Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #14

[SouthAussie]

Many years ago (1948-1952), the technology was developed that allowed an unmanned plane (the Jindivik .. and others) to fly/be flown.

Control was maintained through an autopilot that received radio commands from the ground, rather than direct flight by a ground controller.

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/GAF_Jindivik


I wonder if there is now, many years later in 2014, technology that can hijack a commercial plane’s autopilot and fly the plane from the ground? Or try to fly it from the ground, if very erratically?

Just thinking outside the square .....

 

[Boodles]

I have been watching CNN and Don try to be the mediator between the expert guests and the flight simulator people. Everyone is doing good except Don who keeps messing up and confusing the heck out of everyone. CNN needs to let the guests talk directly to the simulator guys. Don has made mistake after mistake as he tries to make any sense out of anything.

And this whole "Breaking News" every time they come back is ridiculous because there hasnt been any real breaking news since the plane disappeared. CNN needs to stop doing that because it is de-sensitising us to what breaking news really is.

Yeah. I wanna tweet them: " is this new breaking news or the same breaking news you've been talking about for 6 hours?"

 

[popsicle]

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 1m https://twitter.com/cctvnews

AMSA’s schedule shows that 10 airplanes to join Monday’s search operation for the #MH370, including two from China & two from Japan.

 

[Tiepos]

Also, regarding the various locations of potential debris.

If I’m remembering correctly, the first satellite image, taken on the 16th (??) after the plane disappeared, showed potential debris in one location. The second image, taken by the Chinese satellite on the 18th (??), showed more (or the same) potential debris 100km or so southwest of the original satellite hit, right?

So now, if it was the same debris, would the current not be carrying it in a southwestern direction?

How then would the new French data (captured this Friday, the 21st, right?) show debris 500km to the north? If the theory is that debris has drifted there, isn’t it drifting in the opposite direction?

I fully admit that I haven’t given this a ton of thought, so I could be missing something obvious. :laughitup:


Also, if there was a midair explosion, that would have been detected on the systems mentioned on the previous page, yes?

 

[redheadedgal]

Well, I still say that it gets here via ship, not airplane. Gonna let this go now, but will cease input since so many people seem to think I am crazy for stating this.

perishables (many fruits, vegs, fish etc) often shipped via air to ensure freshness for consumers:

http://www.foodlogistics.com/article/10657411/shipping-perishables-by-air-cargo

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/97921/EU-Last-3-years-Air-delivery-has-been-increased

*not sure if pallets make it onboard... some pics show only airline containers loaded with fruit and pallets left behind while others show pallets @ loading site...

 

[ElleElle]

'Dearest Love': Girlfriend of Missing American Writes to Him Online

The girlfriend of an American aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines jet is writing love letters to him on social media, pouring out her sorrow and hopes for a reunion as the agonizing search for the plane continues.

“Dearest love” and “Good morning, baby” begin personal posts from Sarah Bajc to Philip Wood on Facebook.

“I’m doing my best to bring you hope and courage to continue the fight. So many people have joined in … it has become a prayer storm," she writes. "Can you feel my loving coming through to you? It is bottomless so it should be able to reach, no matter where you are.”

“My feeling is that they’re still alive," Bajc told NBC News last week. "I've had that feeling the whole way through."

Wood's family has also set up a Facebook page, Finding Philip Wood as an “initiative to drive the search for all passengers of MH370.”


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...end-missing-american-writes-him-online-n60021

BBM ~ I love her. :loveyou:

She is an inspiration of hope. And, I have the same gut feeling.

 

[Nymeria]

SORRY ABOUT THE LIME:facepalm:

Just put it in the coconut and mix it all up...... :crazy:

:giggle:

 

[ElleElle]

It makes sense that they would want to enter separately at the airport and if I was them I would have stayed well away from the other the whole time.

Looking at the second photo of them with their jackets on, looks to me like they are entering the airport TOGETHER. One is right behind the other coming through a door.

