Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[Scottndianner]

The co-pilot on this flight, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was only 27 years old...Wonder what the average age is for co-pilots on commercial airlines...Not implying the co-pilot is to blame here, however his age and the fact that he carries a Muslim name, has not gone unnoticed...

 

[popsicle]

Hello, I just meant that there was the fuel/oil slick and they know approximately where the plan lost contact?

I do fully agree the plane crashed so hard the water it exploded and is on the bottom on the sea floor. I don't believe this plane hit land.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but perhaps the bodies will float up soon one the gasses are released?

When the plane exploded the passengers also exploded. imo

 

[HMSHood]

Right now, to me it sounds like mechanical failure. CNN is reporting a debris field has been located and that the malaysian govt is telling the families to prepare for the worst..

It would have to be really catastrophic in nature.

 

[ElleElle]

Agree. There is no explanation at this point for the plane to disappear off the radar without a trace, no contact from the plane communicating an emergency, other than something catastrophic occurring that immediately disabled it. Perhaps the intention wasn't to crash it into the ocean but to hijack it in the manner of the terrorists on 9/11 and target something in China, however something went wrong with the plan while attempting to overtake the plane?

MOO

Just speculating, but maybe the intended target was in Kuala Lumpur "twin towers - Petronas".

Perhaps it was turning around to hit them, 911 style.

 

[panthera]

The co-pilot on this flight, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was only 27 years old...Wonder what the average age is for co-pilots on commercial airlines...Not implying the co-pilot is to blame here, however his age and the fact that he carries a Muslim name, has not gone unnoticed...

The passenger manifest which was posted up thread contains many from Malaysia with Muslim names. Islam is the "state religion" of Malaysia.

Regarding the co-pilot:

Fariq, the youngest son of Selangor Public Works Department deputy director Abdul Hamid Mad Daud, has recorded more than 2,763 hours of flying time. He began his career with MAS in 2007.

Read more: MISSING MH370: Co-pilot family awaits for latest updates - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...its-for-latest-updates-1.503079#ixzz2vWVjyvHI

MOO

 

[ilovepierre]

I haven't flown a whole lot and never international but usually direct flights are more expensive aren't they?

I wouldn't know either. When I flew to Central and South America, I had connecting flights, but the flights were paid for by the group I was with. I fly direct when I travel, because it's easier and less hassle.

But from what I looked up, they usually aren't any more expensive than a connecting flight.

 

[HMSHood]

Malaysia's state news agency quoted Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi as saying the passengers using the stolen European passports were of Asian appearance, and criticizing border officials who let them through.

"I am still perturbed. Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces," he was quoted as saying late on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309

I wonder if they noticed anything unusual with those two men holding the stolen passport.

 

[ilovepierre]

This is possible, but I still find it hard to believe not one person or flight crew did not have communication. It seems to have happen so fast.

Also, how can a plane be taken down without explosives? Hold the cabin at what? gunpoint? knifepoint? how??:tantrum:

This is beginning to remind me of LOST.

BBM.
The crew on one of the 9/11 flights was stabbed. Once the pilots were out, the hijackers took over the plane's controls and flew it into the WTC. No need for explosives there.

 

[HMSHood]

Just speculating, but maybe the intended target was in Kuala Lumpur "twin towers - Petronas".

Perhaps it was turning around to hit them, 911 style.

Considering the airplane had 8 hours of fuel, they could of easily destroyed the Petronas Tower. Only thing is, it was at night, so the death toll would of been much lower. The hijacked airplanes on 9/11 had five hours worth of fuel and they managed to bring down the World Trade Center into a massive dust and smoke cloud.

 

[panthera]

Just speculating, but maybe the intended target was in Kuala Lumpur "twin towers - Petronas".

Perhaps it was turning around to hit them, 911 style.

Perhaps indeed!



What is the significance of those towers other than being owned by the major oil/energy company, such as housing other major corporations or finance as our Twin Towers did?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If their target was the Twin Towers in Malaysia, wouldn't there be two planes involved? I think there would have to be more significance to the towers in Kuala Lampur than simply sharing a nickname with another target...

 

[ElleElle]

Considering the airplane had 8 hours of fuel, they could of easily destroyed the Petronas Tower. Only thing is, it was at night, so the death toll would of been much lower. The hijacked airplanes on 9/11 had five hours worth of fuel and they managed to bring down the World Trade Center into a massive dust and smoke cloud.

Good point about not hitting the Petronas during a Saturday when the offices are not packed.

But, perhaps this was a "test" flight to see if it could be done and have the world go into panic mode.

Do dates have any significance here?

 

[Isabelle]

I wish photos of the persons holding the stolen passports would be released.

 

[CARIIS]

The co-pilot on this flight, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was only 27 years old...Wonder what the average age is for co-pilots on commercial airlines...Not implying the co-pilot is to blame here, however his age and the fact that he carries a Muslim name, has not gone unnoticed...

Do not want to be profiling but that is interesting angle that I did know TY The thought kinda bugs me..........

 

[mck16]

Considering the airplane had 8 hours of fuel, they could of easily destroyed the Petronas Tower. Only thing is, it was at night, so the death toll would of been much lower. The hijacked airplanes on 9/11 had five hours worth of fuel and they managed to bring down the World Trade Center into a massive dust and smoke cloud.

If this was a hijacking on the scale of 9 /11 I don't think they had a clue. amateurs. jmo

 

[ElleElle]

If their target was the Twin Towers in Malaysia, wouldn't there be two planes involved? I think there would have to be more significance to the towers in Kuala Lampur than simply sharing a nickname with another target...

For one thing, there is Al-Qaeda presence in Kuala Lumpur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_al-Qaeda_Summit

And, why not take out the other "Twin Towers" especially if it houses big oil companies. :moo:

 

[ElleElle]

I wish photos of the persons holding the stolen passports would be released.

Here is the real Italian Luigi Maraldi:

Source:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nces-in-thailand/story-fnizu68q-1226849959855

 

[panthera]

With two engines out from 35,000 feet, about 30 minutes gliding.

With one engine out it could probably fly for 5+ hours but would not. But it would not be an emergency by any stretch of the imagination.

Both of these assume simple engine loss. Losing one engine due to a burst disk cutting into the pressure vessel at that altitude is a different thing altogether - but extremely remote. Still, that's what happened to the A380 out of Singapore although not at altitude. And both planes have RR Trent 800 series engines.

Thanks! Even though not a dire emergency, there would have at least been communication from the aircraft, however, if an engine had been disabled such as from a bird strike, correct?

Not that I believe is what happened in this case though.

 

[CARIIS]

BBM.
The crew on one of the 9/11 flights was stabbed. Once the pilots were out, the hijackers took over the plane's controls and flew it into the WTC. No need for explosives there.

DIfferetn there was radar tracking throghout the event not a sudden thing
same thing with Egypt Air, KAL 007 Usa Pitts all sudden and a drop off from radar which can only indScate sudden instant disaster - a knife (actually boxcutters)cant do that!

Same reason I do not think hijacking overall -- just can not come up with a scenario (without an explosive device ) could cause something INSTANT!

 

[ElleElle]

Do not want to be profiling but that is interesting angle that I did know TY The thought kinda bugs me..........

There are alot of Muslims in Malaysia. I don't believe there is a connection with the young co-pilot.