Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[Megnut]

Knowing who killed someone and being able to prove it are often two distinct things. Some criminals are good, some are lucky. It must be painfully frustrating to have unusable evidence and watch a prime suspect walk free.

If there's no legal reason to hold CB, he gets to walk free. But surviving victims must be terrified. I won't be surprised if he disappears into the night.

It's where he reappears that should terrify everyone.

JMO

 

[RichardKimble]

Knowing who killed someone and being able to prove it are often two distinct things. Some criminals are good, some are lucky. It must be painfully frustrating to have unusable evidence and watch a prime suspect walk free.

If there's no legal reason to hold CB, he gets to walk free. But surviving victims must be terrified. I won't be surprised if he disappears into the night.

It's where he reappears that should terrify everyone.

JMO

If the BKA know CB killed MM then they must have compelling evidence, or do they think he killed her but there's not enough to proceed to the next step? there's a difference.

 

[Megnut]

If the BKA know CB killed MM then they must have compelling evidence, or do they think he killed her but there's not enough to proceed to the next step? there's a difference.

I think they have inadmissable evidence.

Without it, nearly impossible to secure a conviction.

And yes, I think it's compelling evidence. It's just not usable in court IMO.

But compelling enough to solve the case, just not bring it to trial.

JMO

 

[RandyMcDonald]

I think they have inadmissable evidence.

Without it, nearly impossible to secure a conviction.

And yes, I think it's compelling evidence. It's just not usable in court IMO.

But compelling enough to solve the case, just not bring it to trial.

JMO

Could it be something like digital media showing that she was dead? The file might have existed in CB's custody and be proof that she was dead but simply having that file would not be proof of CB having killed her

 

[Megnut]

Had BK been convicted of his recent charges and sentenced to a lengthy or life term, I wonder if LE would have released/divulged what they believed happened to MM. Or the family or a private investigator. Satisfied to rest the case (reserving the right tto charge him down the road) --

A couple facts could seal it.

Theoretical examples -- a traffic stop uncovered near the location, a photograph containing anything related to MM, a witness who could describe something no one could possibly know unless they learned it from the abductor, anything that shouldn't have been in the possession of CB, like a hair from MM's mom (stray transfer), writings from CB describing something about a particular little that no one could possibly know unless they were on the company of MM...

None, enough to convict.

But enough pieces/pixels for a picture to emerge.

JMO

 

[RichardKimble]

Had BK been convicted of his recent charges and sentenced to a lengthy or life term, I wonder if LE would have released/divulged what they believed happened to MM. Or the family or a private investigator. Satisfied to rest the case (reserving the right tto charge him down the road) --

A couple facts could seal it.

Theoretical examples -- a traffic stop uncovered near the location, a photograph containing anything related to MM, a witness who could describe something no one could possibly know unless they learned it from the abductor, anything that shouldn't have been in the possession of CB, like a hair from MM's mom (stray transfer), writings from CB describing something about a particular little that no one could possibly know unless they were on the company of MM...

None, enough to convict.

But enough pieces/pixels for a picture to emerge.

JMO

No forensics so that rules out a hair.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

No forensics so that rules out a hair.

The thing that gets me is what German police felt capable of confirming to Madeleine's parents that she was dead. That speaks of a degree of certainly that a nearby traffic camera sighting would not provide.

 

[Davieson]

Had BK been convicted of his recent charges and sentenced to a lengthy or life term, I wonder if LE would have released/divulged what they believed happened to MM. Or the family or a private investigator. Satisfied to rest the case (reserving the right tto charge him down the road) --

A couple facts could seal it.

Theoretical examples -- a traffic stop uncovered near the location, a photograph containing anything related to MM, a witness who could describe something no one could possibly know unless they learned it from the abductor, anything that shouldn't have been in the possession of CB, like a hair from MM's mom (stray transfer), writings from CB describing something about a particular little that no one could possibly know unless they were on the company of MM...

None, enough to convict.

But enough pieces/pixels for a picture to emerge.

JMO

Hypothetical rather than theoretical.

 

[Megnut]

No forensics so that rules out a hair.

It was hypothetical -- but for argument's sake, if there was a degree of separation (like her mother's hair, not hers) technically it's not direct evidence and therefore is maybe a step away from forensic evidence, in a way that an actual hair of MM's might be. Additionally I don't know where that court is on the admissibility of maternal/mitochondrial matches, etc.

But a hair that reasonably came from MM's mom (if such a thing existed in this case) was in CB's possession, it just shouldn't be so that would be very compelling evidence for me.

