Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[thinker47]

Yes, but he said that later.

But before, would he risk walking out the door, along the street, carrying her in his arms while she was awake or could wake up and scream at any second? He may even have had that confidence...

Yes, I've always thought there had to be a way that he incapacitated her - he or anyone else if not him - or she would surely have made some sort of fuss and the twins would have heard. Or if he had led her quietly out of the apartments, at some point she would have realised and, someone would have spotted a distressed little blonde girl, somewhere along the line. There had to have been medication - if it was MM that someone saw being carried away - or a vehicle in the very near vicinity.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Yes, I've always thought there had to be a way that he incapacitated her - he or anyone else if not him - or she would surely have made some sort of fuss and the twins would have heard. Or if he had led her quietly out of the apartments, at some point she would have realised and, someone would have spotted a distressed little blonde girl, somewhere along the line. There had to have been medication - if it was MM that someone saw being carried away - or a vehicle in the very near vicinity.

Despite all his confidence, I don't think he would risk it, and he may have used something to make her unconscious.

Doubts on a vehicle in the very near vicinity.
From his letters:
Was I or my vehicle clearly seen near the crime scene on the night of the crime? - Did he really have the nerve to disperse himself into the crowd (Smith sighting?) and walk a long distance, with her on his arms, to reach his van or jag parked in a less noticeable place and with an easy exit?

Or did he hide it well even though it was nearby?
Contrarily to Codin's testimony, I think he may have left PdL very soon to avoid police circus arrives.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The question I have is this: is the jaguar that was found in the box factory dusted and dirty the same one he deregistered and had in Portugal?

Yes. It has been described as a 1986/7 XJ in dark claret colour. The car has been discussed extensively on Websleuths. He apparently acquired it from his brother. It was registered in Munich - the plate number is also available on here. There were reasons that the car needed to be reregistered - I think it’s necessary after six years but someone from Germany would be able to better answer it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Do you remember the daughters birthday cake photo? Many threads back, CB, NF & the child.
I don't have time to look atm, maybe someone else can do the honours.

The photo is in the below link.

IIRC, the photo was taken around Halloween 2007. It was roughly the same time as the 100k euros was stolen… and shortly after CH bought the box factory

REVEALED: 'Child therapist' tracked down by Olive Press was Maddie McCann suspect's 'partner in crime' in Portugal as more details unearthed - Olive Press News Spain

In an explosive documentary on Portugal’s national RTP TV station, the attractive German from Wurzburg, has been accused of pinpointing ‘good properties to rob’ for the pair

www.theolivepress.es

 

[RichardKimble]

Similarly to how we form our opinions on WS. If one curtails one’s opinion by trying to keep it stuck to what is already public record, it wouldn’t make for much of a sleuthing platform!

Also not forgetting Sleuths is supposed to be fact based ,all this about he may have used some kind of substance to sedate MM is pure speculation, there's nothing to suggest evidential wise CB was even in 5a let alone abduct MM.If it ever gets to trial and its a mighty big if, the evidence scant that it is of any entry will be tested to the nth degree, in front of the world's press it will have to water tight and then some more the trial last year showed that.

 

[C.greek]

The photo is in the below link.

IIRC, the photo was taken around Halloween 2007. It was roughly the same time as the 100k euros was stolen… and shortly after CH bought the box factory

REVEALED: 'Child therapist' tracked down by Olive Press was Maddie McCann suspect's 'partner in crime' in Portugal as more details unearthed - Olive Press News Spain

In an explosive documentary on Portugal’s national RTP TV station, the attractive German from Wurzburg, has been accused of pinpointing ‘good properties to rob’ for the pair

www.theolivepress.es

I thought this was the girl she was babysitting but I might be wrong. If its her daughter, I can count 5 candles! Shocking to think CB spent time around her so much

I also found this picture where NF's daughter (?) appears to be a brunette. Madeleine McCann suspect's ex had secret Algarve compound guarded by fierce dogs

 

[C.greek]

Also not forgetting Sleuths is supposed to be fact based ,all this about he may have used some kind of substance to sedate MM is pure speculation, there's nothing to suggest evidential wise CB was even in 5a let alone abduct MM.If it ever gets to trial and its a mighty big if, the evidence scant that it is of any entry will be tested to the nth degree, in front of the world's press it will have to water tight and then some more the trial last year showed that.

