Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[ilovepierre]

Do you have a link about the stolen passport passengers not being on the plane? So they would be part of the 5 who didn't board and had their luggage removed? There's a 3rd phony passport, a Chinese national had his same passport number used, and he hasn't travelled in many years

That's what I thought, but I can't find any link to verify that.
I must have gotten my stories scrambled.

So I am assuming the stolen passport passengers DID board the plane. I must have been confusing them with the 5 who didn't board.

 

[Softail]

Interpol says no country checked its database before Malaysia flight

Interpol says no country checked its database for information about stolen passports that were used to board the Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared with 239 people on board Saturday less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, bound for Beijing.

In a sharply worded criticism of shortcomings of national passport controls, the Lyon, France-based international police body said information about the thefts of an Austrian passport in 2012 and an Italian passport last year was entered into its database after they were stolen in Thailand.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...-loses-contact-with-plane-carrying-23-people/

:doh:

 

[belimom]

I might be a page or two behind the news... but I have concluded that the information saying the aircraft turned around has to be wrong.

There is no way an experienced crew would make a decision as extreme as turn a scheduled flight round and head for home (2hrs or so back apparently?) when there was clearly a much much closer and suitable alternate in much closer range.

Choosing to divert the flight is not something they would do lightly - there's hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel, passenger compensation, landing fee's at foreign airports, emergency response etc etc...

The only reason they would decide to abort the flight would be because of a urgent requirement to get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible - and that means the closest airport possible, not the one you departed.

The lack of appropriate squawk codes and accompanying radio communications for that is strange. Either its an emergency or a hi-jacking... and it is strange that radio comms didn't reflect that.

Excellent post.

 

[ilovepierre]

For the sake of humanity, I hope it was the result of an accident, and not a terrorist attack.

If it was a terrorist attack, and the two passengers with the stolen passports were behind it, then I'd be absolutely baffled. In 2014, you can steal passports and get on flights? This should not be able to happen. It just shouldn't.

Another poster posted a news link that said that flying with fake passports is not uncommon in that part of the world.

Scary, huh?!

 

[hopeandglory]

Another poster posted a news link that said that flying with fake passports is not uncommon in that part of the world.

Scary, huh?!

Well remind me to travel by feet if I ever pay that part of the world a visit :facepalm: I'm terrified of flying as it is already :scared:

 

[Karmady]

if it turns red because of hovering over it, seems it would only appear red to whoever was hovering over it. So, whoever was hovering over it was also recording it. so, the question to me is why was someone hovering over it to begin with. does my comment make any sense? ty

Same reason we're all looking at the video rewind and hovering over it (at least I did). They just took it a step further so others could see it without having to do it themselves.

jmo

 

[popsicle]

Jessica Yu ‏@UjessU 1m
Is this #MH370 ? Vietnamese search aircraft found debris floating in water http://on.wsj.com/1cLlXqJ MT @WSJphotos pic.twitter.com/tIzrZScfYj

 

[Tssiemer]

Unless something is very lax with the ATC in that part of the world I just don't see how a jumbo jet can completely disappear without as much as a peep and a piece of debris.

 

[Karmady]

I might be a page or two behind the news... but I have concluded that the information saying the aircraft turned around has to be wrong.

There is no way an experienced crew would make a decision as extreme as turn a scheduled flight round and head for home (2hrs or so back apparently?) when there was clearly a much much closer and suitable alternate in much closer range.

Choosing to divert the flight is not something they would do lightly - there's hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel, passenger compensation, landing fee's at foreign airports, emergency response etc etc...

The only reason they would decide to abort the flight would be because of a urgent requirement to get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible - and that means the closest airport possible, not the one you departed.

The lack of appropriate squawk codes and accompanying radio communications for that is strange. Either its an emergency or a hi-jacking... and it is strange that radio comms didn't reflect that.

I've seen on the live radar sites that there is another airport in this flight's general flight path and to the NE just before this flight would have been over the ocean. Don't know anything about that airport and will have to go look up its name. Wondering if they could have turned to try and land there since it was so much closer. jmo

eta: this is the one, I think

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Mahmud_Airport"]Sultan Mahmud Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Trino]

Best discussion I have followed is found here
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6014938
They just started part five, the first post links the previous parts.

Also, reddit. Don't think I can link that though.

flyertalk.com also has pilot input.

