Magnotta March Prelim Hearing & Trial Day 1 - Sep 29, 2014 - Thread #1

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Here's Rubert - he looks scared to death:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 37s37 seconds ago
Beginning of chat messages: May 31, 2012. Must have been others before? Yes, but didn't take them out, must have erased them

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 21s22 seconds ago
RT @sidhartha_b: Right now, #Magnotta's lawyer is asking Rubert about this article, which appeared Sept. 2014 - bz.berlin.de ...

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 55s55 seconds ago
So it appears Rubert likes talking to German media about his role in sensational #Magnotta case

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Rubert now reading from chats with #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s57 seconds ago
1st chat msg: Witness reads aloud, "Hi, nice impression, nice to meet you, greetings, Frank." #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 31s31 seconds ago
Next May 31: "Hello, I am seeking a residence, Seeking friendly man to live." #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 25s25 seconds ago
on May 31, 2012 #Magnotta saying he's looking to live with a friendly man

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 21s21 seconds ago
Three min later:"I will come to like me and to live with me if you want to live in Neukoln." #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 40s40 seconds ago
Rubert is inviting #magnotta to come stay with him via chat on GayRomeo

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 42s42 seconds ago
Reading from chat with #Magnotta on gayromeo : Rubert inviting him to live with him in Berlin

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 37s37 seconds ago
Repeats met on GayRomeo, feelings of attraction, #Magnotta was nice, had different profile pic.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 46s47 seconds ago
There was certain attraction through the chats, Rubert said. #Magnotta could come stay if he paid for it himself

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19s20 seconds ago
"That will be great if you are serious because I am," #Magnotta responds

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 31s31 seconds ago
Next msg from William2323 four min later:"That will be great. Are you serious because I am." #Magnotta

 

[Sillybilly]

Sidhartha Banerjee ‏@sidhartha_b · 33s33 seconds ago
Jury is hearing contents of back-and-forth texts between Rubert, under the name Avira, and #Magnotta , under the name william2323

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 19s20 seconds ago
Witness looks exasperated on the stand, as Me Leclair asks interpreter to translate messages exchanged with #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Their chats were through Google translate and almost unintelligible

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Next:"Yes,was like you.In order to here with me,you are only here in Berlin &if you want to exactly how to more than today come."

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
Translation isn't simple, as they're reading stuff initially translated through Google

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 51s52 seconds ago
Rubert gives #Magnotta his cell and home phone numbers. you can stay with me as long as you want to, he writes

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 48s49 seconds ago
Rubert offers #Magnotta place to stay as long as he wants

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 37s38 seconds ago
Nxt:"Ok,then I can you here in Berlin make you my cell phone # or landline #.You can stay w/ me as long as you want to w/ me."

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 20s21 seconds ago
Rubert said that when he chatted with #Magnotta he had a different profile picture than reality so said he could stay

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 20s20 seconds ago
These chats have been translated by Google translate so that explains the gobblygook

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 19s19 seconds ago
"Did you mean that?" Offer to stay was based on a different profile picture. #Magnotta looked different in real life, Rubert says.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 12s12 seconds ago
Rubert bemoans the Google translation of #Magnotta's messages He's not alone

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 31s31 seconds ago
"I love you!!! Thank you!!!!" #Magnotta responded. "I need help. I am lost and I thank you."

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19s19 seconds ago
I love you, #Magnotta says. thank you, i write your number and buy ticket. I need help. I am lost, he writes in chat

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 41s41 seconds ago
Nxt:"I love you, thank you. Ok I write your number, I buy ticket. YOu are very, very kind. I need help." From #Magnotta to witness.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 10s10 seconds ago
#Magnotta writes he's lost and needs help but Rubert didn't know what he meant by that

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 35s36 seconds ago
Witness didn't know what #Magnotta meant by needing help.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 31s32 seconds ago
"I need help, I'm lost" message reads #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 28s29 seconds ago
Rubert didn't know what #Magnotta meant by saying he was "lost."

