Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[misty48]

I'm slow today!

JT an honest witness if ever there was one, did not see the child carrier's face well enough to describe it.

But maybe someone else did: that someone being Dr T. Right??

What I meant was that OG thought that Smithman and Tannerman were one and the same person,but the Smiths provided the facial description which JT couldn't. That doesn't exclude Dr T also having seen a man, with or without a child, in the same locale around the same time.
DCI Redwood never actually said the words "we are almost certain that this sighting was an innocent holidaymaker" about Tannerman. Maybe I'm just reading too much into why the clock could be moved forward all the way to 9.55pm. Tellingly, Tannerman still features on the OFM website to this day.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

How'd he keep her quiet? She was asleep or he promised to take her to her parents so she didn't even know to be afraid or he sedated her...

Jmo

That is other point.
She didn't even scream...
He would want her alive. Any solvent would have left some trace odor?!...although the window open...and maybe some unpredictability on how MM would react (any sound?!) which could complicate the escape?!

 

[Mex]

What I meant was that OG thought that Smithman and Tannerman were one and the same person,but the Smiths provided the facial description which JT couldn't. That doesn't exclude Dr T also having seen a man, with or without a child, in the same locale around the same time.
DCI Redwood never actually said the words "we are almost certain that this sighting was an innocent holidaymaker" about Tannerman. Maybe I'm just reading too much into why the clock could be moved forward all the way to 9.55pm. Tellingly, Tannerman still features on the OFM website to this day.

I see exactly where you are coming from Misty, thanks for your reply.

My problem is that I have a blind spot regarding the smith sighting; I think it an irrelevance to MM's disappearance.

For me the sighting reported immediately and right beside the crime scene when memories were fresh and untainted by the media reports is the the only sighting worth bothering about.

 

[frank-cole]

I see exactly where you are coming from Misty, thanks for your reply.

My problem is that I have a blind spot regarding the smith sighting; I think it an irrelevance to MM's disappearance.

For me the sighting reported immediately and right beside the crime scene when memories were fresh and untainted by the media reports is the the only sighting worth bothering about.

Spot on. ‘Smithman’ was more of a hot topic because Martin Smith became apart of the counter narrative due to a perception of how a child was carried (there only so many ways). Counter theory debunked as we all know, yet still apart of a narrative. There’s no significance to this sighting because there’s no way of identifying who the man was. AFAIK nobody has come forward - but as we know, the PJ didn’t handle information well. It’s possible that CB was parked somewhere closer to the beach.

 

[Davieson]

I see exactly where you are coming from Misty, thanks for your reply.

My problem is that I have a blind spot regarding the smith sighting; I think it an irrelevance to MM's disappearance.

For me the sighting reported immediately and right beside the crime scene when memories were fresh and untainted by the media reports is the the only sighting worth bothering about.

Even though OG discounted the sighting as another holiday maker

 

[frank-cole]

I thought it was. Do you have that link to BKA appeal? I do not recall to see a different info on this.

“Most intriguingly he re-registered his car on May the 4th, the day after MM went missing. He asked a friend to register it in his friends name”
Mark Cranwell. Imo the counter argument to this specific strand is highly unlikely. The police wouldn’t be talking about it in this way unless it was significant. It’s also not going to be ‘one of those’ coincidences.

There seems to be a SM defensive counter argument for any & all pieces of new & old information against CB. I expect that’ll continue with any & all new evidence & information that arises in the future.

My opinion.

 

[Anxala]

Here is one:

However, the PJ has refuted these claims, stating that their contact with the McCanns was solely to keep them apprised of the case’s progress. The Portuguese police force also revealed that their investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance is still active, with formal acts of investigation and expertise being conducted in Portugal and abroad, in collaboration with German (BKA) and English (Metropolitan Police) authorities.

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And from The Portuguese Resident " *SIC Notícias on Monday evening carried a news item to insist that Portugal’s PJ police did NOT travel to UK to apologise to the parents of Madeleine McCann. They went, as the statement issued earlier today explains, to update the couple on the situation as of ‘now’.

Thanks for link. There it is, clear as day.

And apart from anything else, why on earth would the PJ be apologising to the McCanns? For what? They have nothing to apologise for. On the contrary.

They did the best job they could with the material they had at the time, considering all the obstacles that were put in their way, not least by the Tapas8. If any apologies are due, they should be given by the UK media to the PJ for the shameful and deeply unpleasant xenophopic nature of its coverage of them at the time. And in certain quarters, to this day.

 

[Mex]

Thanks for link. There it is, clear as day.

