Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[Isabelle]

Since I really know nothing at all about flying a plane, take this with a huge grain.

I "think" if a plane has lost control (no pilots to control, autopilot malfunction) I don't think it flies in a straight pattern.

Makes sense to me. If altitude is also controlled by auto pilot which is off/malfunction I guess it would descend.

 

[Isabelle]

the last visual sighting of the rectangular orange and circular green/grey objects by the Australian plane I think is very concrete, I think this is it

I hope they are able to retrieve those objects.

 

[popsicle]

Navy Prepares Black Box Locator for MH370 Search
From U.S. 7th Fleet Public Affairs

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=79838

 

[Isabelle]

Hoping the voice recorder didn't fail as did the transponder and ACARS systems did!

 

[Momoffourboys]

I am fairly confident that they know much more than they are releasing. The U.S is shipping specific and pricey equipment and would not do so without confirmation.



"The U.S. Navy is sending a supersensitive hydrophone listening device to Australia to be on standby if debris from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is found and a search for the plane's voice and data recorders can be done, a U.S. military official said Sunday. The device is pulled behind a ship at slow speeds and is used by the Navy to find downed aircraft to a depth of 20,000 feet.
The equipment was moved to JFK International Airport in New York on Sunday and will be shipped to Australia via commercial air Monday, the official said, emphasizing that the move doesn't signal any change in the status of the search."


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-up-to-speed/

 

[Hatfield]

Why would someone want to frame a pilot? He is not a political figure.

Not that we need a new theory but I think I just thought of one.

Lets suppose the government of Malaysia was really mad at this pilot and decided to poison him so they broke into his house to poison his food while he was in court the other day.

Then they never expected him to show up for work but when he did they figured he did not eat anything at home. However they didnt realize he brought peanut butter and jelley sandwhiches he made at his house for the long nightly flight.

And during the flight he breaks out his sandwhiches and his copilot is also hungry and he kindly offers him one of his sandwhiches. They both eat and keel over from cyanide poisoning and since they locked the cabin door then nobody in the passenger compartment can get in to help them.

Cyanide hits you very fast and so they may not have gotten off a distress signal. Remember the defendent guy in court who ate cyanide and keeled over in just a few minutes.

Then the government knows what happened so they immediately go to his house and makes sure wife is moved out of the home so she doesnt eat any food there.

I know it is far fetched but I dont like the way the Malasia government has been handling this from the start. They seem to be hiding something and just want this to go away. Like keep looking down there and stay away from up our way.

 

[newone]

What if ..... (God forbid) there was an exercise taking place and the plane accidentally targeted? ((awful))

 

[time]

Why would someone want to frame a pilot? He is not a political figure.

No, I don't think he is a 'political figure', he may be an activist and he was at Anwar's trial just hours before the plane took off. I think there are two possibilities related...one, the finger is being pointed at him after the fact for deflection or just smearing, or, two, he is just a means to and end, e.g., this will lead to something bigger concerning the opposing party - assuming it could be something again that is untrue or trumped up. I guess a third option is that there is an unknown related to his political persuasions that we don't know about.

 

[ann-other]

Here is what I could find. Good that they can talk with a psychologist to help with the grieving (eventually), but I don't think that any barrier can be broken in the lifetime of learning to mistrust Malaysia. I am so sorry for them. Just cannot imagine the grief.

Statement:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10718181/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-live.html

"At 10pm on March 25, the Malaysian prime minister sent a statement to the families of MH370 passengers without any direct evidence that MH370 crashed in the south Indian ocean and no people survived.

That was my point several posts previously, no direct evidence for the families and to me, that is cruel.

 

[time]

I agree and I still want questions answered. Mainly just want them to prove and show debris is tied to the plane. Once they can show me any pieices at all in the ocean came from the plane then I will know it crashed there.

I keep thinking they are just too far south. But I will go with whereverer it is once they show me real pieces of debris picked out of the ocean.

Heck, I would just like to see a complete flight map heading to that South location - does one exist and I just missed it because I never find on that connects all the dots, e.g., waypoints/neccessary turns/arc/timing etc.

