Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[RichardKimble]

One story, different versions in a couple of paragraphs.


Sources close to the investigation said that 'only animal bones and bits of old adult clothing' have been found in the estimated £300,000 operation.

One officer told MailOnline: 'We always knew it was going to be a waste of time but we have to show cooperation.

'What did they expect to find after 18 years? We were happy to work with them but we knew it would be a waste of time.'

But Portuguese media claimed the search turned up enough material that investigators deemed worthy of further analysis at a laboratory.

'During the search, several items were seized that will be examined further by the German police,' reported CNN Portugal.

The materials will now be carefully analyzed in the police laboratory 'to assess their potential relevance to the investigation', according the daily newspaper Correio da Manhã.


Madeleine McCann police probe samples of 'clothes and bone fragments'

 

[Davieson]

One story, different versions in a couple of paragraphs.


Sources close to the investigation said that 'only animal bones and bits of old adult clothing' have been found in the estimated £300,000 operation.

One officer told MailOnline: 'We always knew it was going to be a waste of time but we have to show cooperation.

'What did they expect to find after 18 years? We were happy to work with them but we knew it would be a waste of time.'

But Portuguese media claimed the search turned up enough material that investigators deemed worthy of further analysis at a laboratory.

'During the search, several items were seized that will be examined further by the German police,' reported CNN Portugal.

The materials will now be carefully analyzed in the police laboratory 'to assess their potential relevance to the investigation', according the daily newspaper Correio da Manhã.


Madeleine McCann police probe samples of 'clothes and bone fragments'

Is that from the Daily Pessamist ?

 

[thinker47]

Speculation doesn't alway lead to progress and can send detectives down blind alleys.

Exactly as I said.

 

[thinker47]

One story, different versions in a couple of paragraphs.


Sources close to the investigation said that 'only animal bones and bits of old adult clothing' have been found in the estimated £300,000 operation.

One officer told MailOnline: 'We always knew it was going to be a waste of time but we have to show cooperation.

'What did they expect to find after 18 years? We were happy to work with them but we knew it would be a waste of time.'

But Portuguese media claimed the search turned up enough material that investigators deemed worthy of further analysis at a laboratory.

'During the search, several items were seized that will be examined further by the German police,' reported CNN Portugal.

The materials will now be carefully analyzed in the police laboratory 'to assess their potential relevance to the investigation', according the daily newspaper Correio da Manhã.


Madeleine McCann police probe samples of 'clothes and bone fragments'

Having gone to this much trouble already, I guess there's a case for leaving no stone unturned. I think - and that's an anecdotal 'think' not an educated one - that DNA is likely to survive as long as there's been no fire or prolonged soaking in water or chemicals. I know they say 'adult clothing and animal bones' but again, having gone this far, maybe it's worth clutching at straws, if intelligence has led them there.

 

[Monic]

 

[Davieson]

I suppose that unless they were part of a more or less complete skeleton, they might be difficult to identify in the field.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Having gone to this much trouble already, I guess there's a case for leaving no stone unturned. I think - and that's an anecdotal 'think' not an educated one - that DNA is likely to survive as long as there's been no fire or prolonged soaking in water or chemicals. I know they say 'adult clothing and animal bones' but again, having gone this far, maybe it's worth clutching at straws, if intelligence has led them there.

Fire or prolonged soaking in water or chemicals.
Something that doesn't seem far from CB being able to do. Pre-disposal.
My doubt.

IMO he is the responsible. So, how he is 100% confident that police will not find the remains?
And curiously (or naively again), he didn't write he didn't it. He wrote...

"But they had not even one proof that I was involved with the McCann case. And they still don't have it."
'I know why. Because they have no hairs or anything from Maddie what means that nobody can put stuff anything like that into my stuff to find it."

And, don’t forget, is there a dead body?

 

[Davieson]

I was entertained to see the pistols displayed.
One was a 5.5mm starting pistol, and the other two looked very much like Belgian-made .32 calibre pistols dating from the end of the 19th century. .32 is an obselete calibre for which ammunition is no longer available and can be bought without licence in UK

Hardly 'gangsta' weapons

 

[Megnut]

When there is but little evidence, what is LE to do? Give up?

Well publicized case in the US, ES was abducted from the bedroom see started with her sister who witnessed the abduction, but so traumatized, didn't report what she'd seen. Otherwise, no real evidence of an abduction, but she was taken, out the second story window by a former handyman.

It is not shocking to me that LE had little to go on when MM went missing. Maybe an open window, but that doesn't mean anyone went through it. A closed gate. I think the unchecked assumption sometimes is that kidnapping is a grab and go, a mad dash, when on reality, dashing invites notice. The chilling abductions caught on cctv are the ones where the child walks away with the kidnapper, hand in hand. With a simple promise. A puppy. Candy. Ice cream.

