Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[mck16]

I switched over to watch and they were back to talking about ObamaCare.:banghead:

another tragedy. jmo

 

[mck16]

regardless, there are a lot of "plane spotters" out there who would have picked up on an emergency squawk and it would have been all over the internet before the plane was officially reported missing. There's no way it could have been kept quiet.

Not sure what you mean. But, you think plane spotters would have known before the actual airlines radar? Why do you think it was being kept quiet? ty

 

[Plumeria5]

another tragedy. jmo

:floorlaugh:

 

[CARIIS]

Well said - I think everyone is fixated on these passports and the unidentified travelers pointing toward terrorism, I

I do not think people are shocked about fake passpoets - however when they are related to a jumbo aircraft that is obliterated in flight it akes on different importance!

 

[popsicle]

How long does it take to figure out if that oil is from the airplane, or even if it is oil?

 

[GinaSeikwa]

INTERPOL ‏@INTERPOL_HQ 8h
In 2013 passengers were able to board planes more than a billion times without having their #passports screened against INTERPOL's databases
https://twitter.com/INTERPOL_HQ

That is crazy

It happens all the time. In every country. In Canada you will often see CBSA at the door of arriving aircraft conducting passport checks for this very reason.

 

[popsicle]

Yes, apparently more than a billion times in 2013.

 

[panthera]

another tragedy. jmo

:silly:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM

Was totally unaware of this restriction regarding China, therefore it explains a lot as to the itineraries of these two impostors. I don't believe, however, either of them planned to land in Europe.

MOO

If no visas, I'm trying to understand why Beijing was chosen as the connecting flight. Shouldn't that be a red flag as well?
If legit, wouldn't one fly out of Bangkok? It's possible Bangkok has more sophisticated systems in place at the airport concerning the detection of stolen identities/passports.
So, even if the stolen passport users aren't responsible for this airplane going down, they may have routed through the less risky airport from fear of being detected.

 

[popsicle]

The media says that piece of debri is possibly the plane door but this reporter posted a pic of the door and the window is set to the side not centered.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 6h
Unclear if that debris is related to #MH370, but the 777's passenger door windows are off-center and much smaller. http://bit.ly/1cMI8No

 

[mck16]

It happens all the time. In every country. In Canada you will often see CBSA at the door of arriving aircraft conducting passport checks for this very reason.

Isn't the arriving door a little late to be checking? jmo

 

[elmomom]

I posted a link earlier to an article about Malaysia deporting Chinese Uighers back to China. They were seeking asylum with the help of outsiders, and they were traveling to European countries with fake or stolen passports when Malaysia found them out. They were deported back to China where they were subject to possible imprisonment. It seems to me that this is one of the more likely scenarios of the two passengers with stolen passports.
As for the other reported one, it seems more like a case of identity theft - the Chinese citizen said he has his passport it was not stolen, but that the person on the flight used his name and info and a forged passport.
I am so on the fence. I don't think it is possible for me to conclude that this was an act of terrorism, or not. Not with the information we have at hand.

PS can we please stop with the anti Obamacare humor? Some of us do not find it humorous at all, and are trying very hard not to lose her temper.

 

[ilovepierre]

A person wouldn't need a visa to enter China if they are only there for a connecting flight. No "red flags" as the ticket agent (or whatever) would see that the person was only in China a short time before continuing on to Europe. Had the final destination of these passengers been China, it would have looked suspect that these guys didn't have the proper documentation.

 

[Plumeria5]

The media says that piece of debri is possibly the plane door but this reporter posted a pic of the door and the window is set to the side not centered.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 6h
Unclear if that debris is related to #MH370, but the 777's passenger door windows are off-center and much smaller. http://bit.ly/1cMI8No

Out of all the ships they have in the area has anyone actually picked it up (the debris) and examined it or do planes just continue to hover and speculate? This is ridiculous! Would it be possible to get the stories straight? :tantrum:

And yes that to whomever said how long could it take to test the fuel, oil or whatever spilled to see if it could have been from the plane.

I use to think how advanced we are but this takes the cake!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Also there are enough Thais who speak and read the English language.
Anyone working at the airport who has customer contact would speak English imo.
Wonder if this is true if only connecting a flight in Beijing?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

A person wouldn't need a visa to enter China if they are only there for a connecting flight. No "red flags" as the ticket agent (or whatever) would see that the person was only in China a short time before continuing on to Europe. Had the final destination of these passengers been China, it would have looked suspect that these guys didn't have the proper documentation.

But is it normal to connect through Beijing when travelling to Germany or the Netherlands? Why?
Are there known (to criminals) weaknesses within the system there?

 

[Snoods]

I believe the possibility of terrorism has come to the forefront due to the individuals on board the plane with stolen passports. What legitimate purpose would they be using them for? Initial reports had at least two, now possibly four passengers using stolen documents. Something is definitely not right.

MOO

I absolutely agree with you, I just thought I'd play Devil's Advocate

 

[popsicle]

Esther Fung 方心恩 ‏@estherfung 4m
Frenchman's wife and children on missing flight, and a family reunion that never happened. http://on.wsj.com/1cMEX8q @waynema

https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I was incredibly shocked to learn that they were Asian. Is this a really low-budget effort on someone's part? Effort to what end - I'm not sure

I'm interested in the method used to determine the identities of the stolen passport holders. I'm trying to catch up but now am reading out of order - ugh - but has it been explained how the faces were connected to the passports?

 

[Spider92]

I think the 2 travelers were just a couple of guys looking to illegally immigrate into Western Europe and get the heck out of Malaysia. No serious terrorist of Asian appearance would use names like Luigi from Italy. Doing so would jeopardize the whole mission if there was one. S&P futures down just 2 points - the world has spent all weekend watching this and no signs of panic or great concern.