Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[frank-cole]

He could of just said to her, if she was awake or woke up ,
come with me, I will take you to mummy and daddy, then taken her to his car or van?

Yes good point. It’s possible he disturbed her when & she was awake when he took her.

 

[Anxala]

One side of the argument is CB is responsible for abducting and murdering MM - if it exists no proof to support this claim has been made available to the public.

To those who support this argument, trials that result in acquittals are brushed aside with claims that the real evidence was inadmissible, legally not guilty is not equivalent to factually innocent, or the judge was biased etc. You’ve read this on hundreds of posts.

Question any part of the narrative that CB is responsible for murdering MM and the vitriol is unleashed - name calling, ridicule, hatred is all on display… its unpleasant.

100% agree.

Dare to turn the argument around and make the point that perhaps a previous conviction wasn’t water-tight and further humiliation is dished out. It’s not an unreasonable suggestion given CB’s current defence lawyer has been critical of his previous counsel and has formally requested a retrial.

Personally, I think that's a very long shot. The MO of the rape he's serving a jail sentence for is more or less identical to the assault/rape seen on the tape by HeB and MS. As dodgy on some levels as both of them are, I believe them to be telling the truth here about what they viewed.

I haven’t downplayed CB’s criminal past, I have highlighted what it’s based on and then defended it. There is nothing wrong with this.

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

If your outrage compels you to reprimand people, can I please suggest some balance?

I'm not outraged, just disturbed to see crimes against females - children and adults - treated in a way that comes across almost as indifference. Perhaps it's a gender thing, that women are far more aware of how widespread violence against women is and how, even today, it fails to be treated with the seriousness it deserves.

 

[C.greek]

The below image is from the boot of CB’s Jag.

It was reported on the Australian 60 Minutes programme that they contain ether.

Does anyone know where there is a higher resolution image. I think it’s possible to identify the chemicals from the UN number on the labels - all dangerous goods must carry the ID number to be transported.

The amber vials and brown bottles are usually used for solvents (diethyl ether, acetone, or chloroform, etc). The ones with red caps usually are for reagents.

This is most likely part of an illegal drug manufacture lab... but with very strong suspicions that CB had access to solvents.

 

[RichardKimble]

The amber vials and brown bottles are usually used for solvents (diethyl ether, acetone, or chloroform, etc). The ones with red caps usually are for reagents.

This is most likely part of an illegal drug manufacture lab... but with very strong suspicions that CB had access to solvents.

That sounds more like ingredients to make something, do you think CB was a chemist or a basic understanding of?

 

[RichardKimble]

Yes good point. It’s possible he disturbed her when & she was awake when he took her.

That sounds like you have knowledge of CB engaging in the act, care to share ?

 

[johnlair]

Well at some stage it's not a stretch to say that the BKA will surely have to explain how MM left 5a, for sure the defence will raise it, crime scene photos don't support the window exit.

If there was no struggle like her simply being led to go and find her parents because he works there.... This is the BS he gives her ...he simply opens the unlocked door leads her out by hand and closes the door behind him... Its not difficult to see how he might also have opened the window to create a red herring..
If he had been working around the Hotel aswell he knew if anyone saw him especially doing maintenance even with a bad of tools or gloves on they would be simply Hi Chris thinking he had a job to do

 

[johnlair]

Over the last few pages, I’ve made posts to transition the forum back to sleuthing.

One was removed by the mods. Only @johnlair engaged with the others - thank you.

Perhaps I’m a mediocre sleuth but this indicates most people have little interest in amateur detective pursuits and are far more motivated in hammering home their opinions about something they cannot prove.

All the best with it.

Again my stance is I simply do not believe the BKA would come out and make it up that they know she is dead and all their investigating leads to him... To think they would do that simply for publicity of cracking the case is very conspiracy minded...
I think what you are saying about his record I can understand however many get away with things for a long amount of time before getting caught look at fred and rose west... What I see with his record is a pattern emerging from a very young age that seems to have basically been cut when he went to portugal I dont believe thats because the pattern stopped or decelerated at all...I believe thats because he was unknown there and kept himself living outside of society like that so he would remain unknown and no offence to the Portuguese police they were not back then as on the ball with these crimes it was a pDF haven... So I think his pattern probably carried on an got far far worse...the more times he gets away with something the worse he becomes.. and I do believe he got away with alot of things sex offenders generally dont just stop so yes I entirely believe he raped Diane and was sentenced for it... He also abused his GF daughter and filmed it in Germany... There are lots of stories about him by people who knew him that fit the profile.. and I think if he worked where MM was abducted which is what is claimed by some of his best friends but he worked cash in hand doing maintenance and helping in the Kitchen then he went under the radar when they questioned the staff... And they probably realised this when they very stupidly left him a note saying they wished to speak with him about MM because it tipped him off and he could have further hid any remains we do know he fleed then... I dont know I think given his movements etc I think they sve got the right guy and I do not doubt a professional forces word when they say she is dead so I believe they uncovered something for sure.

 

[johnlair]

J

That sounds more like ingredients to make something, do you think CB was a chemist or a basic understanding of?

Judging by the amount he had he either knew one or robbed a chemist

 

[C.greek]

That sounds more like ingredients to make something, do you think CB was a chemist or a basic understanding of?

No, he was no chemist but judging from his drug dealing record I think he was indeed making methamphetamines or similar. With basic knowledge and the help of recipes this is what looks like mid-range criminals or even amateurs would use to make a meth lab... jmo

 

[RichardKimble]

No, he was no chemist but judging from his drug dealing record I think he was indeed making methamphetamines or similar. With basic knowledge and the help of recipes this is what looks like mid-range criminals or even amateurs would use to make a meth lab... jmo

Walter White he certainly isn't.