If CB ran from 5a with a flailing wailing child, all attention would have followed him. He kept her quiet, by whatever manipulation, chemical or cunning. And walked away, with the perfect camouflage, the appearance of a parent carrying a child. Scarcely worth noticing.

And IMO while CB shared lucid taste with many of child predator, CB has his own wicked proclivities. Keeping a little, being one of them. How many abducted children are assaulted, killed and discarded, in the first hours? He had other designs.

Did he wait in the area? He may well have. Behave opposite what people expect.

Another kidnapper kept a little girl in a compartment in his work vehicle, parked right outside his front door, while going to cover with his wife and children.

I don't think it's a stretch to believe CB could keep a little for days, while not being in hidng himself. Part of his thrill. Going through a checkpoint with a missing child hidden in his van, yes, he's that brazen. Do I know he did these things? Of course not. I just find them not impossible.

And within all bounds of the law, I hope --before he walks free, someone with the power to do so can take action to commit him so he cannot reoffend.

JMO

 

[thinker47]

When there is but little evidence, what is LE to do? Give up?

Well publicized case in the US, ES was abducted from the bedroom see started with her sister who witnessed the abduction, but so traumatized, didn't report what she'd seen. Otherwise, no real evidence of an abduction, but she was taken, out the second story window by a former handyman.

It is not shocking to me that LE had little to go on when MM went missing. Maybe an open window, but that doesn't mean anyone went through it. A closed gate. I think the unchecked assumption sometimes is that kidnapping is a grab and go, a mad dash, when on reality, dashing invites notice. The chilling abductions caught on cctv are the ones where the child walks away with the kidnapper, hand in hand. With a simple promise. A puppy. Candy. Ice cream.

If CB ran from 5a with a flailing wailing child, all attention would have followed him. He kept her quiet, by whatever manipulation, chemical or cunning. And walked away, with the perfect camouflage, the appearance of a parent carrying a child. Scarcely worth noticing.

And IMO while CB shared lucid taste with many of child predator, CB has his own wicked proclivities. Keeping a little, being one of them. How many abducted children are assaulted, killed and discarded, in the first hours? He had other designs.

Did he wait in the area? He may well have. Behave opposite what people expect.

Another kidnapper kept a little girl in a compartment in his work vehicle, parked right outside his front door, while going to cover with his wife and children.

I don't think it's a stretch to believe CB could keep a little for days, while not being in hidng himself. Part of his thrill. Going through a checkpoint with a missing child hidden in his van, yes, he's that brazen. Do I know he did these things? Of course not. I just find them not impossible.

And within all bounds of the law, I hope --before he walks free, someone with the power to do so can take action to commit him so he cannot reoffend.

JMO

I agree that all of this is feasible. What we have in the end though, without more to go on, is that old trip hazard 'innocent until proven guilty'. Frustrating in certain instances but the cornerstone of human rights and justice. And the end of same for many a victim. (I do know you weren't suggesting they put him away carelessly!)

 

[Hygge]

We should not forget that also the twins didn’t wake up and the Mccanns were concerned.
Coincidence? Honestly I don’t think so.
A man who sedated victims with ether in his fantasies
Open window
No one heard a crying child
Twins slept like stones
Drug dealer an chemicals were found

Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins on the night Madeleine was taken

Mrs McCann said she had to check twins Sean and Amelie were breathing when they did not wake as a search for Madeleine began in Portugal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Davieson]

Fire or prolonged soaking in water or chemicals.
Something that doesn't seem far from CB being able to do. Pre-disposal.
My doubt.

IMO he is the responsible. So, how he is 100% confident that police will not find the remains?
And curiously (or naively again), he didn't write he didn't it. He wrote...

"But they had not even one proof that I was involved with the McCann case. And they still don't have it."
'I know why. Because they have no hairs or anything from Maddie what means that nobody can put stuff anything like that into my stuff to find it."

And, don’t forget, is there a dead body?

"And, don’t forget, is there a dead body? "

This is what any prosecution actually hinges on.
What evidence have they got to show that MM is dead ?
HCW can say whatever he likes, but if they can't prove in court to the judges' satisfaction that she is dead, then there can be no murder charge.

 

[Mex]

Was it ever oficially confirmed CB worked in The Ocean Club or is it another instance of tabloid gossip, stated as holy truth?

It certainly appeared in well documented 'tabloid gossip' which is probably how we will get most of our information. The latest trial suggests that German law isn't big on court transcripts nor are the police when it comes to internet publishing of police files.
Snip
German paedophile CB was said to have carried out repair work at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz before the three-year-old vanished from there in 2007.

Evidence gathered for a documentary by SAT.1, a German channel, showed CB was “very familiar” with the Portuguese resort and surrounding area.

Makers of the programme have shared their findings with the police.

