Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[Denis R Tandib]

HCW is a prosecutor not the ‘bad guy’.

There’s a strong argument that the evidence in the previous trial was absent because the judge wouldn’t allow it. She dismissed all digital evidence (nightmare for truth seekers)
Unless it was a cgi of an identifiable feature (scar) in the location Hazel said it would be…. And so on.
Does that mean there was an absence of evidence? Or does it mean there was an absence of evidence that could be used for a conviction?

It may well be that because they can’t use the box factory evidence they tell everyone what all of it is. Box factory evidence reveals have happened once, therefore likely nothing to prevent it happening again.
If that happens I think that’ll be the most challenging obstacle to create a counter narrative around. But that said, if it happens I’ll be absolutely fascinated to read what that counter narrative would be.

My opinion

Hang on a minute. An appeal was lodged in response to the outcome of the trial. If the verdict was wrong, the appeal would have been granted. It wasn’t.

I agree with you that the BKA and/or the prosecutors have a poor record of preventing leaks. However, they cannot leak evidence they do not have.

I’m sure they have emails that prove CB is disposable but so what, that’s a known fact.

What we know for certain is that they can’t prove abduction or murder on MM. That only proves that what they have is circumstantial and they themselves have made inferences from it.

It’s like a story about a prosecutor who thought he’d solved the world’s biggest mystery - attention grabbing but ultimately nonsense.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Agree. There's often not a shortage of a violent sex criminal in the radio of any town or city, let alone in a boarders-open continent in the case of E.U. citizens. CB's crimes and M.O. are all over the place - anything could be built around this suspect. None of it suggests a skilled criminal with connection to 'international rings', or whatever this means. And it's curious how whenever a suspect is paraded to the media, a bunch of sketchy people that knew them for years show up to say something that this person allegedly told them once in a drunken party.

At this point, anyone should be able to look at this for what it is. Many things can be true: CB can be a creep and a sex criminal that should not be allowed to walk free for previous offenses; the German police have nothing substantial to tie him to Madeleine McCann's case; the lead German spokesperson could be convinced of this conclusion but also out to make a name for himself etc etc.

It's been YEARS since this guy was 'revealed' to the world. The authorities can not, at this point, build a case against him regarding MM. No digging around Algarve has changed this so far.

Yes, I think we can agree that CB has been exhaustively investigated for nine years - there’s just no evidence!

 

[frank-cole]

Hang on a minute. An appeal was lodged in response to the outcome of the trial. If the verdict was wrong, the appeal would have been granted. It wasn’t.

I agree with you that the BKA and/or the prosecutors have a poor record of preventing leaks. However, they cannot leak evidence they do not have.

I’m sure they have emails that prove CB is disposable but so what, that’s a known fact.

What we know for certain is that they can’t prove abduction or murder on MM. That only proves that what they have is circumstantial and they themselves have made inferences from it.

It’s like a story about a prosecutor who thought he’d solved the world’s biggest mystery - attention grabbing but ultimately nonsense.

I don’t think HCW is using the case for public exposure because he wants to go on the next season of strictly come dancing. He’s after people calling in with leads.

So if it turns out they do have digital evidence of murder HCW would be right, wouldn’t he?

 

[frank-cole]

Yes, I think we can agree that CB has been exhaustively investigated for nine years - there’s just no evidence!

If there was no evidence they wouldn’t be involved. There have literally been thousands of tip- offs, hundreds of eye witness sightings. If people just came out of the woodwork to investigate nothing there’d have been thousands of multimillion pound investigations.

 

[Hexe]

If there was no evidence they wouldn’t be involved. There have literally been thousands of tip- offs, hundreds of eye witness sightings. If people just came out of the woodwork to investigate nothing there’d have been 10-15 thousand investigations.

As if there were no costly wild goose chases in any investigation ever. There are multiple examples of investigators focusing on a wrong suspect for years.

 

[Davieson]

Yes, I think we can agree that CB has been exhaustively investigated for nine years - there’s just no evidence!

I do wonder how much more effort BKA will put into this and likewise OG

 

[Davieson]

I don’t think HCW is using the case for public exposure because he wants to go on the next season of strictly come dancing. He’s after people calling in with leads.

So if it turns out they do have digital evidence of murder HCW would be right, wouldn’t he?

Its a big IF. IMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don’t think HCW is using the case for public exposure because he wants to go on the next season of strictly come dancing. He’s after people calling in with leads.

So if it turns out they do have digital evidence of murder HCW would be right, wouldn’t he?

HCW said they had the evidence they needed to charge CB. That was three years ago. CB is now being prepared for release with being charged. Therefore, HCW lied. I’m not okay with that, no one looking for the truth should be.

These questions about unspecified “digital evidence” are pointless. We know they have emails and images. We also know that they do not directly implicate CB in any crime against MM… because there hasn’t been a charge.

I don’t think any further evidence will be released because German’s don’t like the feeling of embarrassment - a certainty if we were to find out what they have.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I do wonder how much more effort BKA will put into this and likewise OG

You can only chase a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow for so long… especially when all they end up with is a crock of $hit.