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 31s32 seconds ago
http://ow.ly/i/79HYj An image of the position Rubert just read: "ILOVE YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! ... you are very very kind!!!"

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 18s19 seconds ago
Google translator is not always reliable, witness says .

 

[Sillybilly]

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 3m3 minutes ago
Leclair asks, so you didn't know what #Magnotta meant when he said he was "lost." Rubert says he didn't.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 3m3 minutes ago
Didn't know "at first" what #Magnotta meant by saying "I need help." Asked whether he was told not to give interviews @ his testimony? No.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
No one told you, judge or police in Berlin, not to give interviews before the trial? No, witness says. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says two days ago, Canadian officer or embassy in Berlin said before testimony in Cnd court, I shouldn't talk about case. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Two days ago, Cdn embassy in Berlin told me I shouldn't talk about this case, Rubert says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence asking about a brothel. Crown objects, wants a question asked.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta looks young in photo, Rubert says. Maybe 21, 22, 23

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Asking about #Magnotta in photo, witness says he looks 22, 23.

 

[Sillybilly]

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 52s53 seconds ago
In article, agrees he said he and #Magnotta went to a Berlin male brothel, Blue Boy Bar

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says they went to a men's brothel, Blue Boys Bar.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 57s58 seconds ago
Rubert, under cross-examination, says he and #Magnotta went to a "men's brothel" called Blue Boy Bar.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 31s32 seconds ago
Rubert testifies he and #Magnotta went to a brothel named Blue Boy Bar in Berlin

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 52s53 seconds ago
Rubert said No, he wasn't told not to do interviews.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 52s53 seconds ago
Rubert says he told truth in testimony, but Leclair says he never told about the brother. Rubert says it was never asked

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
You didn't ask, Rubert responds

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s59 seconds ago
Witness says yes,he was telling the truth before at prelim.But defence suggests he didn't tell them.Not asked then, witness says.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Over 3 hours you were asked many questions about what you did with #Magnotta, Leclair said. You didn't mention Blue Boy Bar

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 59s60 seconds ago
Leclair: you were questioned for hours, asked many Qs - friends you'd seen, places you'd been - you never mentioned the brothel

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 53s54 seconds ago
Defence says witness was asked many questions, places they had been, never mentioned Blue Boy Bar. Witness said they were in bars

 

[Kamille]

FR keeps saying that the profile picture on GayRomeo was different than real life. I've seen a lot of pictures of LM and while he changes things up, you can definitely see that it's always him. So did he use some other person's picture entirely on GayRomeo to try to find a guy to sponge off of anywhere but Paris? Was he cognizant that he was now a wanted man and was not willing to use his real pic at first? And why did that change when he was staying with FR because apparently FR took pics of LM and helped him update his GayRomeo profile. Or was that why the naked pic had his head cut off? Is that the only pic that went online?

He was also using the name Kurt Trummell (sp?) and had a tag on his laptop case with that name and a New York address.

 

[Sillybilly]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 26s26 seconds ago
I suggest you were so drunk or you confused some meetings with him with other events in your life, Leclair says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 43s44 seconds ago
Defence suggests witness was so very drunk or confused some meetings with #Magnotta with some other events in his life and don't remember.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 34s35 seconds ago
Leclair is suggesting the witness doesn't quite remember his time with #Magnotta because the two were so inebriated.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 29s30 seconds ago
Witness says he remembers very well and during 4 days with #Magnotta, went to brothel or Blue Bar and possible he was drunk

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
But witness says he's been drinking for 30 years and knows what he's doing.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
But witness says he's been drinking for 30 years and knows what he's doing.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Rubert says during the four days with #Magnotta I was drunk, went to bars but after 30 years of drinking i know what I'm doing

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Rubert says during the four days with #Magnotta I was drunk, went to bars but after 30 years of drinking i know what I'm doing

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 55s55 seconds ago
Leclair just suggested that he was so drunk or confused some meetings with him with other events in his life, Leclair says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 50s50 seconds ago
Tell reporter about finding the wig? Yes, that's right

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 32s33 seconds ago
But why use another name in this interview? Witness says the name was in the papers 2 years ago

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 46s47 seconds ago
"I remember very well," time with #Magnotta .Maybe drunk but "I've been drinking for 30 yrs already and I still know what I am doing.".

