Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[QueenD]

I just logged onto CNN to see if anything new today.

I am so sorry to hear today's news.

 

[popsicle]

Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 3m https://twitter.com/FG_STrim

Boeing "saddened by announcement by Malaysia PM regarding #MH370. Thoughts & deepest sympathies with families & loved ones of those aboard"

 

[J1981]

Many thanks to the UK, US, Australia, Japan, (missing anyone?) for their tireless searching of data and oceans- otherwise we may not have ever gotten answers.
IMO.

 

[Waddles]

Many thanks to the UK, US, Australia, Japan, (missing anyone?) for their tireless searching of data and oceans- otherwise we may not have ever gotten answers.
IMO.

New Zealand! :blowkiss:

 

[aa9511]

first thing I see today in the MAL guy giving what is the standard annoncement ...soory to advise fight c has crashed at b and there are no survivors.

He leaves.

Lemmon comes back with what happened to flight 370 we still have no idea..................................


what did I miss in the interium???

:facepalm:

Lemmon was right - we stlll have no idea.

I would venture to say that, in public, there are probably more questions now than before.

However, we don't know what they know and we don't know what information they've given directly to the families.

The Inmarsat VP seemed very sure that the plane took Southern route. He said "no way" it took Northern route.

Malaysian PM and Malaysian officials say Southern routh.

US seems to think Southern route - they sent planes and ships there.

Aussies think Southern route for sure.

So I guess we can conclude that whatever information they all have, it points directly to Southern route.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
Video: Relatives in Beijing are devastated and refuse to believe the missing aircraft ended in southern Indian Ocean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4ZbEgzBG4&feature=youtu.be …

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
China's Foreign Ministry demands Malaysia provide information, evidence on #MH370. China will continue its search operations.

https://twitter.com/cctvnews

I understand this b/c without any proof, how can they just take their word?

 

[J1981]

I understand this b/c without any proof, how can they just take their word?

At this point? They can't. None of us can!
BUT the fact that this new data comes straight from the UK makes it MUCH more reliable. That's the only reason I can believe it- it's from a very advanced and non-corrupt country and not Malaysia.

Sorry if that was mean, but Malaysia hasn't been doing much right IMO.

 

[Skigh]

I am sure it is not just the British satellite information that has led to this conclusion. There could be other countries who have supplied information but do not want it to be made public.

There must have been information which led to so many countries paying millions to put their ships and planes in this area over a week ago.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Many thanks to the UK, US, Australia, Japan, (missing anyone?) for their tireless searching of data and oceans- otherwise we may not have ever gotten answers.
IMO.

MALAYSIA, AUSTRALIA, CHINA, UNITED STATES, KAZAKHSTAN, INDONESIA, PAKISTAN, INDIA, THAILAND, Bangladesh, Brunei, France, Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Myanmar, New Zealand, Philippines, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...-for-the-missing-malaysian-jet_n_4978261.html

Thank You :loveyou:

 

[newone]

:facepalm:

Lemmon was right - we stlll have no idea.

I would venture to say that, in public, there are probably more questions now than before.

However, we don't know what they know and we don't know what information they've given directly to the families.

The Inmarsat VP seemed very sure that the plane took Southern route. He said "no way" it took Northern route.

Malaysian PM and Malaysian officials say Southern routh.

US seems to think Southern route - they sent planes and ships there.

Aussies think Southern route for sure.

So I guess we can conclude that whatever information they all have, it points directly to Southern route.

JMO.

With all the brilliant minds ((seriously I have utmost respect for those gifted souls who work in hi tech)) who have been working on this - I want to believe their conclusion.

I do not envy the searchers who must be really working on adrenaline at this point to find real proof so that they can locate the black box (we all want that the most I think at this point).

What I find daunting is the amount of debris that has been reported and how much is out there.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_garbage_patch"]Indian Ocean garbage patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

when you look at this map of the vortex of the patch off the western coast of Australia it is hair raising.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Prime Ministers statement

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ff3e02-b35e-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html

I think he could be using the term 'new data' in a confusing manner where new data came from a reanalysis of the same data they had.

No, i heard the head of immersat on Anderson coopers hour or two, they used a whole new way of crunching numbers, never done before and then sent it out to be vetted and verified, it totally ruled out the northern Indian Ocean and put it in the southern indian ocean away from any possible landing sites. New data not old

 

[Woe.be.gone]

"have concluded" per PM RAZAK

Replaying news conference on CNN now. He said the word "concluded".

 

[Boodles]

Jim Clancy on CNN just talking about delay of officials in declaring the plane missing.

I just keep thinking - when they couldn't find 370 on radar, what if they had sent a fighter jet shortly afterward to go look for it?

