Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #10

[cady]

As far as I have seen, NO ONE has divulged the location of the aircraft at 8:11......only that it was detected by a satellite. Does anyone know where it was? thanks jmo

 

[21merc7]

Cell phone question.

I don't have one, so I don't know the answer.

If the plane was over water, would there even be any type of cell phone tower for cell phones to make contact with?

I know the plane would have a SAT phone, but cell phones wouldn't work even if someone tried would they?

If a cell phone even tried, that would not show up in the cell phone call logs or records, if it couldn't work would it?

(Also, if they are alive and I, very unfortunately, do not think they are, they could be in an area with no way to use cell phones to make contact. Not all areas can.)

 

[Bravo]

Some good info on cell phones here
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/03...s-cant-help-locate-missing-malaysian-air-jet/

 

[Intermezzo]

Where was the plane at 8:11 am? I'm getting confused.

your not alone

 

[watcher9]

It's not physically possible for a plane to fly two hours from the Maldives and arrive at any point on either the northern or southern arc at 8:11am. I measured it out on the map. The Maldives are at least 4 hours flying time away from the nearest point on the arc.

Either the sighting is false or the ACARS satellite ping is false. They can't both be true.

You never know, but it's a safe bet to put the Maldives sighting in the same category as the oil rig worker sighting off the Vietnam coast. They probably both saw something odd, but it's almost definitely not the disappeared plane.

ETA: The reason we can't just extend the arc southward to include a point closer to the Maldives is that it was calculated that the plane would not have had enough fuel to reach points further south. Again, given current evidence, physically impossible.

Maybe both of them could have seen the plane.
How far away can you see a bright light (fire) up in the sky in the horizon? What about at nighttime?

 

[shygrl]

As far as I have seen, NO ONE has divulged the location of the aircraft at 8:11......only that it was detected by a satellite. Does anyone know where it was? thanks jmo

If you look back through the threads you can see the maps with the red lines...the plane was somewhere in those areas. They don't have an exact location.

 

[Intermezzo]

Talk about politics, look at this post which was made at the end of the last thread: (Post #952, JerseyGirl)

Foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei did not say directly yesterday whether China would share its radar data, saying only that Beijing was willing to "proactively co-operate with Kuala Lumpur if it was beneficial to the search".

Chinese radar experts were divided over whether the plane could have flown undetected into Chinese airspace, but all agreed the radar data was so sensitive that a decision to share it could only be made "at the highest level".

Beijing-based military expert Li Jie said China had started a search of its territory because it did not want to miss any opportunity to locate the lost flight.

"There is still a slim chance that such a big plane could evade radar detection, so China should spare no effort to find it," he said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/artic...inese-airspace

So China is starting to search their western lands....AND they are not willing to "give up" their radar................

hmmmm................

Methinks China has radar of an unidentified plane flying through their Western lands.

JMO.

Me thinks China is not willing to give up ANY information that will show what kind of satellite or spying capabilities they have....

 

[21merc7]

As far as I have seen, NO ONE has divulged the location of the aircraft at 8:11......only that it was detected by a satellite. Does anyone know where it was? thanks jmo

This is the most info I can find:

8:11 a.m. A commercial satellite, operated by the British company Inmarsat and orbiting more than 22,000 miles above earth, makes its last connection with the plane — an hourly digital "handshake," as industry officials have described it.

Using the angle of the satellite, investigators drew two vast arcs. The plane is believed to have been along one of those arcs at 8:11 a.m.

Upgrades to the Inmarsat system allow it to receive position, altitude and speed data from aircraft, but Flight 370 was not equipped to broadcast that data, people briefed on the investigation told The Wall Street Journal.

One of the arcs stretches from mountainous Central Asia to northern Thailand. The other reaches from Indonesia to the vast southern reaches of the Indian Ocean.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101501573

 

[Intermezzo]

I don't have a link as it was stated on CNN. Nothing suspicious was found on Pilots simulator.

my DH does not believe it was the Pilot's

he is still suspicious of the 2 Iranians though..

DH began taking Flying lessons 2 years ago..he said if he could he'd have a simulator in our house too just like the pilot did.

 

[Intermezzo]

I know Malaysia has not done a good job overall, but they seem to be trying. And they also seem to be sharing information.

I want to know why China is being so silent??

Majority of passengers are their citizens. They are releasing no information about what they know, they are not even releasing whether their own radar has picked up or not picked up the plane.

I would also like to know why other countries, who surely have some information, are being so silent (US, UK, Pakistan, India, Israel, etc., etc.). These countries must have some done some intelligence-gathering by now regarding this plane or what might have happened to it.

