Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[Holly G. Lightly]

RE 12,000ft.............Does anyone know if autopilot can change flight levels without input from pilots? Altitude had to be much higher to conserve fuel enough to get as far as it did. Seems as though it would indicate whether it was piloted by a person or not. If all were deceased, how could flight level change? And if it was being piloted and stabilized, then why not THEN try to land somewhere. Apologies for mumbo-jumbo! JMO

I was reading about the Payne Stewart plane yesterday, and it did change altitude while flying under autopilot.

ETA: It may have been one of the other planes listed at the bottom of the article. Sorry, I need to run.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash"]1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[aa9511]

And one more thing:

We see re: the last point of military radar contact, that it makes sense if the plane then took a Northern route. Because it is around the border b/w Malaysia and Thailand. So therefore, it would be the LAST time military radar caught it before it left Malaysian military radar coverage.

But if it went South arc, there is still much of Malaysia left down South of that last military contact waypoint. Almost all of Malaysia is down South of that point. So wouldn't military radar have caught ANOTHER point of contact if 370 went all the way down South and then over Indonesia?

Unless it went West, and THEN turned south-ish direction? But then would they have had enough fuel to make it all the way to the 8:11 satellite ping? I donn't think it would have had enough fuel.

This is getting stranger and stranger, not any more clear now than it was before this "definitive" statement.

JMO.

 

[kalekona]

Wolf Blitzer is an idiot. He wants the head of Inmarsat to state as a fact that the plane went down in the Indian Ocean. Surely Wolf is intelligent enough to know that this is a data analysis conclusion. The head of Inmarsat wasn't an eye witness. Way to get people riled up to promote controversy for the sake of ratings, Wolf. Idiot.

Blitzer is an <modsnip> it really irritated me listening to that exchange.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Investigators believe someone on the flight shut off the plane's communications systems. Partial military radar tracking showed it turning west and re-crossing the Malay Peninsula, apparently under the control of a skilled pilot.

That has led them to focus on hijacking or sabotage, but investigators have not ruled out technical problems. Faint electronic "pings" also detected by Inmarsat suggested it flew for another six hours or so, but the initial analysis could do no better than place its final signal on one of two vast arcs, the north and south corridors.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140324


Back to square one. We don't know any more than we knew before the announcement. IMO

 

[aa9511]

First have no issues with having been wrong trust me. Now CNN the imerstat guy is on interviewed his answers were just like PM were back to we cant confirm our best guess our info believes that in all liklihoood probably we hope we suspect we cant state for sure bla bla bla again

after all the world has been thro you think you find something you seend 425 planes , in stages, they circle they never let someones eyes off drop basketballs what ever

I will be off the the board ,for I guess maybe an hour or two , <modsnip>

but will be back after I find some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then i am thinking they probably already have like a safety card , shoe or something like right now I hope

bbm

I hope you're kidding.

 

[Momoffourboys]

American intelligence agents are said to be steering Malaysian officials towards examining the backgrounds of Captain Shah, 53, and his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-fbi-3276536#ixzz2wu8NTKdk
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Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah with his wife Faizah Khan and two of their three children.
The estranged wife of pilot Zaharie Ahmed Shah will be interrogated as investigators' suspicions mount that he may have hijacked flight MH370.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-captains-wife-faces-interrogation-1441602

 

[popsicle]

Investigators believe someone on the flight shut off the plane's communications systems. Partial military radar tracking showed it turning west and re-crossing the Malay Peninsula, apparently under the control of a skilled pilot.

That has led them to focus on hijacking or sabotage, but investigators have not ruled out technical problems. Faint electronic "pings" also detected by Inmarsat suggested it flew for another six hours or so, but the initial analysis could do no better than place its final signal on one of two vast arcs, the north and south corridors.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140324


Back to square one. We don't know any more than we knew before the announcement. IMO

Asked how Inmarsat experts had made the breakthrough, Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president for external affairs, said: "They tested (the earlier findings) against a number of known flights of other aircraft and came to the conclusion that only the southern route was possible."

The new method "gives the approximate direction of travel, plus or minus about 100 miles, to a track line," he told Britain's Sky News.

"Unfortunately this is a 1990s satellite over the Indian Ocean that is not GPS-equipped. All we believe we can do is to say that we believe it is in this general location, but we cannot give you the final few feet and inches where it landed. It's not that sort of system."

 

[aa9511]

With the video of the families becoming very angry at the press gathered outside of their meeting room - that could have all been avoided if the police had just required the press to stand back a set amount of feet? Why did they allow press so close right along the path where the families walk out of the conference room?

 

[cady]

O/T

In the mid to late 80's, my husband enlisted in the USN, was stationed in Guam and assigned to a supply ship in which was often deployed with a fleet. It was standard procedure for all of the boats to dump their trash overboard, once out to sea...that was over twenty years ago, no telling how long ocean dumping has been going on, and I'm fairly certain we are not the only country to have done this/still doing this?? It's outrageous, to say the least! And people scratch their heads wondering why hundreds of birds and fish are turning up dead? Wow! A mystery here...

