Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[JaimeSommers]

I don't think it was a bomb as surely there would have been debris everywhere.....

I lived in Lockerbie for 3 months, 2 years after the plane went down there and while I was there, they were still finding parts of the plane.....it was everywhere....sorry it sounds so graphic...

I think it has flown straight into the ocean but how and why without any distress signal is the question...

Unless they were taken by aliens............it is a weird......

the poor passsengers on board....

BBM ... Agree. My first thought when I heard about stolen passports was terrorism, but the lack of scattered debris and a group claiming responsibility gives me pause. I suppose it could have been one or two people acting alone in protest, but (if this had to happen) I really hope it was a genuine accident.

 

[ilovepierre]

Might have been intended to crash into a city but their attempts were foiled by crew or passengers, never know.
I think if it is terrorism the thing fell through

I agree.
IMO, it was a terrorist attack that never went through as planned.

 

[Softail]

I have done that... :blushing:... when DH and the kids were flying, and also when a good friend was on her way to visit me. However, I did it because each of the times I recorded, the planes were going through bad weather and you see a line of thunderstorms that the plane was trying to avoid or had to fly through.

It could also be a momentous flight - first flight, a homecoming, etc - and someone wanted to show it.

But - are we sure it was recorded live and not just someone recording the playback like we're able to do on Flight24?

Good point. I just looked at Flight24 and there is a playback feature. So, it is very possible it wasn't recorded live after all.

I guess I was thinking if it was recorded live, and was a terrorist attack, that someone who knew about it was recording it.

:dunno: Weird.

 

[tarabull]

Weird. I wonder if they know who took that video. My DH travels quite a bit, and I use Flight Tracker to see where he is, and if his flight will be on time. I've never recorded it. Why would someone record it? :waitasec: I wish we knew what the voices are saying.

Ed Zachery!

WHY do that???

And what ARE they saying???

ETA: I see the responses to your post Softail ~whew~ relieved lol! Still need an interpreter tho :-/

Justin Case

lol

 

[belimom]

Reading a bit at FlightRadar24 forum:

It says RED means "squawking emergency"....so possibly they do know more than they are saying?

http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/4760-Red-Aircraft

If that is true, it is red three times: when the recording starts, when the screen is resized, and just before it stops. So were they 'squawking emergency' three different times? That would mean that the airline isn't telling everything they knew, for sure.

But it also turns red when your mouse/pointer hovers above the plane. Try it on any flight right now. It will turn red.

 

[WI1987]

I agree.
IMO, it was a terrorist attack that never went through as planned.

Agreed as well, they tried to hijack the plane and the passengers fought back or maybe the hijackers did take control and deliberately crashed into the sea. The turn around was an attempt by the flight crew to keep control on the plane ... pilots are sometimes trained to wobble the plane and make sharp turns to cause hijackers to fall where hopefully they can be restrained by passengers/crew.

I also suspect that the Malaysians, Chinese, etc know more than they are releasing to the media.

 

[Karmady]

I have done that... :blushing:... when DH and the kids were flying, and also when a good friend was on her way to visit me. However, I did it because each of the times I recorded, the planes were going through bad weather and you see a line of thunderstorms that the plane was trying to avoid or had to fly through.

It could also be a momentous flight - first flight, a homecoming, etc - and someone wanted to show it.

But - are we sure it was recorded live and not just someone recording the playback like we're able to do on Flight24?

Imo, that's exactly what it is. I think the mirror's reference to the live feed is misleading. The site does provide a live feed, but the recording is not live, imo.

 

[trigger]

Might have been intended to crash into a city but their attempts were foiled by crew or passengers, never know.
I think if it is terrorism the thing fell through

This video shows how unsafe cockpit is.

http://kfwbam.com/2014/02/28/video-purports-airline-cockpits-not-safe/

 

[Waddles]

As for code shares, I've heard it mentioned a few times that they might have intended to bring down a Chinese flight but aren't you informed well ahead of time if you're on a flight operated by a different airline or can it be last minute?

 

[Karmady]

If that is true, it is red three times: when the recording starts, when the screen is resized, and just before it stops. So were they 'squawking emergency' three different times? That would mean that the airline isn't telling everything they knew, for sure.

But it also turns red when your mouse/pointer hovers above the plane. Try it on any flight right now. It will turn red.

If you hover or click on any flight the plane turns read. I just did it myself. It may be true that if the plane is red w/o a hover or click it's squawking emergency.jmo

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Reading a bit at FlightRadar24 forum:

It says RED means "squawking emergency"....so possibly they do know more than they are saying?

http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/4760-Red-Aircraft

A hi-jacking squawk is 7500

So you would switch the transponder from "Ident" to "7500" and all air traffic controllers that are plotting you on radar will be notified that the aircraft is compromised

Emergency squawk is 7700

If the aircraft was squawking 7700 then that would indicate that the crew had declared and emergency (to ATC)... and therefore they would have heard something from them regarding the situation.

I can't think of any reason why they would be able to select a "7700" squawk code but not be able to communicate that to Air Traffic Controllers though.

If they had squawked a 7500, its not beyond reason that under duress they might have been instructed to maintain radio silence - but the IDENT would have let controllers know why... so why would the crew select to squawk the emergency IDENT rather than Hi-Jacking ident if that was the situation at hand?

 

[gia2]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/uk-malaysia-airlines-plane-probe-idUKBREA280FH20140309
Investigators looking into possibility of mid-air disintergration

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet,"

 

[trigger]

Finally found msnbc talking about this.


Oh never mind. They are done talking about it.

 

[Marg from Oz]

It is 2.00 am here so maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me. when I review the video just before the plane disappears there are lines like a grid. You can see the plane moving as it travels across the sea but when it reaches the grid line it seems to hover, not moving and then disappears. jMoO

 

[Sleuthster]

The tickets where paid for in Thailand currency?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

So the passports where stolen in Thailand and the tickets where paid for with their money? I really think this is where these 2 where from.

 

[catatonia]

Adding oil slicks and an explosion, wouldn't there have been fire? I would guess there were at least smaller ones, according to circumstances.

 

[popsicle]

Esther Fung 方心恩 ‏@estherfung 1m
Relatives of the passengers of #MH370 getting on a bus to get overseas travel documents, to go to M'sia. http://instagram.com/p/lU6CEHpgXL/

 

[mck16]

If you hover or click on any flight the plane turns read. I just did it myself. It may be true that if the plane is red w/o a hover or click it's squawking emergency.jmo

if it turns red because of hovering over it, seems it would only appear red to whoever was hovering over it. So, whoever was hovering over it was also recording it. so, the question to me is why was someone hovering over it to begin with. does my comment make any sense? ty

 

[hopeandglory]

For the sake of humanity, I hope it was the result of an accident, and not a terrorist attack.

If it was a terrorist attack, and the two passengers with the stolen passports were behind it, then I'd be absolutely baffled. In 2014, you can steal passports and get on flights? This should not be able to happen. It just shouldn't.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I might be a page or two behind the news... but I have concluded that the information saying the aircraft turned around has to be wrong.

There is no way an experienced crew would make a decision as extreme as turn a scheduled flight round and head for home (2hrs or so back apparently?) when there was clearly a much much closer and suitable alternate in much closer range.

Choosing to divert the flight is not something they would do lightly - there's hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel, passenger compensation, landing fee's at foreign airports, emergency response etc etc...

The only reason they would decide to abort the flight would be because of a urgent requirement to get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible - and that means the closest airport possible, not the one you departed.

The lack of appropriate squawk codes and accompanying radio communications for that is strange. Either its an emergency or a hi-jacking... and it is strange that radio comms didn't reflect that.