Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[Isabelle]

This is just so bizarre to not have found anything yet. To me anyway. jmo

Today I have wondered if maybe they don't want to find anything.

 

[Steely Dan]

What about the Black Box, Flight Data Recorder, wouldn't it send out a signal/beacon?

It does, but you have to be near it to get it. That's really stupid in this day and age. Also, it runs on a battery so the signal will eventually die out. I don't know how long they last, but I'd think at least several days.

 

[popsicle]

Today I have wondered if maybe they don't want to find anything.

omg get out of my head.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The plane was 40 minutes into its flight when it suddenly dropped off the radar. The flight was about 6 hours long.
The information that the flight was 2 hours into it's travel time was incorrect reporting.

That's what my husband told me but just checking. His opinion as a former pilot is your first choice would be to turn back to the closest airport. Not knowing why there may have been an urgent need to turn around is obviously the main problem.

He left before I could ask him if it is possible the plane turned around by itself because of some sort of distress but wasn't the pilot's choice.
I'm thinking about the early wing report (if confirmed). Aerodynamic issue?

Still, the passport issues are huge red flags. Unless those perps (perps because they were flying with stolen pp) were just passengers who are on a no fly list but taking down this plane wasn't their doing. It's possible I guess considering their ultimate destinations (if info is correct).

 

[ilovepierre]

Wow - they are all still reporting 2 hours - NBC, BBC, etc.
http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...s-plane-timeline-events-flight-mh370-20140309

12.40 am - Flight MH370, a Boeing 777-200 carrying 227 passengers from 14 nationalities along with 12 crew members, took off from the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

1.22 am - The plane was meant to transfer to Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh air traffic control but never appeared.

2.41 am - Malaysian air traffic control in Subang lost contact with the plane, some two hours after it left Kuala Lumpur
BBM
Just another example of not believing everything you read
What time did that other airliner communicate with them? They were apparently the last ones to make contact.

BBM.
I don't think a specific time was given. IIRC, the reports said that an airliner made contact with Malaysia Air 30 minutes before it dropped off anyone's radar.
And I can't seem to find a link that supports that, but I did read it on here earlier today.

 

[popsicle]

Malaysia's state news agency quoted Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi as saying the passengers using the stolen European passports were of Asian appearance, and criticizing border officials who let them through.

"I am still perturbed. Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces," he was quoted as saying late on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309

 

[nursebeeme]

Interesting also that the ticket holders chose Germany and Denmark as their destinations which would seem plausible with the real holders of those passports, but would also cost a lot more money than if the ultimate destinations had been Beijing, for example. Also curious if the Italian, Miraldi, had been to Denmark before his passport was stolen and therefore that is why the impostor booked Copenhagen as his destination?

:waitasec:

MOO

:twocents: just guessing but they would both need the same flight but with a connection so they did not need a visa for China yet different destinations so it would not look like they were traveling together jmoo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The important part is not where the final destinations were to on the tickets. What is important is that on the day before the flight two tickets are purchased using the same online website within a short duration. Despite the fact that the tickets were to different final destinations, they shared the same first leg flight. Coincidentally, those people are using stolen passports.

It doesn't prove anything in terms of them being responsible, but it does look suspicious.

True but even if not responsible (just posted about this above), the people using stolen passports may have been up to no good. Especially considering their final destinations. When I hear Frankfort, I recall 911. Many potential suspects were detained from leaving there in the week following 911.

Their final destinations may have been a hint? Thinking along the line of claiming responsibility? Heck, I'm just talking!

 

[Waddles]

If it's terrorism, there's the issue that the perpetrators usually claim responsibility, that they want people to know what they did and why. And we don't know, and we might not know, exactly, so it makes me wonder if there was another plan but it foiled and they went down

 

[CARIIS]

KUALA LUMPUR — The pilot of a Malaysia Airlines jet that went missing on Saturday enjoyed flying the Boeing 777 so much that he spent his off days tinkering with a flight simulator of the plane that he had set up at home, current and former co-workers said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/...light-tech-geek-had-777-simulator-home-n48241

 

[catatonia]

With regard to the black box signal:

Q: How long will the signal last?
A: About 30 days.

Source: www.aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/aviation:black-box#toc2

Source: www.newsimg.bbc.co.uk

 

[panthera]

Today I have wondered if maybe they don't want to find anything.

I am certain that with the obvious breach of security regarding the passports/Interpol, the last thing the airline wants is for anything to be found that would indicate terrorism. They're probably already working overtime to identify those two men and make sure they were "harmless".

:naughty:

MOO

 

[CARIIS]

What about the Black Box, Flight Data Recorder, wouldn't it send out a signal/beacon?

Early on Viet search and rescue reported signal - but the story got buried--


MISSING MH370 UPDATE: Viet rescue official says plane's signal detected

New Straits Times ‎- 1 day ago

 

[Little Jedi]

You would think there would be a computer program in place that would automatically search the stolen passport database, detect and alert within seconds once it is scanned. I find it insane that there isn't.

There is - Interpol
Malaysian Airport didn't use it !

 

[gregjrichards]

It does, but you have to be near it to get it. That's really stupid in this day and age. Also, it runs on a battery so the signal will eventually die out. I don't know how long they last, but I'd think at least several days.

I read the battery will make a signal for 30 days. They really need this new wifi flight recorder which constantly transmits data about air speed, height etc. It costs a lot of money so the airlines are not keen on investing in it.

Edit info about 30 day battery life of flight data recorder in this link http://avstop.com/history/flightrecorder.htm

They found the recorder of the Air France flight eventually when many had gave up hope. The water where this plane crashed was much deeper than where the Air Malaysia plane could be.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

What do those destinations mean - Frankfurt and Copenhagen? From Beijing?
I'm lost. Although both cities are terrorist hubs imo.

Having travelled in those areas I'm not sure why you'd go from Malaysia to Europe via Beijing anyway - a bit out of the way! There are plenty of direct flights from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam/London/other European cities. And why go from Thailand all the way down to KL when you could just fly direct from Bangkok?

There's no doubt they were up to something dodgy travelling on someone elses passport... rule drugs out (why go through multiple airports/customs?), perhaps they believed South China airline to be more lax than others with security.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi nursebeeme !

My take on this is if they were planning on blowing it up - they could care less what put on their CC!!

 

[Waddles]

There is - Interpol
Malaysian Airport didn't use it !

yes, I meant the Interpol database, you'd think that the only possible machine to scan a passport scanned this at the same time, that it was law everywhere

 

[Elley Mae]

Forty minutes into the flight, it's approx 1:20 in the morning. I'm thinking most may have been asleep, and in a blink of the eye the plane is gone. It's been a little more then 48 hrs, they are coming into their second day of searching in day light. Seems they should find something today.

 

[panthera]

Having travelled in those areas I'm not sure why you'd go from Malaysia to Europe via Beijing anyway - a bit out of the way! There are plenty of direct flights from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam/London/other European cities. And why go from Thailand all the way down to KL when you could just fly direct from Bangkok?

There's no doubt they were up to something dodgy travelling on someone elses passport... rule drugs out (why go through multiple airports/customs?), perhaps they believed South China airline to be more lax than others with security.

Exactly why I am curious if the real Christian and Luigi had been to those destinations before the passports were stolen...or does that information still appear on passports? I cannot understand the routing either to get to the final destinations unless the impostors were trying to replicate itineraries which were already on the passports and/or as your suggest, the air partner (South China) was extremely lax in security so the impostors didn't believe they'd be caught. I also would think if drugs were involved one would take the most direct route. Still believe it's terrorism.

MOO