Edit. Maybe that is not from them entering the airport but well inside it. They are together though.

The second photo appears as though they are in line for boarding. I would imagine they got seats next to each other at a separate time.

 

[redheadedgal]

SORRY ABOUT THE LIME:facepalm:

no-- lime is always good. margarita anyone? i know i could use one about now !!

 

[mck16]

No snark. Just wondering where all these British or accented spokes people are coming from. ty

 

[CARIIS]

Just rtying to get caught up..................

some questions

FIRE: am i misunderstanding the folks that think fire. THey believe that a fire started, killed the tranponder, then incapacated the pilots, but the coordinates that were entered beofore the auto pilot and half of Acars was somehow not impacted by the raging infrerno which explains how the plane flew in a controlled manner for the next 6 hours? Dont get it !

FRUIT: when the X wa asked early on about dangerous cargo his answer , his only pick was some g99 d999 tangerines, if your gonna lie at least pick something not so silly to answer when being asked about dangerous good , say something like i dont know couple of inflated tires, something fruit and then 9 days later opps in the belly is the highest classification of hazardoues goods (us wont let passenger aircraft put litthium batts in the cargo holds anymore

its also "interesting" that every 3-4 days china releases a "new" sat photo (that looks just like the othr one) that sends the kabang back over to the other side of planet.

come in a cyclone they wont go out to rescue a 45 ton cargo liner , but in a cyclone they are dispatching searchers to look for what has thus far been a pile of wood and some objects that are gone its ludicrious at least come up wiht some mistruths that are just not so

well silly.......................its maddening well its been a couple of days so china should release a new sat phot tomm or the next that sends the gang over calafornia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ilovepierre]

I agree and think where they are looking now for the satellite images is just way too far south and is going to turn out to be a wash.

There was 1 fisherman I think who said he saw a fireball or something. I would like to see him reinterviewed and would like to have debris looked for in the area he said he saw the fire ball.

And there was that oil rig worker who claimed he saw something on fire in the sky. I think there may be something to these sightings from the early days! It just seems too coincidental that a handful of people saw what looked like the plane around the same time the plane dropped off radar.

 

[ilovepierre]

no-- lime is always good. margarita anyone? i know i could use one about now !!

I'd love one!
:loveyou:

 

[aa9511]

Explainable -- height ceiling for 777 200 is 43,000 higher than that, the air is too thin for this aircraft, for the wings to keep the plane up

it will start to fall out of the sky we all agree whomever was at the controls was a skilled aviator --he knew the ceiling , the aircraft would start to shudder really intense, the only way out DIVE-get airspeed up ,return lift

the same problem was AIr France , they had , less time to recover and the copilot did not grasp what was going on and , basically thier speedometer was clogged due to ice

the copilot thought the opposite of what was really happening and kept pulling up, but in truth the airplane was losing airspeed and lift

and once it hits stall speed there is no lift left and it just falls out of the sky but he was confused he thought the opposite was going and ran out of altitude they were plummeting toward the ocean at like 2 miles a minute

confused he pulled back the throttles at one point totally what you do not want to do

you need speed lift

MAL regained control at whatever it was 27 thousand stabilized

and yes the passengers well the passengers- (447)- it was rough final of couple minutes....................

Does anyone know where exactly Malaysia officials are getting the information about the altitude from (45,000 feet, 28,, 500 feet)?

There has been so much confusion that I am forgetting how they got the original information.

 

[CARIIS]

the three systems that would stop on a impact stay running and the two systems that would activate in the event of a crash have done nothing

just think it landed!

 

[LambChop]

Also, regarding the various locations of potential debris.

If I’m remembering correctly, the first satellite image, taken on the 16th (??) after the plane disappeared, showed potential debris in one location. The second image, taken by the Chinese satellite on the 18th (??), showed more (or the same) potential debris 100km or so southwest of the original satellite hit, right?

So now, if it was the same debris, would the current not be carrying it in a southwestern direction?

