Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #14

[Woe.be.gone]

We went through this when it first came out what was said, and I am sure it was determined that they were speaking English.

But why release the transcript as translated from Mandarin to English?
They have peeps who speak and write English. Why not a direct transcript in English? Makes no sense.

For instance, in the Thai language when parting, one says 'Sawadee'. But this could be day or night. In English you could insert 'see you', 'bye-bye', 'later alligator', 'I'm leaving', 'goodbye', 'good day' and or 'good night'.

It makes me uneasy if a Mandarin word was used and then someone chose an English word to fit the Mandarin word.
The ATC people were saying 'good night' several times before the pilot allegedly did. Were they really saying something equivalent to 'over and out' but somehow 'good night' got substituted?
It was actually morning any way and nobody was about to go to sleep which is when we say good night in English.

Did they translate a simple 'bye' into 'good night'? Does it matter? Am I making an sense?

Did they use 'alright' for 'will do' or akin to 'affirmative' (contact ATC Vietnam)? (I'm certifiable now.)

ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT DID THE PILOT SAY. Why involve Mandarin in the mix?

 

[CARIIS]

Went to my mailbox, totally moved me, and summed it all up...Its a stunning cover huh--gave me goosebumps.........



https://theweek.com/article/covers/newest/1/58256

 

[Prosecution_Rests]

The 12,000 foot drop, the issue with the autopilot vs. manual steering, the speculation of a fire, still does not explain the transponders being turned off.

Therein lies the rub.

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't think there's actually writing on his shirt.
No other photos of the three have writing on the shirt.
IMO, it's a caption for the picture.

:facepalm: Thanks.

Thanks for posting.
Does anyone see a large backpack? I see laptop bags, but, not backpacks.

You can see the strap on the second guy from the left.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

But why release the transcript as translated from Mandarin to English?
They have peeps who speak and write English. Why not a direct transcript in English? Makes no sense.

For instance, in the Thai language when parting, one says 'Sawadee'. But this could be day or night. In English you could insert 'see you', 'bye-bye', 'later alligator', 'I'm leaving', 'goodbye', 'good day' and or 'good night'.

It makes me uneasy if a Mandarin word was used and then someone chose an English word to fit the Mandarin word.
The ATC people were saying 'good night' several times before the pilot allegedly did. Were they really saying something equivalent to 'over and out' but somehow 'good night' got substituted?
It was actually morning any way and nobody was about to go to sleep which is when we say good night in English.

Did they translate a simple 'bye' into 'good night'? Does it matter? Am I making an sense?

Did they use 'alright' for 'will do' or akin to 'affirmative' (contact ATC Vietnam)? (I'm certifiable now.)

ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT DID THE PILOT SAY. Why involve Mandarin in the mix?

I suspect that the Malaysian government would not release the transcript, so it was released by the Chinese, who had a copy. It went from English to Mandarin, then back to English.

Yeah, basically, we've got nothing.

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting, too, that China is apparently 'throwing its full weight' (two planes??) behind the search for its missing citizens.

With 153 of its citizens on board the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, China has thrown its full weight behind the multi-national search.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-t...light-mh370-20140323-35ar5.html#ixzz2wpeZzLuY

 

[lawstudent]

Law enforcement/those in charge of the investigation.

But do we have specific named officials? Just trying to work out the conflicting info. For example, local politicians or congressmen in the US have made totally erroneous comments on issues that are being worked on by federal authorities - they don't communicate well. Policeman will say things which totally contradict FBI investigations of the same issue. "Talking heads" on CNN who formerly worked for the government say nonsensical things. Not because they are lying, but because they are misinformed or left out of the loop or want attention, etc. We have to know whether these are Malaysian officials who actually are in on the investigation and know what they are talking about.

 

[cady]

Interesting, too, that China is apparently 'throwing its full weight' (two planes) behind the search for its missing citizens.




http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-t...light-mh370-20140323-35ar5.html#ixzz2wpeZzLuY

Snooping at international "war toys" my opinion only

 

[trigger]

So confused. So the two fisherman were right seeing a low flying plane? Right?

 

[Brightbird]

Ok, I'm questioning whether Malaysian officials ever said anything about the turn west being pre-programmed. This is from the New York Times a week ago.

The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html

 

[ToutCa]

I've just read and am in the process of trying to verify that this Boeing jet was fitted with an Uninterruptible Autopilot System--which has been put on every Boeing jet since 2009 to prevent another 9/11 situation from happening.

ETA: the problem with verifying is, even if all Boeing jets were outfitted with this since 2009, this one was built 12 years ago; wondering if such a system would have been systematically added to jets built before 2009 as well?

Malaysian officials were already asked about this and said MH-370 plane did NOT have this System installed:

Asked whether the Boeing 777-200 (MH370) was equipped with Uninterruptible Autopilot System that can prevent hijacking manually from inside, he said: "The aircraft is equipped as standard. There is nothing additional on the aircraft."

I don't see any info on if Boeing retro-fitted any other pre-2009 planes with the new anti-hijack remote control system.

 

[Nymeria]

The BBC has reported that the French satellite data was in the form of 'satellite-generated radar echoes' rather than images and that an unnamed Malaysian official has said that the data, taken on Friday, included a potential object estimated to be about the same size as one spotted by a Chinese satellite. The site, which is north of the current search zone by some 500-odd miles will be investigated today.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26705073

This has been bugging me.

500 miles NORTH?

Can pieces of this plane actually be that far apart?
I mean, can ocean currents carry one piece that far away from another piece in 14 days (or so)?