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 28s29 seconds ago
Witness says he'd get anonymous calls that are not really friendly in contact with #Magnotta.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 35s35 seconds ago
In order to protect someone in Germany, you have to give another name.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 33s33 seconds ago
Leclair asks why Rubert spoke with the reporter using a different name.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 51s52 seconds ago
Defence lawyer suggests to Rubert he was so drunk he forgot important things

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 51s52 seconds ago
Defence lawyer suggests to Rubert he was so drunk he forgot important things

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 29s29 seconds ago
Witness says newspaper could have taken any name. Even on tv, they say "name changed."

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 46s47 seconds ago
Witness: first, it was the same name used 2 years prior. And it's for safety. The newspaper changed the name and indicated so.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 29s29 seconds ago
But you allowed them to put your photo in the paper, Leclair points out. Under photo is name Bernd S

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 19s19 seconds ago
But agrees he let his photo be taken and published.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 35s35 seconds ago
Leclair is bringing up the fact that even though his name was changed in the article, his picture is still featured.

 

[Sillybilly]

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 46s46 seconds ago
Leclair points out that he wanted his name changed, so why did he let them run a photo? Caption on photo says he'll be in Canada

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 54s54 seconds ago
Rubert taken to task for giving a newspaper interview, using an alias. Says he wanted to avoid harassing phone calls

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 50s50 seconds ago
But defence says witness's photo in paper &cutline mentions them &coming to Can for the trial.Witness says knew this from lawyer.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s45 seconds ago
No one at court hearing in Berlin, how did paper get info? Witness says his lawyer had info, papers went to see him

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9s9 seconds ago
My two years spent in Germany in the 80s finally pays off

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 43s43 seconds ago
Witness says wants to stress his name was changed in the article

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
Defence says in article, witness made it sound it was a different person who slept in the same bed with #Magnotta. Witness denies.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 23s24 seconds ago
Rubert says newspapers don't have the right to publish peoples' names. Ich don't denk so, mein herr

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Are BZ and Bilt big newspapers? Yes, witness says. Bilt is everywhere in Germany, BZ only in Berlin.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 12s12 seconds ago
"You have a criminal record?" You have it in front of you, Rubert says. "So that is a yes?"

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 28s29 seconds ago
Rubert has criminal record starting in 1962 when he was "still a baby" He was born in 1961

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 49s49 seconds ago
You have a criminal record?You have it in front of you, witness says. SO that's a yes? Yes, he says. Since 1962? I was born in 61.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s42 seconds ago
Convicted of theft? Yes, if I remember, it was awhile ago. 1980, 9 counts of theft, 3 attempted theft? Yes

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 51s51 seconds ago
Rubert convicted of theft. In 1980 convicted of 9 counts of theft and three of attempted theft. Possible, Rubert says

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 42s42 seconds ago
Leclair pulls out Rubert's criminal record for theft, dating back to...1980!

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 27s27 seconds ago
Two years probation and one year youth custody? Witness says it's possible, it was awhile ago

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 57s58 seconds ago
Placed in one year youth custody. Possible, Rubert says, it was a long time ago

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 26s27 seconds ago
In May 1980, found guilty of two counts of theft. Given 15 months in youth detention.