How different the ending might have been. Well, we do not know what would have happened even then so I guess so use in thinking about it. It could have ended up with the same end result either way, we don't know.

The fact that this unidentified "rogue" plane flew right by multiple Malaysian military radar trackers is maddening. You're right, we don't know how this might have turned out. But if they had been doing their jobs, there would not have been 16 days of utter torture for the passenger/crew loved ones. They would gave known the disposition of their loved ones quickly if the responsible parties had been paying attention. And I include the inept Malaysia Airlines as a negligent party. They dropped the ball and dragged their feet due to pride.

I guess that's why pride is one of the "deadly sins." It serves no healthy purpose.

 

[time]

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/24/Missing-MH370-Air-Security/

from this link ((used in previous post))

India revealed that Nicobar and Andaman radar was turned off because of the high cost off electricity to run the radar -- it seems this loss of MH370 was more political than we all realize because none of the neighboring countries wanted to share information about their radar technological abilities or disabilities. Perception is everything in national defence. According to this link Malaysia revealed more than may have been astute under normal circumstances.

Ouch....

looks like Malaysian Air Force is buying new planes ((MH370 fiasco quoted in this article as reason for new planes for Air Force))

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/malaysia-receives-first-2-su30mkms-03336/

The first article is very interesting, thank you. I am not buying all the hoogie boogie about it not being the Malaysian Military's job to pay attention to commercial airplanes or that they do not need to worry about anyone coming into their airspace. From your link...

MIT aeronautics and astronautics professor Dr R. John Hansman says MH370 did not have to cross the airspace of other countries as it could have remained over international waters away from countries or military radar.

And

He points out too that if any other country had switched off their radar to cut costs, in all likelihood they would not disclose this information to other countries, because it would not look good on them and their military.

And

As Soejatman rightly points out, “defence is not just about capability, but also hiding such capability or the lack of it”. He notes that no country will publicly admit to using classified technologies to find the aircraft.

And adding this...

But the apparent failure of Malaysia, which has a defence agreement with Britain, to notice that the plane had changed direction, fallen off the radar and then flown towards and through its air space has identified serious loopholes in its air defences.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/24/Missing-MH370-Air-Security/

 

[dotr]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/inmarsat-missing-flight-mh370-tracked-162708166.html#bHdb48i
" Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Inmarsat had pioneered a new type of analysis never before used to pinpoint the plane's last known location.

Chris McLoughlin, senior vice president of Inmarsat, told Sky News his company had analysed data from flights that took a similar path to MH370 in order to reach its conclusion.

"What we did two weeks ago was say it could be north or it could be south, and what we've done is refined that with the signals we got from other aircraft and that gives you a very good fit," he said.

"Previous aircraft provided a pattern, and that pattern to the south is virtually what we got in our suggested estimate. The fit is very, very strong."

bbm

 

[SilkySifaka]

I want to hear from Imarsat directly. How did they come by their conclusions and when exactly they told Malaysian authorites?

They are on cnn or were and explained how they came to their conclusions. It was very interesting

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

On BBC they're saying the data shows it flying at around 33,000ft and on a steady heading probably autopilot.

 

[aa9511]

I am sure it is not just the British satellite information that has led to this conclusion. There could be other countries who have supplied information but do not want it to be made public.

There must have been information which led to so many countries paying millions to put their ships and planes in this area over a week ago.

Hmm...good point.

We have not heard anything about Indonesia other than something about they didn't want other countries' ships searching around them, IIRC.

What if Indonesia military radar has given data to the Malaysians that they DID detect an unidentified plane like 777 going through their radar??

But they gave it on strict instructions to NOT make this information public?

That would, IMO, make it pretty clear that it took Southern route and there would be no question.

JMO.

 

[Boodles]

With all the brilliant minds ((seriously I have utmost respect for those gifted souls who work in hi tech)) who have been working on this - I want to believe their conclusion.

I do not envy the searchers who must be really working on adrenaline at this point to find real proof so that they can locate the black box (we all want that the most I think at this point).

What I find daunting is the amount of debris that has been reported and how much is out there.

Indian Ocean garbage patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

when you look at this map of the vortex of the patch off the western coast of Australia it is hair raising.

Hair raising and disgusting. We world citizens should speak up and take action to stop this! I don't know how but will research this. I am sickened by what I have read. In every sample of H2O taken in a study, there was plastic content. Sickening.

 

[kalekona]

Like I said last night the very fact that so many countries have spend so many millions searching the southern location made it pretty clear they had real reason to look there not just the word of Malaysia.

So sadly we now know the "where" we may never know "why"