I've maintained all along that I think he is the lead and only suspect and that their strongest evidence is shows linkage. It may be ill-got, inadmissable or otherwise but I do believe it exists.

And it points to no one else.

JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

No forensics so that rules out a hair.

No charge, that rules out any direct evidence including a photo.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The thing that gets me is what German police felt capable of confirming to Madeleine's parents that she was dead. That speaks of a degree of certainly that a nearby traffic camera sighting would not provide.

Did they do that?

I am fairly sure the correspondence would have said CB was being investigated for MM’s death. I would be very surprised if they told them they had evidence proving her death.

This puts CB in the same class as RM, the McCanns themselves and the burglars OG investigated. The rest of the media shenanigans were to put CB under pressure and to try and flush out more witnesses.

It’s all a far-fetched tale with no substance.

 

[RichardKimble]

The thing that gets me is what German police felt capable of confirming to Madeleine's parents that she was dead. That speaks of a degree of certainly that a nearby traffic camera sighting would not provide.

Did they?

Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'

Kate and Gerry McCann said the reports had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives".

news.sky.com

 

[RichardKimble]

Did they do that?

I am fairly sure the correspondence would have said CB was being investigated for MM’s death. I would be very surprised if they told them they had evidence proving her death.

This puts CB in the same class as RM, the McCanns themselves and the burglars OG investigated. The rest of the media shenanigans were to put CB under pressure and to try and flush out more witnesses.

It’s all a far-fetched tale with no substance.

The only evidence they have is what HeB told them, we know from the unrelated trial how unreliable his testimony is.

 

[RichardKimble]

The following is from June 2020, the case remains the same now as then, you cannot find what is not there.

'Some evidence' Madeleine McCann is dead, say German authorities

Appeal for further information as authorities investigate convicted child sex offender

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hexe]

The thing that gets me is what German police felt capable of confirming to Madeleine's parents that she was dead. That speaks of a degree of certainly that a nearby traffic camera sighting would not provide.

That did not happen though.

The MET says:

The Met received one letter from the Bundeskriminalamt (BKA) [German Federal Criminal Police Office] on June 12, which was passed to the family.

"The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead - the Met continue to investigate Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.

The McCanns say:

The widely reported news that we have received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is false,

I must say the behaviour of Wolters baffles me from the very beginning. The German prosecutors are usually very careful about what and how much they share with the media abd usually they do not share much until they have their ducks in the row and the case is all neat and ready to be sent to the court. What Wolters does here, running his mouth so carelessly and turning this case into a media show is in highest degree unusual. Is he even aware he can destroy his own career with that?

 

[RichardKimble]

DBM

 

[RichardKimble]

@Hexe , found it.

https://www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/notices/operation-grange

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I think they have inadmissable evidence.

Without it, nearly impossible to secure a conviction.

And yes, I think it's compelling evidence. It's just not usable in court IMO.

But compelling enough to solve the case, just not bring it to trial.

JMO

This is also my opinion, re: what is most likely. That there is evidence that wasn't legally collected and so can't be used. They seemed ready to charge if the evidence was going to be admissable. It explains the course of events. Of course it's possible <modsnip>

 

[Davieson]

This is also my opinion, re: what is most likely. That there is evidence that wasn't legally collected and so can't be used. They seemed ready to charge if the evidence was going to be admissable. It explains the course of events. Of course it's possible <modsnip>

In the absence of absolute proof, anything is possible

 

[frank-cole]

This is also my opinion, re: what is most likely. That there is evidence that wasn't legally collected and so can't be used. They seemed ready to charge if the evidence was going to be admissable. It explains the course of events. Of course it's possible <modsnip>

Yes - the difference between the comments that they could charge & the comments they couldn’t is the trial. It’s a very basic thing to notice & understand.

The judge not allowing any of the digital evidence writes it off in the MM case. They now have to seek out new ways to gather as much of the original content as possible. The written accounts at the box factory are now gone, therefore stories like the one about ‘MaidAnnelie’ are no longer of use to them. But given his habit of sharing things with other pests & that they already have some email duplicates of the box factory evidence I am guessing there’s a good chance he’s done it more.

There will forever be l’resistance, irrespective of what happens with CB. But imo the evidence they’ll have is far beyond a matter of opinion. Imo MM’s grieving family will get the answers & the case from a ‘who-done-it’ perspective, is closed. However justice may not be done because of the factors mentioned.

I think the details of the evidence will be released at some point. It may spoil a few parties but I think it’s important that they provide that closure even if they don’t reach an arrest threshold.