Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[CARIIS]

Goodness, the media got the two hours into the flight wrong for days! Now, they are still doing “suspected” debris (like a white plastic object with what appears to be a window in it some miles away from where a jumbo 777 ER went poof!) could be “something” else!

Or what looks like 18 tons of jet fuel floating in the middle of the ocean some miles away from where a jumbo 777 ER went poof “might” be from a jetliner.. Same thing I can come up with all sorts of reasons, other than an airline disaster in the vicinity wherein 18 tons of jet fuel is swimming around on top of the ocean!!!

Or people not boarding aircraft, but sending their luggage and personal belongings to another side of the world for no evil purposes OR common travelers boarding jetliners with fake identities, for no “sneaky” reason all the time.

And the way it is S L O W L Y being dribbled out god knows what is next.

At this point I hope it is because it is the weekend and media superstars are off – it’s becoming silly, IMO!

 

[CARIIS]

either of them planned to land in Europe.



Just IMO, I dont think they had any intention of "landing" anywhere.

 

[musicaljoke]

Isn't the arriving door a little late to be checking? jmo

It's the first opportunity that the CBSA has to check the passports of incoming flights. This is before the passengers walk down the hall to go through customs, where the passports are checked again. When done right at the gate, there is still time to refuse to let the person with a fake passport set foot in the airport. So, no, it's not a little late from the arrivals perspective.

 

[ilovepierre]

But is it normal to connect through Beijing when travelling to Germany or the Netherlands? Why?
Are there known (to criminals) weaknesses within the system there?

No. Considering a person can get a DIRECT flight to Frankfurt from Kuala Lumpur without having to connect in China. I pretended to book a flight on Malaysia Air and there are non-stop flights to Frankfurt.

The only reason I can think of that a person would require a stop-over in China is terrorism. I think this flight's intended target was China. For whatever reason, the attack never went as planned and was crashed into the ocean.

 

[GinaSeikwa]

Isn't the arriving door a little late to be checking? jmo

Yes isn't it? In many ways ignorance is bliss. If I thought about all the scary what ifs I wouldn't be able to go into work every day. I've often looked out over the sea of passengers and thought that in this crowd of 200 or so there are at least 4 people traveling on fake documents (and since joining WS I've added also 3 pedophiles and 2 rapists to the list . Really all we can do is remain vigilant.

 

[ilovepierre]

It's the first opportunity that the CBSA has to check the passports of incoming flights. This is before the passengers walk down the hall to go through customs, where the passports are checked again. When done right at the gate, there is still time to refuse to let the person with a fake passport set foot in the airport. So, no, it's not a little late from the arrivals perspective.

I live in Canada, and I have never had CBSA check my passport before going through customs after arriving back home. Maybe the airport I fly into isn't a hot spot for illegal documentation. :dunno:

 

[catatonia]

The media resembles a ruminant animal, digging out old and disproved news .....

 

[Isabelle]

This is moving so slowly that I can't help but think authorities are dragging their a$$e$ about this whole thing in hopes that anything out there will never be found.

 

[GinaSeikwa]

It's the first opportunity that the CBSA has to check the passports of incoming flights. This is before the passengers walk down the hall to go through customs, where the passports are checked again. When done right at the gate, there is still time to refuse to let the person with a fake passport set foot in the airport. So, no, it's not a little late from the arrivals perspective.

Yes this.
They are looking for illegal ARRIVALS into the country. Not potential in flight terrorists. This incident may prove to be a game changer.
There was an interesting documentary on The National last week about the emergence of fake passports linked to no real living person being the new terrorist threat. Unlike stolen or fake documents using a real persons name these are virtual identities used for nefarious purposes. One person was even able to obtain and use a fake passport in the name of "Server Froze" when he misread his handlers email message. I will try to find a link to the CBC.

 

[Spider92]

I live in Canada, and I have never had CBSA check my passport before going through customs after arriving back home. :dunno:

....it's the Canucks shirt.