 

[tedtink]

No, he was no chemist but judging from his drug dealing record I think he was indeed making methamphetamines or similar. With basic knowledge and the help of recipes this is what looks like mid-range criminals or even amateurs would use to make a meth lab...

Stimulants for the raves &/ or poppers?

Jmo

 

[tedtink]

Walter White he certainly isn't.

That’s it. They were essential oils for all his hippie mates.

 

[johnlair]

No, he was no chemist but judging from his drug dealing record I think he was indeed making methamphetamines or similar. With basic knowledge and the help of recipes this is what looks like mid-range criminals or even amateurs would use to make a meth lab... jmo

Maybe but in his journals he talks about drugging women before raping them... GHB was a well know date rape chemical... but also ether and chloroform ...it would be super interesting to know what those chemicals are...I hope they listed them

 

[tedtink]

Maybe but in his journals he talks about drugging women before raping them... GHB was a well know date rape chemical... but also ether and chloroform ...it would be super interesting to know what those chemicals are...I hope they listed them

Media reports suggest they threw them away, but would BKA do that considering how thorough they seem?

 

[Trivento]

Eight key police finds from Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's lair

Chilling details of a huge search into a property owned by Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, uncovered eight shocking finds that have now been revealed for the first time

www.mirror.co.uk

“Bottles of substances and chemicals were also found, but cops destroyed these without testing them to see what they were. Police have reportedly since theorised they could have contained chloroform or ether - which can be used to make people unconscious and pass out. Brueckner wrote about using dangerous chemicals to snatch people in twisted kidnapping stories, also found in the search.”

Seems like the chemicals were destroyed ..

Often seem to hear about such actions that have been taken , that all seem to ease CB slipping through the net .. ?!

 

[frank-cole]

The amber vials and brown bottles are usually used for solvents (diethyl ether, acetone, or chloroform, etc). The ones with red caps usually are for reagents.

This is most likely part of an illegal drug manufacture lab... but with very strong suspicions that CB had access to solvents.

Considering the use of solvent or something like ether - One idea that’s less plausible but has a very slight possibility, is if he initially went into 5a the night (or nights) before.

Night before - Big football game in bars. Day after - exhausted Madeleine, unknown stain on clothing, “where were you when we cried last night”. A weak argument could be made that perhaps he went into 5a on 2/5, something spooked him so he came back on 3/5. Counter is the MO of open window - imo if he had been in on 2/5 he’d have opened window & raised shutter & someone would have been realised

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Considering the use of solvent or something like ether - One idea that’s less plausible but has a very slight possibility, is if he initially went into 5a the night (or nights) before.

Night before - Big football game in bars. Day after - exhausted Madeleine, unknown stain on clothing, “where were you when we cried last night”. A weak argument could be made that perhaps he went into 5a on 2/5, something spooked him so he came back on 3/5. Counter is the MO of open window - imo if he had been in on 2/5 he’d have opened window & raised shutter & someone would have been realised

Yes...
2/5 just to test the context inside (without diluent, window kept closed) + 3/5 to finally kidnap would increase the risk of detection (2 consecutive days).
But would this be in fact a surprise considering all his confidence with the place and knowing him so well the relaxed routine of the parents and the surroundings of OC and PdL?!

 

[johnlair]

Eight key police finds from Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's lair

Chilling details of a huge search into a property owned by Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, uncovered eight shocking finds that have now been revealed for the first time

www.mirror.co.uk

“Bottles of substances and chemicals were also found, but cops destroyed these without testing them to see what they were. Police have reportedly since theorised they could have contained chloroform or ether - which can be used to make people unconscious and pass out. Brueckner wrote about using dangerous chemicals to snatch people in twisted kidnapping stories, also found in the search.”

Seems like the chemicals were destroyed ..

Often seem to hear about such actions that have been taken , that all seem to ease CB slipping through the net .. ?!

Why would they do that when they have found them in the back of the Jag he reregistered ...This makes absolutely zero sense.... What a dumb thing to do... impound all his vehicles and yet destroy the chemicals

 

[Chiatos]

Eight key police finds from Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's lair

Chilling details of a huge search into a property owned by Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, uncovered eight shocking finds that have now been revealed for the first time

www.mirror.co.uk

“Bottles of substances and chemicals were also found, but cops destroyed these without testing them to see what they were. Police have reportedly since theorised they could have contained chloroform or ether - which can be used to make people unconscious and pass out. Brueckner wrote about using dangerous chemicals to snatch people in twisted kidnapping stories, also found in the search.”

Seems like the chemicals were destroyed ..

Often seem to hear about such actions that have been taken , that all seem to ease CB slipping through the net .. ?!

I can't / don't believe they were not tested. Can't The Mirror be wrong?

 

[Trivento]

Why would they do that when they have found them in the back of the Jag he reregistered ...This makes absolutely zero sense.... What a dumb thing to do... impound all his vehicles and yet destroy the chemicals

It does sound strange indeed ..
There are a few events ( originating from different agencies ) over the years that are disconcerting .. imo

-that CB wasn’t pursued more thoroughly in 2007
-that CB was advised by letter he was being looked into re. MM
-that he was acquitted of play park incident despite the witness accounts
-that he was acquitted of HB rape without scar photo being considered
-that chemicals from car destroyed reportedly
-that some of properties / huts that CB known to have stayed at have not been thoroughly searched ( although of course good work has also been done here )

All of that could help CB get to his non-extraditable escape.

However many are of course doing their hardest to pursue CB , especially the Prosecutors / BKA and I am glad and thankful they still are .
imo .. the agencies investigating CB should still be praised for their efforts .