Madeleine McCann suspect ‘repeatedly worked at resort where she vanished’

Christian Brueckner said to have carried out repair work at Algarve holiday site

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

I was entertained to see the pistols displayed.
One was a 5.5mm starting pistol, and the other two looked very much like Belgian-made .32 calibre pistols dating from the end of the 19th century. .32 is an obselete calibre for which ammunition is no longer available and can be bought without licence in UK

Hardly 'gangsta' weapons

I am always instantly suspicious any time the police display rusty old guns as supposed "evidence" of anything, quite frankly. It always just seems like they're randomly clutching at straws to make it look like they're doing something.

You see this whenever there's an "amnesty" here - the news reports at the end of it almost always show only a pile of rusty scrap, ancient airguns and stuff you don't need any authority to possess.

 

[Megnut]

"And, don’t forget, is there a dead body? "

This is what any prosecution actually hinges on.
What evidence have they got to show that MM is dead ?
HCW can say whatever he likes, but if they can't prove in court to the judges' satisfaction that she is dead, then there can be no murder charge.

But it happens. Cases are tried without bodies, without "proof" of a death. That's what trials are for. Hypothetical: child goes missing, suspect is seen with limp child near dumpster, landfill searches come up empty. Can you prove the child is dead? No body. It'll come down to what evidence is presented and what a jury deduces.

There's no arrest, no trial, but this is a true crime forum and I'm weighing for myself what makes sense.

I wouldn't have been surprised if CB made off with MM's families LUGGAGE if that's what he wanted, and without leaving a trace. Sane principle but it wouldn't have become a headline. It certainly wouldn't have been a mystery.

That she was secreted away by family or was abducted by an abductor other than CB requires a lot more make believe.

He is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO

 

[Mex]

I was entertained to see the pistols displayed.
One was a 5.5mm starting pistol, and the other two looked very much like Belgian-made .32 calibre pistols dating from the end of the 19th century. .32 is an obselete calibre for which ammunition is no longer available and can be bought without licence in UK

Hardly 'gangsta' weapons

I have to disagree with you on this one. If one is at the wrong end of a weapon one could be considered an idiot for not taking the situation with a certain level of gravity.
Much as was done when CB carried his in the open.
Snip
'Everyone was absolutely terrified when he was around,' she said.

'I have been told that when he was here he had a gun that would always be in a holster around his waist.

'Lots of people were very put off by that and found it very intimidating. Back in 2007 you did not need a licence to carry a gun.'

Christian Brueckner 'terrorised residents of Portuguese village

The 43-year-old, now the main suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, stayed at a rural bolthole not far from the Algarve resort.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

I have to disagree with you on this one. If one is at the wrong end of a weapon one could be considered an idiot for not taking the situation with a certain level of gravity.
Much as was done when CB carried his in the open.
Snip
'Everyone was absolutely terrified when he was around,' she said.

'I have been told that when he was here he had a gun that would always be in a holster around his waist.

'Lots of people were very put off by that and found it very intimidating. Back in 2007 you did not need a licence to carry a gun.'

Christian Brueckner 'terrorised residents of Portuguese village

The 43-year-old, now the main suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, stayed at a rural bolthole not far from the Algarve resort.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think that we need to treat statements which start "I was told..." with a healthy degree of skepticism, to be honest.

I'm not familiar with Portuguese gun law but I would find it very surprising if it allowed the open carrying of pistols by regular members of the public. Even if it was correct that you didn't need a licence to carry one, you will certainly have needed one to own one.

 

[Davieson]

But it happens. Cases are tried without bodies, without "proof" of a death. That's what trials are for. Hypothetical: child goes missing, suspect is seen with limp child near dumpster, landfill searches come up empty. Can you prove the child is dead? No body. It'll come down to what evidence is presented and what a jury deduces.

There's no arrest, no trial, but this is a true crime forum and I'm weighing for myself what makes sense.

I wouldn't have been surprised if CB made off with MM's families LUGGAGE if that's what he wanted, and without leaving a trace. Sane principle but it wouldn't have become a headline. It certainly wouldn't have been a mystery.

That she was secreted away by family or was abducted by an abductor other than CB requires a lot more make believe.

He is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO

He certainly is the stuff of nightmares, but isn't sufficient for charges

 

[Megnut]

He certainly is the stuff of nightmares, but isn't sufficient for charges

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

I think that we need to treat statements which start "I was told..." with a healthy degree of skepticism, to be honest.

I'm not familiar with Portuguese gun law but I would find it very surprising if it allowed the open carrying of pistols by regular members of the public. Even if it was correct that you didn't need a licence to carry one, you will certainly have needed one to own one.

Having google-checked, it would seem that he could likely own those pistols without licence but need a permit to carry.
Not that he's the sort to bother about regulations.