 

[Plumeria5]

Esther Fung 方心恩 ‏@estherfung 4m
Frenchman's wife and children on missing flight, and a family reunion that never happened. http://on.wsj.com/1cMEX8q @waynema

https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/

I found the dad's business photo. Not sure if it is ok to post it. So, so sad!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am doubtful that those bags were actually removed. I see this as covering butt. More than once while traveling, my bags wound up in a different state than the state I was going to. I

Or why even mention/report that five people checked in but didn't board the plane therefore their baggage was removed from the plane. The people should be able to explain their reasons for not boarding the flight in that case, correct? Plus they'd be able to have their luggage back.

What am I missing?

Now, if their luggage stayed on board but the people didn't board, they'd need to be questioned. I could see this happening if one of the members in the travel family complained of chest pains or acute something or another. If a family, they may all stay behind despite the luggage already being on board.

 

[popsicle]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/
M'sia ATC often hand over traffic to Ho Chi Minh ATC well before IGARI, the boundary, says a pilot familiar. pic.twitter.com/3mzws5x6To #MH370

 

[zwiebel]

'Right now, I have to tell you, it's very trying. With the tide and the currents out there...'

That was a US searcher I just heard live on BBC Radio 4.

So sorry, I was reading through posts and didn't catch anything else until I heard his voice.

I just don't think people should expect too much - searching oceans is notoriously difficult. I also heard that family member are growing increasingly distressed and angry, despite having a team from Malaysian airlines with them. But there is just no news. I really think it was a mistake to fly families out. It is very hard to wait, but wait they must.

Authorities would have been better off asking them to return home, with the promise they would let them know and fly them out the minute anything was located. Grieving family members would have been better off waiting at home than stuck in some hotel in a foreign country, imo. The search may take weeks, or even months.

 

[ilovepierre]

OT: the last two times I have gone through customs, the CBSA has questioned me. Not in private, but just the customs counter. The first time, it was because I declared a machete as a tool, instead of a weapon. The second time was after I was in the States for 2 weeks and spent probably 1000-2000 dollars and apparently declared that incorrectly too! The officer thought it was suspect that I spent that much on myself...

Anyways...not that this has ANYTHING to do with the topic.

 

[mck16]

It's the first opportunity that the CBSA has to check the passports of incoming flights. This is before the passengers walk down the hall to go through customs, where the passports are checked again. When done right at the gate, there is still time to refuse to let the person with a fake passport set foot in the airport. So, no, it's not a little late from the arrivals perspective.

sorry but haven't they been on the flight for x number of hours.

 

[CARIIS]

he was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing aircraft, and was asked to use his plane's emergency frequency to contact MH370 by Vietnamese air traffic control officials who wanted to establish its location.

We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.

There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end," said the B777 captain. "That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection."

http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...lane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-went-missi



Malaysian authorities have CCTV recordings of the two passengers who were said to have used false passports to board the missing Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Department of Civil Aviation director-general Azaruddin Abdul Rahman said on Sunday there were only two such passengers, not four as earlier r

http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...tv-recordings-show-2-passengers-who-boeported by the media.

and

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Police to take action against rumour mongers


Police inspector-general warns against spreading unfounded rumours of Flight MH370 on social media

http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...plane-police-take-action-against-rumour-monge

 

[GinaSeikwa]

Here is the CBC link about an emerging security threat.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2554429

 

[ElleElle]

This is all very weird.

Did the plane try to turn back? Why?
Why is there no divers yet?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if a plane lands on water with no fuel, will it implode on impact? Or hit so hard, it would "dive" into the sea?

The 2 stolen passports is not a surprise to me.

What i'd like to see is the CCTV footage of the passengers with the stolen passports.

 

[ilovepierre]

sorry but haven't they been on the flight for x number of hours.

Apparently, they're checking for illegal arrivals, not terrorists. So I guess checking passports at the arrivals gate makes sense.