 

[amandab]

Personally, I think the explanation for this tragedy is simple, and far less nefarious. Some manner of fire on board prompted the pilots to go up to 45,000 feet in an effort to suffocate the fire via lack of oxygen. They also turned sharply in an effort to get to a close runway to make an emergency landing.

Their efforts failed, they were overcome, and the plane kept on flying until it exhausted its fuel tanks and crashed into the ocean.

Prayers for all of the families involved - this is horrendous.

 

[Hatfield]

What if ..... (God forbid) there was an exercise taking place and the plane accidentally targeted? ((awful))

Or they were just mistaken for an enemy aircraft and because their radios failed for some reason they could not respond and were shot down by Malaysia itself.

This type of thing would really explain what looks to me from the outside the hiding of some information. The other pings could have been their own jets doing flying maneuvers after the shoot down.

I do think something like this is very plausible. Maybe not likely but plausible. If they came across more forthcoming I would not feel this way.

 

[writer7]

-done something new. Used the ability to work out the time differences b/w signals to and from our satellite and our network to determine a direction of travel.

Then we continued looking at pings - we compared to other similar flights to establish a pattern. What we discovered is that the southern path predicted is very much in line with the pattern we saw - ruling out the norhtern path.

-says no way it went North.

-talks about "handshake." Satellite is like handset, ACARS is like an app on the handset. App was turned off, but "handset" wasnt.

-Has reached the limit of any research they can do on the data from the plane.

-"Doppler Shift" - simle terms - way of how we see the effect of the small shift of the satellie in space relative to the aircraft. From that process, compression or expansion of the wavelength, you can know whether the aircraft is moving closer to further away from the satellite.

***my note - I don't really see how they can determine southern path from doppler shift b/c northern route would also be equidistant? Wouldn't the wavelengths be the same distance on both arcs? IDK.

-Q: what made Inmarsat go back and look at the data again?
A: We weren't party to the investigation at first. We were just providing data. His understanding is that investigators were trying to rule out possibilities and their data was being weighed against the Northern route - there were "sheer number of" ships at sea along Northern routh, very difficult to believe no watch captain would not see a plane in distress, burning or distressed aircraft. Nor could they say how it would go through defense systems in North, primarily India. So question marks.

Went to US experts for fruther study. He thinks the sudden turn South of USS Kidd and sending Poseidon reprenents time when investigators fairy certain of Southern route.

I'm answering this without reading all the other responses knowing I may be embarrassed by a much better response in a few more pages from where I read, lol!

If I understand it correctly, we have two different 'knowns' going on with the pings. There is the time 'known', through which the arcs were figured. That gives a distance from the satellite that is equidistant, yes.

But, if there is a doppler effect, there are also wavelengths (of sound in the cases I've been reading about). But wavelengths aren't time, so I take it it's fair to say that's the second 'known': the wavelengths.

The satellite really was either north or south of the plane, so the constraint of the "distance only" data was just a data problem. If they had a way to measure the appropriate wavelengths to see a doppler effect, that could tell direction.

Presumably all the data crunching was comparing known entities (other planes, maybe quick studies, etc) to see if the doppler effect they were able to pick up was significant enough to actually mean something. And I guess it did!

A few analysts' blogs I've been reading have been hypothesizing a 'subtle doppler effect' for a while now, so I trust that it's possible (and I trust Inmersat that way anyway, them being good ole careful Brits ).

 

[Hatfield]

Personally, I think the explanation for this tragedy is simple, and far less nefarious. Some manner of fire on board prompted the pilots to go up to 45,000 feet in an effort to suffocate the fire via lack of oxygen. They also turned sharply in an effort to get to a close runway to make an emergency landing.

Their efforts failed, they were overcome, and the plane kept on flying until it exhausted its fuel tanks and crashed into the ocean.

Prayers for all of the families involved - this is horrendous.

Its another good plausible theory that has more or less been tossed around before. The only thing about this one that I cant explain though is the no calling for May-Day or help. Because if just a normal fire, what are the odds it would take out both the ACRES system and the other system that the officiials have told us was turned off before the guy even said "good night".
What are the odds they could not at least get out 1 mayday call at first sign of smoke.