 

[CARIIS]

Explainable -- height ceiling for 777 200 is 43,000 higher than that, the air is too thin for this aircraft, for the wings to keep the plane up

it will start to fall out of the sky we all agree whomever was at the controls was a skilled aviator --he knew the ceiling , the aircraft would start to shudder really intense, the only way out DIVE-get airspeed up ,return lift

the same problem was AIr France , they had , less time to recover and the copilot did not grasp what was going on and , basically thier speedometer was clogged due to ice

the copilot thought the opposite of what was really happening and kept pulling up, but in truth the airplane was losing airspeed and lift

and once it hits stall speed there is no lift left and it just falls out of the sky but he was confused he thought the opposite was going and ran out of altitude they were plummeting toward the ocean at like 2 miles a minute

confused he pulled back the throttles at one point totally what you do not want to do

you need speed lift

MAL regained control at whatever it was 27 thousand stabilized

and yes the passengers well the passengers- (447)- it was rough final of couple minutes....................

 

[JerseyGirl]

'Dearest Love': Girlfriend of Missing American Writes to Him Online

The girlfriend of an American aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines jet is writing love letters to him on social media, pouring out her sorrow and hopes for a reunion as the agonizing search for the plane continues.

“Dearest love” and “Good morning, baby” begin personal posts from Sarah Bajc to Philip Wood on Facebook.

“I’m doing my best to bring you hope and courage to continue the fight. So many people have joined in … it has become a prayer storm," she writes. "Can you feel my loving coming through to you? It is bottomless so it should be able to reach, no matter where you are.”

“My feeling is that they’re still alive," Bajc told NBC News last week. "I've had that feeling the whole way through."

Wood's family has also set up a Facebook page, Finding Philip Wood as an “initiative to drive the search for all passengers of MH370.”


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...end-missing-american-writes-him-online-n60021

 

[ilovepierre]

So confused. So the two fisherman were right seeing a low flying plane? Right?

From what I've gathered, yes.
I wonder now if any of the other sightings are credible.
What with this "new" information...

 

[ToutCa]

We may have to wait awhile before it's clear WHEN the "left turn" was programmed.

Malaysia, no doubt concerned about liability, insists no "left turn" was shown on the 1:07am ACARs message. If true, that makes the pilots less likely as suspects.

A puzzling and tardy denial, as earlier reports had claimed the 1:07am ACARS message showed the "left turn" already programmed, casting suspicion on the pilots.

This is a high-stakes debate. We'll have to wait for more definitive, specific ACARS details from investigators.

 

[hockeymom]

I'm totally confused!! I can't imagine what these poor families are going through!! Who do they believe? So is the Indian Ocean still on the flight path?
I heard yet another expert say that the fact that the plane was flying at 12,0000 ft tells him someone was trying to avoid radar. This is ridiculous!!!

 

[LaLaw2000]

There are Australian oranges (when the oranges are "off season" here in the U.S.) and New Zealand Kiwi fruit in the supermarket all the time, in addition to the typical fruits and vegetables from Mexico. It has to get here somehow!

Well, I still say that it gets here via ship, not airplane. Gonna let this go now, but will cease input since so many people seem to think I am crazy for stating this.

Geeze, all I did was state that I didn't think the wooden pallet spotted in the Indian Ocean was from the plane and that it might be from other cargo. Actually, it could have been from a ship.

:moo:

 

[LambChop]

But why release the transcript as translated from Mandarin to English?
They have peeps who speak and write English. Why not a direct transcript in English? Makes no sense.

For instance, in the Thai language when parting, one says 'Sawadee'. But this could be day or night. In English you could insert 'see you', 'bye-bye', 'later alligator', 'I'm leaving', 'goodbye', 'good day' and or 'good night'.

It makes me uneasy if a Mandarin word was used and then someone chose an English word to fit the Mandarin word.
The ATC people were saying 'good night' several times before the pilot allegedly did. Were they really saying something equivalent to 'over and out' but somehow 'good night' got substituted?
It was actually morning any way and nobody was about to go to sleep which is when we say good night in English.

Did they translate a simple 'bye' into 'good night'? Does it matter? Am I making an sense?

Did they use 'alright' for 'will do' or akin to 'affirmative' (contact ATC Vietnam)? (I'm certifiable now.)

ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT DID THE PILOT SAY. Why involve Mandarin in the mix?

Just a guess but I would think the Chinese were the first to ask for the transcript and rightfully so. It may have been translated into Mandarin for them. If it were published than I imagine it was translated into English for the media. jmo

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

This is all I could find about whether or not the Uninterruptible Autopilot System had been installed on the missing plane:

UPDATE 20: MISSING MH370: Investigators going through pilot's phone call

21 March 2014| last updated at 09:01PM

SEPANG: The investigation team is going through the record call made by MH370 pilot, Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah from the cockpit, reportedly minutes before the flight took off.

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the the phone call record had been submitted to the investigation team, together with information on the cargo manifest.

Explaining further on the cargo manifest, Ahmad Jauhari said the aircraft carried small batteries, but they had been approved and up to par of safety standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). ...

Ahmad Jauhari said it was not unusual for airlines to carry such goods in the cargo, stressing that:
"The goods have been flown by many airlines cargo. Airlines do this all the time, not only MAS."

Asked whether the Boeing 777-200 (MH370) was equipped with Uninterruptible Autopilot System that can prevent hijacking manually from inside, he said: "The aircraft is equipped as standard.
There is nothing additional on the aircraft."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...0+&cd=17&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a