YES. I was thinking maybe they should be looking for fields of dead sea life and where the birds are swarming because of toxins from the crash..........but the sea is so vast that the toxic flotsam is probably well-dispersed. jmo

 

[newone]

American intelligence agents are said to be steering Malaysian officials towards examining the backgrounds of Captain Shah, 53, and his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-fbi-3276536#ixzz2wu8NTKdk
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah with his wife Faizah Khan and two of their three children.
The estranged wife of pilot Zaharie Ahmed Shah will be interrogated as investigators' suspicions mount that he may have hijacked flight MH370.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-captains-wife-faces-interrogation-1441602

very troublesome.....that phone call could sound ominous

 

[aa9511]

Chad Myers did very good explanation of Inmarsat satellite pings.

However, I am still confused how the signals "moving away or getting closer" couldn't work for the Northern route? Because the pings would have been on an arc. And the arcs are equi-distant from the satellite, going north or south.

Confusion!

What I honestly think is that they ruled out much of the Northern arc based on countries' reporting of whether or not their military radars caught the plane going over their airspace.

JMO.

 

[stx722]

There are just almost even more questions now, IMO.

Then there's this thing about maybe descending to 12,000 feet? That kind of makes me think, well ok maybe there really were trying to land at an airport?

But then there are also reports that then the plane went back up to 29.500 feet, IIRC.

And Richard Quest on CNN saying that for the plane to make it all the way to where it (possibly) did, then the plane would have to have been going at a higher altitude. So meaning someone put the plane back up to the higher altitude.

I go back to my "test run theory" - that hijackers did this for a test run. To test out whatever they wanted to test out. Maybe getting through security? Maybe using shoe bombs to get into the cockpit? Maybe be able to navigate b/w two countries' ATC in order to fool everyone? Maybe how to take over the cockpit? How to disable the pilots and possibly the passengers and thus make it possible for the hijackers to take over the plane? If this was really teorrist hijacking, there are about a million things that were tested on this flight.

What if their entire plan was to "test" these things out and then, like some others have said, to make the plan go to a remote place where they knew it would be hard to find. IDK. Maybe they don't want the black box to be found.

JMO.

I have thought from early on that this is what went on
( a test of some sort)

 

[aa9511]

Oh now they're gonna go back to the flight simulator on CNN. Sigh.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Who didn't know this was coming? There is still no definitive answer and the Indian Ocean crash landing scenario was on tap when Malaysia kept repeating the need to search south. I wondered at the time why they were so persistent without proof.

It is plausible the airplane went down on autopilot (fits with my original theory of hypoxia event), but it is troubling there is not one shred of physical evidence. IF they are wrong and this aircraft did land somewhere...the true danger is they won't be looking for this plane anymore.

 

[Momoffourboys]

It remains unclear what caused the plane to divert from its original course to Beijing, and the investigation is ongoing. Authorities are considering hijacking, sabotage, terrorism and issues related to the mental health of the pilots or someone else on board.

Malaysia's police chief, Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar, reiterated at a news conference Monday that all the passengers have been cleared of suspicion.

But he said that the pilots and crew were still being investigated. He would not comment on whether investigators have recovered the files that were deleted a month earlier from the home flight simulator of the chief pilot.



http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/24/australians-chinesespotobjectsinindianocean.html

 

[LambChop]

I had to remove a number of posts because they were off topic. Please stay on topic.

And stop the name calling and inappropriate comments about newscasters.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Chad Myers did very good explanation of Inmarsat satellite pings.

However, I am still confused how the signals "moving away or getting closer" couldn't work for the Northern route? Because the pings would have been on an arc. And the arcs are equi-distant from the satellite, going north or south.

Confusion!

What I honestly think is that they ruled out much of the Northern arc based on countries' reporting of whether or not their military radars caught the plane going over their airspace.

JMO.

Too bad they didn't make all of those countries do their reports hooked up to lie detector tests.

 

[newone]

Oh now they're gonna go back to the flight simulator on CNN. Sigh.

why don't they triangulate the pings on the two minute phone call to see where the phone call was made??

They know where the sim card was purchased.......interview the seller of the phone card and check surveillance cameras

:drumroll:

 

[popsicle]

Jon Williams &#8207;@WilliamsJon 4m https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon

Malaysian Airlines to hold news conference at 12.30am ET following announcement by @NajibRazak that #MH370 feared lost in South Indian Ocean

eta

Jon Williams &#8207;@WilliamsJon 5m

Chairman of #MalaysiaAirlines & CEO both expected to address media at KL airport #MH370

 

[JerseyGirl]

Oh now they're gonna go back to the flight simulator on CNN. Sigh.

Honestly,they are like little kids with a new toy.

Enough already!