parents, for id purposes if nothing else. (And that's despite them being witnessess and the BKA not being obliged to share info with witnesses, as per that link to an *interview with HCW with the Italian press I posted a few pages back).

Logic tells me he doesn't have imagery of that nature. Logic also tells me he is no closer here now in Nov 2023 to conclusively placing CB in PdL on that evening than he was back in June 2020. The idea that someone would come forward after all this time was always on a hiding to nothing imo, for all the reasons we've discussed in past threads.

ETA. That *interview link - Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Ok. I think if it was a suspicion HCW wouldn’t state it as a fact. Our opinions are probably polar opposites. I think when the full facts emerge, you & I will think similarly. Unfortunately I expect that others certainly will not.

Agree! Not just suspicion, obviously. Maybe 90% "solved"(?!) just need the final clue which, probably, they will not be able to get?!.
Oh, I'm really seeing BKA get involved in this case if it was just a suspicion...LOL. Some may still think that everything BKA may have is being revealed. If they will be able to charge or not it's another thing, but yes, I think they will try to keep him in more years and get something more from the next trial (other cases). Go cumulative...and give "confidence" for someone, possibly, more fearful to come forward. Waiting for his confession should be out of question.
Certainly not?! But even if the full facts emerge?! If that happens, it can no longer be just an opinion...

 

[RichardKimble]

Ok. I think if it was a suspicion HCW wouldn’t state it as a fact. Our opinions are probably polar opposites. I think when the full facts emerge, you & I will think similarly. Unfortunately I expect that others certainly will not.

I want justice for MM, remember her, I just don't think the answer is in a German jail, happy to be proved wrong.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think if we knew the evidence we’d easily come to the same conclusion as the BKA have. It’s just getting it court ready. I think they are ready but it would be senseless to move until the other cases have been prosecuted.

My opinion

How would you view the MM case if the BKA are only partially successful in the other cases.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Agree! Not just suspicion, obviously. Maybe 90% "solved"(?!) just need the final clue which, probably, they will not be able to get?!.
Oh, I'm really seeing BKA get involved in this case if it was just a suspicion...LOL. Some may still think that everything BKA may have is being revealed. If they will be able to charge or not it's another thing, but yes, I think they will try to keep him in more years and get something more from the next trial (other cases). Go cumulative...and give "confidence" for someone, possibly, more fearful to come forward. Waiting for his confession should be out of question.
Certainly not?! But even if the full facts emerge?! If that happens, it can no longer be just an opinion...

Yes. What means a case is "90% solved"? Is it possible?
Is it possible for a woman to be "90% pregnant"?

 

[Davieson]

Yes. What means a case is "90% solved"? Is it possible?
Is it possible for a woman to be "90% pregnant"?

Theoretically no. If some evidence is missing, it would seem impossible to know how much is missing.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Yes. What means a case is "90% solved"? Is it possible?
Is it possible for a woman to be "90% pregnant"?

If it’s possible for a jigsaw or crossword puzzle to be 90% solved or completed, then why not a criminal investigation?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Yes. What means a case is "90% solved"? Is it possible?
Is it possible for a woman to be "90% pregnant"?

What a comparison..LOL really!?
Obviously enclosed by quotation marks meaning IMO close to completion in the way they say they have evidence he did it.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I want justice for MM, remember her, I just don't think the answer is in a German jail, happy to be proved wrong.

So, not the question if they will charge or not, you really believe CB didn't do it...just for reference.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Fair point. I don’t think the investigation is at the ‘who-done-it’ phase, I think it surpassed that 5 years ago. I think their objective was to close off any potential counter arguments there could be (to their case). Judging by what’s been said, the most logical conclusion is that they have pictures or videos. HCW commented that if they ‘had a video of the act’ or a ‘A picture of MM with their suspect on camera’, they wouldn’t have needed to appeal. The problem with having a photo or video without the suspect in are the obvious defence arguments of ‘He had 20000 images & videos. How can you prove he didn’t obtain it like like he did with the 19500 other pictures & videos that don’t have him in’ & ‘he’s a fantasist, he’s written hundreds of things’.

That’s why, imo, they need him in the area that night. They have his phone in the area & there’s a witness who says they spotted him. Although any rational person would accept he was most likely using his own mobile phone & the witness did most likely see him, it’s not concrete enough for a court, imo.

IMO they’ve got him at the scene now but finding the caller would still help. They’ll want to eliminate the ‘accomplice’ card.

Fulscher loves a technicality, he’s evidently not as competent at winning the legal battles but leaving smalls areas of doubt &/or opportunities for technicality squabbles is something I highly expect the prosecution are tuned in to.

I think if we knew the evidence we’d easily come to the same conclusion as the BKA have. It’s just getting it court ready. I think they are ready but it would be senseless to move until the other cases have been prosecuted.

My opinion

I hope you appreciate that it’s possible to look at what HCW has said and come to the conclusion he has no images of MM. That is an equally rational conclusion to make.

Until CB goes to trial, we are left making the available information fit what we want to believe.

Based on what’s been shared, I don’t think the BKA’s case is strong. I think it’s largely built on HeB’s statement and is supported by other witness testimonies, some coincidental circumstantial evidence and perhaps CB’s autobiographical writings.

This is what the appeal, sensationalised media strategy, and flip-flopping on charging over three years tells me.

I hope there will be a trial so we can find out but I doubt very much that there will be.