Malaysia is in the best position for people to criticize it.

As others have said, this is all just too confusing.

BBM
What about the Russian's, no word from them..they seem to be keeping mum.
They have satellites, don't they?

 

[jmcgladr]

Pilot on CNN said he is NOT comfortable with the "all right, good night" sign-off. Says Asians don't usually use that vernacular. Says he would like to hear that whole coversation (15-20 minutes before that), to hear the context of the conversation. Said Asians usually very precise and use proper sign-off terms.

Very interesting.

"good night" - followed by the "lights" (ACARS) being turned off. It makes an eerie sort of sense, IMO. Just one possible explanation for that word choice.

 

[Softail]

Cell phone question.

I don't have one, so I don't know the answer.

If the plane was over water, would there even be any type of cell phone tower for cell phones to make contact with? NO

I know the plane would have a SAT phone, but cell phones wouldn't work even if someone tried would they? NO

If a cell phone even tried, that would not show up in the cell phone call logs or records, if it couldn't work would it? No

(Also, if they are alive and I, very unfortunately, do not think they are, they could be in an area with no way to use cell phones to make contact. Not all areas can.)

My answers in red.

On your last point, even if they were alive, chances are the phones are all dead. It's been almost 2 weeks without charging.

The only way a phone would have been able to be pinged on a tower, is if it dropped altitude enough to reach a cell tower. Last week it was being tossed around that if the plane was low enough and went over Kota Bharu it could be possible that there was some cell phone data. I've assumed the authorities already know this information. Whether or not there was any data.

 

[aa9511]

CNN - theory of some fire, turning to go to nearest airport, then becoming incapacitated, plane keeps flying until it runs out of fuel -

-But someone turned transponder off.
-someone turned Acars off.
-this would have to be relatively slow-moving fire to give time for pilots to navigate and turn towards airport, so would the fire have completely destroyed all means of communication b/w cockpit and ATC?
-also does not account for 8:11 satellite ping (of course we don't know if this ping is even accurate or real or not)

IDK about this.

 

[Intermezzo]

Man on CNN (Pilot) just said if there was an electrical fire there would be no auto pilot.

Is he forgetting the plane flew for a few more hours..a plane on fire could still fly for many hours???

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Then if they looked over their radar and DID NOT see an unidentified plane like the 777 travelling through its Western lands, why didn't they confirm it?

That would not be making them vulnerable. That would be telling the world, we have radar there, we were monitoring the radar, and we didn't see anything unusual.

JMO.

Probably because, if the plane were suddenly found in China, it's easier to pass the buck if you don't have to deny the truth of what you've already said.

Malaysia should take notes.

 

[jmcgladr]

Maybe both of them could have seen the plane.
How far away can you see a bright light (fire) up in the sky in the horizon? What about at nighttime?

Wasn't there a meteor reported in the area? That would possibly explain the rather distant fire in the sky that the one guy on the oil rig saw - though not the low flying plane in the Maldives, since that was described in detail as a jet plane.

 

[aa9511]

This is just mind-boggling and will we EVER know what happened?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

CNN - theory of some fire, turning to go to nearest airport, then becoming incapacitated, plane keeps flying until it runs out of fuel -

-But someone turned transponder off.
-someone turned Acars off.
-this would have to be relatively slow-moving fire to give time for pilots to navigate and turn towards airport, so would the fire have completely destroyed all means of communication b/w cockpit and ATC?
-also does not account for 8:11 satellite ping (of course we don't know if this ping is even accurate or real or not)

IDK about this.

Yes, bolded above (and flying several hours by waystops) would seem to indicate purposeful commandeering of the airplane. They determined hijacking/air piracy for at least those known reasons.

A plane on fire would not fly 'several hours' - it would land at the nearest available airport if able to fly at all, and would not return to land only to fly out over the sea again (beyond the west coast). JMO

 

[1&2&3]

How confusing! From the map showing TWO possible routes the plane may have taken according to satellite pings, that is the first thing to confuse me! How can one plane go such different routes? It looks like it was planned to throw searchers off. Is there any chance a second plane could have been shadowing MH370 and they went different ways to cause these pings?

A second issue that I have not seen disclosed, is how much fuel was actually loaded onto this plane? Have you seen it? If not, this is very disturbing as that is a key factor in what the Malaysian government is not telling!

 

[txsvicki]

Is he forgetting the plane flew for a few more hours..a plane on fire could still fly for many hours???

The pilot with the 'startlingly simple" theory in the link a few pages back said the lack of oxygen up at 45,000 ft could have been done on purpose to put out the fire.