How then would the new French data (captured this Friday, the 21st, right?) show debris 500km to the north? If the theory is that debris has drifted there, isn’t it drifting in the opposite direction?

I fully admit that I haven’t given this a ton of thought, so I could be missing something obvious. :laughitup:


Also, if there was a midair explosion, that would have been detected on the systems mentioned on the previous page, yes?

I'm thinking if it went into the ocean and was fairly deep, not everything would breakaway immediately. That depending on where the plane landed it might continue to break apart releasing floatable items that make their way to the surface. This could account for the differences in their locations. jmo

 

[ElleElle]

Thank you. I think this might be one area where the Malaysians haven’t backtracked at all. It’s been the Americans who have insisted all along that the new route was entered before ACARS was disabled.


Regarding all of this “gliding” business - please, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but an un-piloted plane isn’t going to smoothly glide on its own, is it?

The oft-cited cases of a plane gliding in for a water landing, whether there were survivors or not, involved a pilot actively working the controls to control descent, yes?

BBM~ IMO, it would not glide it is was on auto-pilot. But, I don't know anymore. :banghead:

 

[LaLaw2000]

The Malaysian government better get its act together. There are people risking their lives to search for debris in the hellish Indian Ocean. If the plane never turned, they need to open their mouths and stop this before more innocent people lose their lives. My opinion only. (End rant.)

I totally agree with you, JaimeSommers. This whole thing with the Malaysian government has been ridiculous from the beginning.

Some days I think the plane never turned unless it was down and to the west to try to land in Viet Nam somewhere. I watched a whole series of videos of plane crashes on video yesterday. The videos were sponsored by National Geographic and others on youtube.

I watched a video on a British Airways Flight #38. Approximately 20 minutes into the video, there was mention of a Malaysian flight was being 'computer driven' (their words). The auto-pilot pulled the nose of the plane up to approximately 38,000 feet. The pilot did manage to get the plane safely down, but they were over land. That video was @
http://youtube.com/watch?v=THiegvdmU

So their are instances of the auto-pilot malfunctioning in the 777. Can't remember where the other video was, but there was an instance of the auto-pilot disengaging when bumped and the plane making a rapid descent.

I have begun to think there was an electrical fire onboard, the auto-pilot malfunctioned, drove the nose up, then rapid descent. Then everything came back online. The pilot could have tried to land the plane on the nearest land which would most likely be in Viet Nam. I think that just maybe that guy on the oil rig did actually see something. This crew and the passengers may be on dry land and desperately need rescued.

There is always a first time for everything. There may be a first time for the 777 to malfunction in a certain way.

Have we begun to build planes smarter than we are? The plane can fly itself and even land itself. What next?

I need to stick to crimes and mysteries on the ground I think!

:moo:

 

[Hatfield]

I'm thinking if it went into the ocean and was fairly deep, not everything would breakaway immediately. That depending on where the plane landed it might continue to break apart releasing floatable items that make their way to the surface. This could account for the differences in their locations. jmo

Yeah, and if the plane happened to do a smooth belly flop landing like Sully did in NY East River then there is a chance it just slowly sank eventually with little or no debris ever floating up. In the NY incident that plane was slowly sinking and if it was in deeper water I think the whole plane would have eventually sunk to bottom.

JMO based on what little I know based on watching news reports.

 

[aa9511]

BBM
It makes sense that they would want to enter separately at the airport and if I was them I would have stayed well away from the other the whole time.

Looking at the second photo of them with their jackets on, looks to me like they are entering the airport TOGETHER. One is right behind the other coming through a door.

Edit. Maybe that is not from them entering the airport but well inside it. They are together though.

Together? Not together? Together? Not together?

Who knows at this point.

Maybe the guy who hosted them in Malaysia is just running with this and starting to give out elaborated versions of the story.

As a poster so smartly said, why would they have booked the same flight (together), if they were afraid of being seen together b/c of their stolen passports?