Until the people who really know what happened start speaking, I think all three investigations will be shelved.

 

[frank-cole]

As if there were no costly wild goose chases in any investigation ever. There are multiple examples of investigators focusing on a wrong suspect for years.

It’s important to take it into context. As my gran would say - sometimes people need to think with their heads & not with their hearts.


A German prosecution doesn’t just pop up out of absolutely nowhere to go after a random suspect, try to attention seek & rain on people’s parades. That’s not the way it works.

 

[frank-cole]

HCW said they had the evidence they needed to charge CB. That was three years ago. CB is now being prepared for release with being charged. Therefore, HCW lied. I’m not okay with that, no one looking for the truth should be.

These questions about unspecified “digital evidence” are pointless. We know they have emails and images. We also know that they do not directly implicate CB in any crime against MM… because there hasn’t been a charge.

I don’t think any further evidence will be released because German’s don’t like the feeling of embarrassment - a certainty if we were to find out what they have.

Impossible to say somebody lied when one doesn’t know if they have what they say the do.

I understand the hesitation to answer that hypothetical.

 

[Hexe]

A German prosecution doesn’t just pop up out of absolutely nowhere to go after a random suspect, try to attention seek & rain on people’s parades. That’s not the way it works.

First, German prosecution is not somehow immune to tunnel vision and bias. Second, if we wsnt to speak anout context, CB was not a random suspect, but a man Braunschweig prosecutor office wanted (and still wants) very much to put in jail with a long-term sentence. That itch the Braunschweig prosecutors seems to have is something that can produce a tunnel vision.

 

[Davieson]

First, German prosecution is not somehow immune to tunnel vision and bias. Second, if we wsnt to speak anout context, CB was not a random suspect, but a man Braunschweig prosecutor office wanted (and still wants) very much to put in jail with a long-term sentence. That itch the Braunschweig prosecutors seems to have is something that can produce a tunnel vision.

Absolutely. IMO this is their main motivation, as I think is demonstrated by their eagerness to dredge up a range of historical charges.

 

[frank-cole]

First, German prosecution is not somehow immune to tunnel vision and bias. Second, if we wsnt to speak anout context, CB was not a random suspect, but a man Braunschweig prosecutor office wanted (and still wants) very much to put in jail with a long-term sentence. That itch the Braunschweig prosecutors seems to have is something that can produce a tunnel vision.

I appreciate your opinion, however I think it’s probably far simpler than any of that.

I think they’re investigating a child’s murder because they have evidence a child was murdered.

 

[Davieson]

It started off with a statement by a "friend" which was construed as a confession of murder.
Despite years of trying, BKA have not been able to establish that claim or provide evidence to put before a court.

 

[RichardKimble]

May of this year, in reference to the supposed new evidence presented by the Sun.

German police issue statement on Madeleine McCann hard drive discovery 'showing evidence she's dead'

It has been 18 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal

www.ladbible.com

A spokesperson for local force, Braunschweig police, told LADbible: "I can't comment on the documentary because I haven't seen it. In my opinion, the article in The Sun doesn't contain any real news and also contains few direct references to Madeleine McCann.

"I assume the article was published only because of the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance and not because of the timeliness of the alleged evidence."

 

[frank-cole]

May of this year, in reference to the supposed new evidence presented by the Sun.

German police issue statement on Madeleine McCann hard drive discovery 'showing evidence she's dead'

It has been 18 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal

www.ladbible.com

A spokesperson for local force, Braunschweig police, told LADbible: "I can't comment on the documentary because I haven't seen it. In my opinion, the article in The Sun doesn't contain any real news and also contains few direct references to Madeleine McCann.

"I assume the article was published only because of the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance and not because of the timeliness of the alleged

Does the ladsbible have a direct quote from somebody who isn’t anonymous? I’m not sure what article they’re referring to given that things were shown in a 40 minute documentary.

I don’t think any of us are naive enough to believe the sun would have access to any of the evidence related to MM, let alone publish it.

It’s about his criminality, his profile & the things they found. E.g scar, pictures of himself naked at the dam, revolvers, ‘MaidAnnelie’ story & pictures of children with notes & numbers written on them. All paints a picture.

I’d recommend watching the documentary.

 

[frank-cole]

It started off with a statement by a "friend" which was construed as a confession of murder.
Despite years of trying, BKA have not been able to establish that claim or provide evidence to put before a court.

Although no conclusion would be ‘good news’. I think that charging or not, the evidence will be released. I expect digital proof of murder.

 

[Davieson]

Although no conclusion would be ‘good news’. I think that charging or not, the evidence will be released. I expect digital proof of murder.

I have insufficient knowledge of Germany Law to make such a statement. I prefer to wait and see.

 

[frank-cole]

I have insufficient knowledge of Germany Law to make such a statement. I prefer to wait and see.

I understand why some will be hesitant to comment about possible evidence against CB that may go public in the future.