We are trying to connect dots here starting from the assumption as the title of this thread has that CB is the suspect in MM's murder/disappearance. With regards to the substance, it is a fact they found chemicals in his car (albeit much later on) and that he described in his writings about using ether to render his victims unconscious. I think it is a really relevant question to ask whether he could have used some substance to abduct MM.

 

[C.greek]

Yes. It has been described as a 1986/7 XJ in dark claret colour. The car has been discussed extensively on Websleuths. He apparently acquired it from his brother. It was registered in Munich - the plate number is also available on here. There were reasons that the car needed to be reregistered - I think it’s necessary after six years but someone from Germany would be able to better answer it.

That they have the jaguar or that they had it in 2016 was the first time I heard with the 'unseen evidence'. Were you aware of it before?

 

[KBlackRabbit]

I don’t think he did it.

Red herring.

 

[RichardKimble]

We are trying to connect dots here starting from the assumption as the title of this thread has that CB is the suspect in MM's murder/disappearance. With regards to the substance, it is a fact they found chemicals in his car (albeit much later on) and that he described in his writings about using ether to render his victims unconscious. I think it is a really relevant question to ask whether he could have used some substance to abduct MM.

Every story has three parts, a beginning ,middle and end , an investigation wouldn't to far removed from this, HCW and the BKA have given the world parts of the middle, the beginning is MM is missing that's it, in as yet unexplained circumstances, the middle nor the end come to that will ever be complete without the beginning.Not one have any of the LEs explained how MM was removed out of 5a.

 

[C.greek]

Every story has three parts, a beginning ,middle and end , an investigation wouldn't to far removed from this, HCW and the BKA have given the world parts of the middle, the beginning is MM is missing that's it, in as yet unexplained circumstances, the middle nor the end come to that will never be complete without the beginning.Not one have any of the LEs explained how MM was removed out of 5a.

They also haven't shared anything else apart from the fact that they think CB killed her and have evidence, perhaps just not BARD. we have only been given the end of the story. And we are trying to connect dots from snippets of info they provide. This is what we are doing. And I really believe that if they can prove CB killed her, all the rest is neither here nor there.

 

[johnlair]

Every story has three parts, a beginning ,middle and end , an investigation wouldn't to far removed from this, HCW and the BKA have given the world parts of the middle, the beginning is MM is missing that's it, in as yet unexplained circumstances, the middle nor the end come to that will ever be complete without the beginning.Not one have any of the LEs explained how MM was removed out of 5a.

People try and put things together here on Websleuths ... Thats always happened fact based or speculation...it would be pretty boring if all people did on here was post the latest news and say well thats that.... I remember the Wayne Couzens case the speculation was wild on here.... One of the greatest cases I have ever seen unfold ....probably because of that

 

[RichardKimble]

They also haven't shared anything else apart from the fact that they think CB killed her and have evidence, perhaps just not BARD. we have only been given the end of the story. And we are trying to connect dots from snippets of info they provide. This is what we are doing. And I really believe that if they can prove CB killed her, all the rest is neither here nor there.

Imo the only way any progression is to be made is with MMs remains being found, as one commentator elsewhere has written, they're looking for a needle in a haystack but don't know which haystack.

 

[frank-cole]

Also not forgetting Sleuths is supposed to be fact based ,all this about he may have used some kind of substance to sedate MM is pure speculation, there's nothing to suggest evidential wise CB was even in 5a let alone abduct MM.If it ever gets to trial and its a mighty big if, the evidence scant that it is of any entry will be tested to the nth degree, in front of the world's press it will have to water tight and then some more the trial last year showed that.