 

[mck16]

Same reason we're all looking at the video rewind and hovering over it (at least I did). They just took it a step further so others could see it without having to do it themselves.

jmo

you mean if you are looking at the video and hover over another plane it turns red? okay that explains what I was misunderstanding. ty

 

[Softail]

Missing Malaysia plane possibly 'disintegrated' mid-air

Tribune staff and wire reports
9:37 a.m. CDT, March 9, 2014


KUALA LUMPUR, March 9 (Reuters) - Officials investigating the disappearance of a Malaysian airliner with 239 people on board are narrowing the focus of their inquiries on the possibility that it disintegrated in mid-flight, a senior source said on Sunday.

Malaysia Airlines flight 370 vanished after climbing to a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing in the early hours of Saturday, but search teams have still not been able to make any confirmed discovery of wreckage in seas beneath the plane's flight path almost 48 hours after it took off.

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the investigations in Malaysia.

If the plane had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only on impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak publicly on the investigation.

The source was speaking shortly before Vietnamese authorities said a military plane had spotted at sea an object suspected to be part of the missing airliner Sunday afternoon.

Asked about the possibility of an explosion, such as a bomb, the source said there was no evidence yet of foul play and that the aircraft could have broken up due to mechanical issues.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-malaysia-plane-missing-20140309,0,1515462.story

 

[popsicle]

Jessica Yu ‏@UjessU 2m https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/
Searchers report spotting plane debris not far from #MH370 's intended flight path http://on.wsj.com/1cLlXqJ pic.twitter.com/J1pCHNWXbu

 

[momrids6]

Debris near Tho Chu Island not from MH370: Department of Civil Aviation.

http://news.asiaone.com/news/relax/debris-near-tho-chu-island-not-mh370-department-civil-aviation

 

[kimi_SFC]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-239-feared-dead/story-fnizu68q-1226849573088 seems Australian MSM is starting to form a fairly strong direction...

Embedded video in the quoted article one of the missing had survived a church bombing to take a dream trip to China...

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-flight-missing-passengers-under-investigation-australians-among-239-feared-dead/story-fnizu68q-1226849573088#ooid=1jcjMzbDpxoL_3WshVIcjNok6EeQ2kyS

 

[Harmony 2]

Please be sure to add the link for tweets... thanks

 

[Tssiemer]

Just how much plane debris is in the ocean?

 

[kimi_SFC]

Live flight tracker Flight Radar 24 published the first images of the flight route of MH370. AstroAwani speaks to Flight Radar 24 on the modalites of their reports and what it means when a flight disappears from radar.


Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/videos/show/buletin-awani/how-accurate-is-flight-radar-24-27103?cp

I asked my mother to listen to is closely, with earbuds on, and she does not believe the voice is speaking in Vietnamese. I was really hoping she would be able to listen and translate it for us. I wanted you to know I tried :banghead:

The video literally made my blood run cold. It could mean everything, or it could represent a computer glitch and nothing (coincidence, if you believe in those sort of things, but I don't happen to).

At least this will hopefully help to direct the searchers :moo:

 

[hockeymom]

Missing Malaysia plane possibly 'disintegrated' mid-air

Tribune staff and wire reports
9:37 a.m. CDT, March 9, 2014


KUALA LUMPUR, March 9 (Reuters) - Officials investigating the disappearance of a Malaysian airliner with 239 people on board are narrowing the focus of their inquiries on the possibility that it disintegrated in mid-flight, a senior source said on Sunday.

Malaysia Airlines flight 370 vanished after climbing to a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing in the early hours of Saturday, but search teams have still not been able to make any confirmed discovery of wreckage in seas beneath the plane's flight path almost 48 hours after it took off.

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the investigations in Malaysia.

If the plane had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only on impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak publicly on the investigation.

The source was speaking shortly before Vietnamese authorities said a military plane had spotted at sea an object suspected to be part of the missing airliner Sunday afternoon.

Asked about the possibility of an explosion, such as a bomb, the source said there was no evidence yet of foul play and that the aircraft could have broken up due to mechanical issues.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-malaysia-plane-missing-20140309,0,1515462.story

Can a plane really "disinigrate" ? Is that possible?

 

[gia2]

Can a plane really "disinigrate" ? Is that possible?

Yes they can and (fortunately very rarely) do. Think of the speed and force that is placed on an aircraft during flight. A series of malfunctions can mean a plane literally falls apart around you.