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s60 seconds ago
Same year, two months later, May 1980, found guilty 2 counts theft, given 15 months youth penalty?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19s20 seconds ago
I'm wondering if you are going to make a criminal out of me? Rubert asks Leclair. It was nothing to do with #Magnotta Traveled 5000 km

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 52s52 seconds ago
Witness says wants to know if Leclair wants to make a criminal out of him and it was over 20 years ago, nothing to do with #

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 43s43 seconds ago
Rubert: This has nothing to do with #Magnotta. I travelled thousands of kilometres and I don't need to hear my record.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
"Are you going to make a criminal out of me? These are things, 20-30 yrs ago and I think it's got nothing to do with #Magnotta," he demands

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 49s50 seconds ago
I made 5000 km to come here and you are bringing these things up that have nothing to do with #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 41s42 seconds ago
Rubert: I came here to make thing clear. Not to be told about when I crossed the street and if the light was red

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 39s40 seconds ago
Rubert giving a piece of his mind to Leclair. Judge tells him he has to put up with it, under Canadian law

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Judge reminds witness he can be asked about his criminal record

 

[Kamille]

Why is Leclair wasting time on this stuff? None of FR's testimony is really all that riveting or game changing. He just makes up the part of the story as to how LM got from Paris to Berlin and why. Again...how does FR's criminal record, obvious decision to make money off his encounter with LM and his drunken imagination on their brief time together show that LM was mentally ill? Sounds like he was behaving normally...for Luka Magnotta. Question still is, is Luka Magnotta criminally insane?

Not sure Leclair is doing his client any favours by pointing out that everyone LM has contact with is as deviant as he is. They're not all insane Leclair. And I dare say...neither is your client.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

I don't understand where this is going, either :/

 

[Sillybilly]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
In Germany it's not like this, Rubert says. You can read something and I will say yes once and that's it

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Justice Cournoyer explains to Rubert that Canadian law allows for anyone to be questioned about their criminal record

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Rubert says he didn't fly 5000 km to discuss his old criminal record at #Magnotta trial. Very angry and frustrated.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says ok, read it once and then I'll answer once. I live in Germany and I'm not accused in Canada.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
"I came 5000km to testify and you ask me about these things"?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness getting a bit testy. I live in Germany and am not accused in Canada, he says

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Rubert explains that's not the way it operates in Germany and says he'll listen to the charges read out once. Leclair continues.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence says he'll skip the one about driving without a licence and move on to Aug 10th where he interfered with informant.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Found guilty three times of resisting police officers, Leclair says. Rubert says its called resistance against the state

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says in German, called resistance against the state power/authority.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Rupert found guilty of resisting arrest three times in early 80s.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s57 seconds ago
Defence mentions in two cases: criminal damage, theft,attempted theft, attempted coersion. Got 2 years youth custody?

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 35s35 seconds ago
Witness says it's when you call a policeman an idiot, when police interrogating someone, it's 30 years ago

 

[Kamille]

I don't understand where this is going, either :/

It's like he's trying to discredit a witness. Discredit him with what though? Yes LM met him online on a gay website and yes he invited LM to come to his home. The obvious inability for them to communicate means that FR is no character judge of LM's demeanor. The fact that LM did not hack FR up shows that he was not suffering from "delusions" during that time.

Move on already Leclair.... geez :gaah:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

By the way...does LM have a criminal record?

 

[italianWSfan]

I love his answers!
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

Thank you all for the tweets!

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s45 seconds ago
Witness says you get older and more mature, don't know anyone who is perfect at least in Germany

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 51s52 seconds ago
I don't know anyone who is perfect, at least in Germany, Rubert says. These were things from 30 years ago; people grow up

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 18s19 seconds ago
Defence mentions more convictions of theft/fraud in 24 cases,given two years jail?Witness says those were Euro cheques & not docs.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 27s28 seconds ago
Rubert did two years in jail in 84 for cheque fraud. Served 9 more months in 86 for another fraud case

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s58 seconds ago
Defence cites fraudulent claim conviction and 9 months in jail, correct? Aug '86? Witness says, not proud you read it out to me.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 27s28 seconds ago
May10,1988,Berlin:guilty of falsification certificates in coincidence w/conspiracy to defraud in 12 cases.Witness questions which

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18s19 seconds ago
Rubert says there was no conspiracy. Driving without licence. That's right, Rubert says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 37s37 seconds ago
In 1993, two offences with physical injury in one case, Leclair says. Fined but no jail.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 36s36 seconds ago
Rubert was then sentenced to 3 more years in 1988, again for fraud