And apart from anything else, why on earth would the PJ be apologising to the McCanns? They have nothing to apologise for. They did the best job they could have at the time, considering all the obstacles that were put in their way.

And yet another myth is born as if there haven't been more than enough to be going on with.

There is no verification from a named PJ spokesperson or anyone in authority making the claim. I don't think a journalist quite cuts the mustard on that one.

 

[Davieson]

And yet another myth is born as if there haven't been more than enough to be going on with.

There is no verification from a named PJ spokesperson or anyone in authority making the claim. I don't think a journalist quite cuts the mustard on that one.

As I recall, it was a journalist that made the claim in the first place in the Panorama prog.

 

[JB1510]

As I recall, it was a journalist that made the claim in the first place in the Panorama prog.

I honestly don’t believe the new PJ team that went to the uk to see GM in person , to discuss their current stance which drastically differs from their results in 2007 and not mention its previous failings/repercussions still voiced today .

 

[Anxala]

IMO they gave her an off ramp

It's clear her evidence was always a hot mess. It's clearly not credible she walked pass Gerry and friend in that small street and neither noticed. I don't think there is much to that. It simply shows why it was bad that they all compared notes and contaminated their versions. But at the time she worked through all this, she wasn't aware how significant it would all become. I think the same on some of the others. They gave perhaps self serving accounts, that don't really work.

Most of these issues are to be expected, but its' extra problematic when all the witnesses discussed their evidence first, had been drinking etc

And yet, reading back and over time, she, of all the Tapas8, comes across as the one with the least guile. The most honest even. Possibly to her own detriment.

 

[Davieson]

I do

I honestly don’t believe the new PJ team that went to the uk to see GM in person , to discuss their current stance which drastically differs from their results in 2007 and not mention its failings repercussions still voiced today .

I don't know the truth of the matter and I can't see that it matters anyway.
It certainly doesn't advance the CB discussion in any way what so ever.

 

[JB1510]

You mentioned it . I answered imo. I agree it doesn’t matter I’m just pleased the BKA , PJ and Met are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

[Consider Dudley]

And yet, reading back and over time, she, of all the Tapas8, comes across as the one with the least guile. The most honest even. Possibly to her own detriment.

Who is the 8th Tapas group member? There were 7 last time I counted plus two McCanns.

 

[Mex]

The Scotland Yard investigation circa 2011 into MM's disappearance centred on burglaries in Luz. They questioned a team of locally based burglars in 2014. All were eliminated from the inquiry.

The PJ set their sights on a former worker from the ocean club who had been dismissed.

Both SY and the PJ after exhaustive investigation settled on MM 's disappearance having been perpetrated by a stranger.

CB is among other things a burglar. Following investigation the German BKA have made him a suspect in the murder of MM. The PJ have made him a formal suspect and SY have not demurred in either suspicion.

CB is the guy officially under suspicion and being investigated for crimes against MM. Absolutely no-one else.

 

[Davieson]

You mentioned it . I answered imo. I agree it doesn’t matter I’m just pleased the BKA , PJ and Met are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

If you read a little further back you'll see that I was responding to an earlier comment about it.

 

[Davieson]

The Scotland Yard investigation circa 2011 into MM's disappearance centred on burglaries in Luz. They questioned a team of locally based burglars in 2014. All were eliminated from the inquiry.

The PJ set their sights on a former worker from the ocean club who had been dismissed.

Both SY and the PJ after exhaustive investigation settled on MM 's disappearance having been perpetrated by a stranger.

CB is among other things a burglar. Following investigation the German BKA have made him a suspect in the murder of MM. The PJ have made him a formal suspect and SY have not demurred in either suspicion.

CB is the guy officially under suspicion and being investigated for crimes against MM. Absolutely no-one else.

I don't think there's anyone on here who would dispute that.

 

[RichardKimble]

I thought it was. Do you have that link to BKA appeal? I do not recall to see a different info on this.

The BKA appeal is on page one of the very first thread, it only talks of the last known registration the day after was in Ausburg.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Even though OG discounted the sighting as another holiday maker

It’s amazing how police are attributed with the highest standards of investigative work and integrity… until it fails to match a preferred narrative. OG didn’t give any weight to JT’s sighting by dismissing it, yet it’s still the most likely sighting for some people. It’s hard to weigh up these conflicting views.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

AB confirmed that there was no instruction to reregister the Jag 4 May.The paperwork was sent to him around that time - that’s all.

It’s another point of the media campaign made to look more incriminating than it actually is - why?

Is there any link/article with that info (AB confirming he "only" received the paperwork)?
"Around" that time?! So how could BKA knew it was on 4th? In any case, what a "coincidence"....