CB is under investigation for the abduction, assault and murder of a little blonde girl.

CB writes a story about abducting, assaulting and murdering a little blonde girl. CB also writes about ether.

That’s a very justified factor to sleuth about.

A lot of unusual bottles of substances found at box factory too.

 

[thinker47]

Also not forgetting Sleuths is supposed to be fact based ,all this about he may have used some kind of substance to sedate MM is pure speculation, there's nothing to suggest evidential wise CB was even in 5a let alone abduct MM.If it ever gets to trial and its a mighty big if, the evidence scant that it is of any entry will be tested to the nth degree, in front of the world's press it will have to water tight and then some more the trial last year sh

True detective work in the field revolves around speculation prompted by facts. Without that speculation, lazy detectives would just sit waiting for the next fact to appear, instead of going looking for it because they speculate what it might be. Detective work is all 'IF this, then that, and IF that, then something else but if NOT this or that, then back to item one '. That's speculation, logic-based. They/we have no facts to go on in the first instance beyond that MM disappeared without trace. If we don't speculate, there is no conversation. If the detectives didn't speculate, there would be no progress in this case at all. The fact that they may be entirely wrong shouldn't stop them (or us) trying, as long as everyone is open to change when new facts appear..

JMO, obviously.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

That they have the jaguar or that they had it in 2016 was the first time I heard with the 'unseen evidence'. Were you aware of it before?

I knew the BKA had the car. I didn’t know about the ‘unseen evidence’.

I think it’s likely that The Sun/C4 doco was about publicity and shaping opinion ahead of the new search.

In this scenario, linking a boot full of chemicals to ether or chloroform enhances the exposure.

I do not believe the pictured chemicals are ether. I think the photo is just of crap that CB was messing around with - not everything to do with him has to be nefarious. I think the details of the photo were deliberately withheld to generate suspicion about their prime suspect. If feel a lot of the media leaks have been done this way which makes me question the strength of the case.

But this is only my opinion. I don’t want to debate any part of it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I thought this was the girl she was babysitting but I might be wrong. If its her daughter, I can count 5 candles! Shocking to think CB spent time around her so much

I also found this picture where NF's daughter (?) appears to be a brunette. Madeleine McCann suspect's ex had secret Algarve compound guarded by fierce dogs

It is my recollection too that the girl in the photo was in her care, not her daughter.

 

[Davieson]

True detective work in the field revolves around speculation prompted by facts. Without that speculation, lazy detectives would just sit waiting for the next fact to appear, instead of going looking for it because they speculate what it might be. Detective work is all 'IF this, then that, and IF that, then something else but if NOT this or that, then back to item one '. That's speculation, logic-based. They/we have no facts to go on in the first instance beyond that MM disappeared without trace. If we don't speculate, there is no conversation. If the detectives didn't speculate, there would be no progress in this case at all. The fact that they may be entirely wrong shouldn't stop them (or us) trying, as long as everyone is open to change when new facts appear..

JMO, obviously.

Speculation doesn't alway lead to progress and can send detectives down blind alleys.

 

[Mex]

I don’t think he did it.

Red herring.

Possibly.
But we are not in possession of all the collated evidence whereas investigators do and in their opinion CB certainly has a case to answer.

Considering he was on Portuguese police radar in 2007 and not questioned then in conjunction with his known refusal to be questioned about MM now, it is hardly surprising he remains a person of interest.
Other suspects who allowed themselves to be investigated and questioned have been cleared and the investigation moved on. CB hasn't done that and remains the only suspect still in the frame.

 

[Megnut]

MM may have wandered out of her flat on her own, to search for her parents, and walked directly into harm's way. Doesn't make her less abducted.

Just because LE doesn't know exactly how she was taken doesn't mean she wasn't.

If she went quietly and her captor led her away without incidence, it's still a nightmare.

It was probably one of his easiest picks (burglaries). Too easy.

JMO