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s44 seconds ago
1993, July 12, Berlin:two cases with physical assault in one. Fine instead of jail. Witness says it's municipal court.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 34s34 seconds ago
Rubert fined in 1993 for physical assault at Berlin municipal court

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 58s59 seconds ago
That was municipal court, Rubert says. I paid fine right away

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 53s54 seconds ago
Witness doesn't remember attack and he paid the fine.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair then said that in 1993, two offences with physical injury in one case. Fined but no jail.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 19s19 seconds ago
In 1994, arrested again on "false suspicion" (?) jail, probation

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s43 seconds ago
Guilty of resistance against enforcement officer? 6 mos jail, 2 yrs probation? 1994. Witness says, don't remember

Sidhartha Banerjee ‏@sidhartha_b · 58s58 seconds ago
Rubert has made it clear he doesn't appreciate the exercise, but #Magnotta lawyer is continuing to go through criminal past. Now up to 1995.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
1995, June 13: Guilty of dangerous driving while drunk, with physical injury due to negligence and no licence. 5 mos prison?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s46 seconds ago
in 1995 Rubert found guilty of dangerous driving while drunk causing injury. Driving without licence. Prison for 5 mths.

Sidhartha Banerjee ‏@sidhartha_b · 2m2 minutes ago
"I am wondering are you going to make a criminal out of me?' Rubert asks, saying crimes from 30 yrs ago have nothing to do with

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 34s34 seconds ago
Witness says had licence, was drunk,bumped into somebody, they took licence &went back to car,went to police, get back licence

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 35s36 seconds ago
1996, Rubert found guilty of sexual abuse of a minor. Did 2 and a half years in jail.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Went to prison for sex with minor? Witness says sometimes people present themselves differently in a chat

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 44s44 seconds ago
Rubert also convicted of sexual abuse of children. He's saying some people present themselves differently in chats. kids online

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 36s36 seconds ago
Witness says people make themselves younger or older online

 

[Kamille]

I love his answers!
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

Thank you all for the tweets!

I know :giggle: He was holding his own pretty good there until the judge put a damper on the party and made him answer the questions. And we really need to do something about the fact that the person on trial cannot have their past records brought up but the witnesses can. Especially a witness who is not providing pivotal testimony, just factual information about a time frame.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

By the way...does LM have a criminal record?

Credit card fraud. Much was made of his mental illness at his trial.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...magnottas-mind/article4446492/?service=mobile

 

[Sillybilly]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 44s45 seconds ago
Blames the victim for passing himself off as much older

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 29s30 seconds ago
Some young people make themselves older online, Rubert says. I don't know whether it was a child

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Defence says it was two counts sexual abuse of a child. Witness says don't know, child said different at the time

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 24s25 seconds ago
Found guilty of sexual acts with a minor and 9 counts of sexual abuse of child. Sent to jail for 2 years. I didn't go, Rubert said

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
2 mos later, guilty of sex w/ a minor,sex abuse of child in 9 counts, sent to jail 2yrs 7mos?Witness says didn't go. Was outside

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 28s28 seconds ago
Crimes include convictions for sex abuse of children & minors, Rubert says he was tricked by age of males he met on Internet

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Sentence was changed, Rubert says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s45 seconds ago
Witness says that judgement was changed, you never start immediately a punishment and it's changed in another way

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 31s31 seconds ago
Two months later found guilty on 9 counts of having sex with minors. Rubert got another 2 years, 7 months

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 35s35 seconds ago
Even German courts write it differently, witness says never had a problem at that time.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 40s40 seconds ago
Could be that I was convicted of 9 counts of sexually abusing a child. I never had a problem at that time, Rubert says

 

[Kamille]

Yikes...so he likes minor boys. No wonder LM was not his type. So he thought he had a young boy who was lost and needed help that he was inviting to come stay with him.

Still has nothing to do with this trial. Might be something for the police in Berlin to keep an eye on though.

MOO