Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

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In the post linked it is said the person in question was 18, so not underage. And it is hard to gauge what source is quoted, and therefore how reliable it is.
The age of consent in Portugal and Germany is 14, so if the girl was sneaking away then it's likely she doesn't want to be identified , probably has a life to lead.



 
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If being the qualifying word, but back to the digital image or imaginary digital evidence,would you not consider it cruel in the least to have not explained to the foreign office at least that they have evidence MM is dead, the official find MM page still says no evidence of harm to MM, the SY line is still a missing persons case.
If that’s because they need to keep their evidence private, then it may just be process & also not nice for the family.

What the foreign office think & what the internet page says, doesn’t play much into my thinking. The more important question is what makes them absolutely certain MM was murdered.

IMO
They have very clear proof that MM was murdered. But they don’t have an airtight case against CB.

Which rules out a hit & run or an accident & a commercial refrigeration unit.

That'll be gut wrenching for the family.

When you think about it, it would be a ‘lose lose’ for us. 1 - No justice 2 - Conspiracy over
 
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No, it was not NF.
Was this the ‘alibi’ who said she spent some time with him around that time but couldn’t actually account for his whereabouts on the night itself?
 
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CB wrote to MWT and said he had an 'alibi' for the night of May 3, which MWT checked out, but it turned out there is no alibi at all.
The non alibi was a holiday 'fling' according to MWT. It was not NF.


Madeleine McCann: The Case Against Christian B

That surprises me from MWT, because an 8 year old with a plastic cop badge could grasp that an ‘alibi’ isn’t an alibi if an alibi can’t be provided.

I’d explain it to them like this - it’s not raining if it isn’t raining.
 
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Not that an alibi is needed as there are no charges.
 
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Not that an alibi is needed as there are no charges.
We weren’t talking about charges we were talking about the non alibi.
 
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No charges.......yet.
 
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Nicole F. said from the beginning that she did not know whether Brückner had parked his vehicle at her place at night. In any case, he was not with her the next morning either. Brückner later stated that he had been with a 17-year-old German woman who was on vacation with her parents. However, this could not commit to the relevant date at any time.
 
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Just for context to remind ppl (correct me if I am wrong):
For the night in question:
1. NF said that she thought he was driving from on the night but she could not account for his whereabouts. Perhaps he parked and slept in his van outside her house in Foral.

Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing,
While the most direct route would not have taken him through Praia da Luz, Ms Fehlinger does not recall him arriving at her house that night.
'I don’t know if he came late that night and parked his vehicle outside and slept in there, and left that morning again, or he did not turn up,’ she said.
2. Then CB himself also wrote to MWT that at the time he was sleeping with a 17 year old German girl and on the night in question he was having sex with her in his van and next day she flew back to Germany. Turned out this happened a week later.

Link as above from MWT documentary and subsequent discussion here.

3. Another gf at the time said that she had been with CB the night before and he told her next day he had a horrible job to do.

Brueckner's former British girlfriend claims she had a chilling conversation with him over dinner the night before Madeleine was abducted, the Sun reported.
The woman claims Brueckner, then 30, told her: “I have a job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow. It’s a horrible job but it’s something I have to do and it will change my life. You won’t be seeing me for a while.”

 
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Nicole F. said from the beginning that she did not know whether Brückner had parked his vehicle at her place at night. In any case, he was not with her the next morning either. Brückner later stated that he had been with a 17-year-old German woman who was on vacation with her parents. However, this could not commit to the relevant date at any time.
Yeah that's right, here's a Link.......:)


‘He said he liked small bodies of women and he liked the bodies of girls before they reached puberty,’ she said.
Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing,
While the most direct route would not have taken him through Praia da Luz, Ms Fehlinger does not recall him arriving at her house that night.
‘I don’t know if he came late that night and parked his vehicle outside and slept in there, and left that morning again, or he did not turn up,’ she said."

 
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If that’s because they need to keep their evidence private, then it may just be process & also not nice for the family.

What the foreign office think & what the internet page says, doesn’t play much into my thinking. The more important question is what makes them absolutely certain MM was murdered.

IMO
They have very clear proof that MM was murdered. But they don’t have an airtight case against CB.

Which rules out a hit & run or an accident & a commercial refrigeration unit.

That'll be gut wrenching for the family.

When you think about it, it would be a ‘lose lose’ for us. 1 - No justice 2 - Conspiracy over
BIB^

It keeps being posted that there is some definitive evidence that MM is dead. Obtaining the caller details would then confirm CB was in the area and that would be sufficient for a charge.

This is not correct. Wolters needs the caller details to complete the chain of evidence for his circumstantial case. What they have suggests CB is responsible but is nowhere near a slam dunk.

A photo or damning emails would be definitive - this evidence would stand on its own and would justify a charge - this is for certain.

It is precisely because the caller is so important to the case that we can rule out any direct evidence.

For further context, a photo of MM found in CB’s possession would qualify so would emails discussing MM’s death around 3/5 2007.

There is no direct evidence.
 
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BIB^

It keeps being posted that there is some definitive evidence that MM is dead. Obtaining the caller details would then confirm CB was in the area and that would be sufficient for a charge.

This is not correct. Wolters needs the caller details to complete the chain of evidence for his circumstantial case. What they have suggests CB is responsible but is nowhere near a slam dunk.

A photo or damning emails would be definitive - this evidence would stand on its own and would justify a charge - this is for certain.

It is precisely because the caller is so important to the case that we can rule out any direct evidence.

For further context, a photo of MM found in CB’s possession would qualify so would emails discussing MM’s death around 3/5 2007.

There is no direct evidence.
A photo of a dead MM and nothing else on the photo, how can this prove CB murdered her?
He could have downloaded it from the darkweb or got it from someone else it would prove nothing unless there are identifying parts of CBs body on it or a background that could be connected to him and even the background wouldnt prove he killed her
 
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A photo of a dead MM and nothing else on the photo, how can this prove CB murdered her?
He could have downloaded it from the darkweb or got it from someone else it would prove nothing unless there are identifying parts of CBs body on it or a background that could be connected to him and even the background wouldnt prove he killed her
It’s not in isolation though is it. They have a circumstantial case too. This and an image of MM post 3/5 would almost certainly be enough to obtain a conviction.

It’s likely the question of admissibility will also be raised. Even if the box factory search was illegal, the prosecutors have the ability to use the evidence - what is important is the truth.

In the rape trials, the judge found the digital evidence to be insufficient. If there is credible reporting of it being deemed “inadmissible” can someone please share it?
 
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