The other thing is it seems if the transponders were turned off before saying good night then that implies someone doing something on purpose to kill the communications to that plane.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Originally Posted by Curious in Indiana
My opinion isn't worth much but will we ever know the truth of what happened to that plane? I am very suspect right now. They have had many days to come up with this story. As of today, if they showed us pieces of wreckage, etc. I would still wonder if it was planted there. Have so many questions of the government framing the pilot. It would have been so easy for him to just take the plane down immediately. To think he would fly north, then south, under the radar, shadowing another plane, etc., just doesn't make any sense. Something else has to be going on. Must be others involved for other reasons, and I have no ideas as to what is going on. I do think someone knows and we will never find out.

It's almost like the Malaysian government thought that if they come out and say "plane ended up in Indian ocean...no survivors...." that people woudl just be like, oh okay, we can let this go now. Or something?? I don't know.

I completely understand that maybe their whole goal was to just have the families start accepting that their loved ones did not survive.

But they have A LOT A LOT A LOT A LOT more infomration, IMO. SOMEONE did SOMETHING to that plane.

The Malaysian government has NEVER, IIRC, spoken about this aspect of it.

It's all very strange.

Almost like they think everyone will just believe the plane just flew itself down there, no foul play involved, and ok, if you want to believe foul play, fine, just think that one of the pilots did it. Pilot or co-pilot did it. There. Fine. That's it. Bye-bye.

That's seriously what it sounds right now when they are not giving out any more information.

JMO.

Sadly, I have to admit I expected things to end this way--that Malaysia at some point would declare this plane crashed at sea. However, I was surprised at the seeming abruptness and brevity of the announcement this morning. I also still believe this plane was hijacked (that's saved for theory thread). Too much weirdness, waffling, evasiveness, and too many inexplicable and even suspect actions daily in this tragedy--coupled with some odd coincidences surrounding the plane's passengers and crew. Too many unanswered questions for this to be giving anyone closure, let alone family members. I predict we will never really know for sure what happened to this plane and the people on it, even if the black box is recovered.

The Malaysian columnist nailed it; "The M in MH370 Stands for 'Mum.'"

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, it is not like the Malaysian government came out with this claim on their own today...seems to backed up by US etc...if not words, by actions. It is not fair, IMO, to blame the Malaysian's on the contents of today's announcement.

 

[21merc7]

Personally, I think the explanation for this tragedy is simple, and far less nefarious. Some manner of fire on board prompted the pilots to go up to 45,000 feet in an effort to suffocate the fire via lack of oxygen. They also turned sharply in an effort to get to a close runway to make an emergency landing.

Their efforts failed, they were overcome, and the plane kept on flying until it exhausted its fuel tanks and crashed into the ocean.

Prayers for all of the families involved - this is horrendous.

Have no idea if it was a fire, a short, or what, but I do agree it was something to do with the plane. Just my thoughts on it, which are by far, not knowledgeable about the subject.

For all the families sake, I hope something clearly identifiable, can be found.

 

[Hatfield]

IMO, it is not like the Malaysian government came out with this claim on their own today...seems to backed up by US etc...if not words, by actions. It is not fair, IMO, to blame the Malaysian's on the contents of today's announcement.

True but it is their fault the way they dragged the families in as if to put a finishing touch on this and try to make it all go away with their announcment.

I took it as "See folks, its over now, so please go home because you are not going to get any more info from us".

 

[popsicle]

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[PoirotryInMotion]

Why would someone want to frame a pilot? He is not a political figure.

I think I'd put it this way...I tend to think the Malaysian government would not deeply regret his demise. The Captain was vocal and active in the opposition party (the party opposing the present, corrupt regime in power). That 'opposition' is the reason for his wearing the Democracy t-shirt in one of those pics that has been published. The day before the flight he attended the verdict (or some final proceedings) of a male relative of his on trial for opposing the current regime. Based on what little I know about him, I don't think he'd necessarily be targeted, but I do think the current government might consider him a convenient scapegoat.