Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

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Here is what I could find. Good that they can talk with a psychologist to help with the grieving (eventually), but I don't think that any barrier can be broken in the lifetime of learning to mistrust Malaysia. I am so sorry for them. Just cannot imagine the grief. :(

Statement:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10718181/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-live.html

So just to be clear... this is only a statement from the CHINESE passengers families.
I think that should have been clarified in the statement... because reading "the 154 passengers...." :dunno:

There was 239 people on this plane, just clarifying "the 154 Chinese passengers" would have been better.
Though even that seems wrong because there was the two toddlers that are Chinese Americans.
I don't know why that rubbed me the wrong way... but it did. :twocents:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/23/Snapshots-of-MH370-passengers-and-crew/

As the hours drag into days and now weeks, the anguish and agony felt by the families of the 239 on board the missing MH370 have become even more profound. For their loved ones, these people from 14 countries are more than just another statistic - they are doting grandparents, caring mums and dads, filial sons and daughters, loving spouses, boyfriends or girlfriends and cuddly little ones just waiting to be hugged.

Whether they are ordinary folk, crew members, world famous artists or top-notch engineers, everyone is unique in his or her own way and equally cherished.
 
  • #423
Or he was being set-up because of his political affiliations. I really have to wonder what the likelihood is of Zaharie being involved with a terror group. Of course, the possibility exists that someone called him because they do not want the prevailing government to know who they are given their penchance for arresting people on false charges.

This is very strange how this might be setting up to be a lot like the movie Non-Stop.
 
  • #424
Here is what I could find. Good that they can talk with a psychologist to help with the grieving (eventually), but I don't think that any barrier can be broken in the lifetime of learning to mistrust Malaysia. I am so sorry for them. Just cannot imagine the grief. :(

Statement:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10718181/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-live.html

Thanks.

That is a very strongly-worded statement.

My thoughts go out to all the families, may that find the strength to heal.
 
  • #425
I am looking for an answer that I can't wrap my brain around. 6 hours is half a day, the earth rotates one turn in 24 hours. The earth would have turned 1/4 turn in the time that the plane was on a straight ? line of travel, iirc. Where would the plane have been heading for when it took that 6 hour straight ride/fly? For it to end up down in the middle of no where? idk jmo hope this makes sense.

I have never thought of that.
 
  • #426
What's Next?

Aviation experts say it may take months to years to recover wreckage and the cockpit voice and flight data recorders of the Boeing 777. It could also take years before an accident report is released with a probable cause.

Analysis of satellite data is a very preliminary step, and wreckage and the recorders must be recovered before facts are established, says former National Transportation Safety Board accident investigator Al Yurman.

"Some parts have to be recovered and positively identified that they came from that Malaysia Airlines plane," Yurman says. Once there is positive identification, investigators "have to backtrack" and find a debris field to determine whether the plane made a controlled or an uncontrolled descent into the ocean, he says.
A debris field "could be 20 miles or hundreds of miles" from where satellite images showed what is believed to be wreckage of the Malaysian jumbo jet.

Former National Transportation Safety Board chairman Jim Hall says there could be multiple debris fields. He says much depends on ocean currents that could have scattered wreckage. "We don't know how many debris fields there are," Hall says.

Hall and Yurman say the depth of the ocean may make it difficult to recover wreckage, and they expect most or much of the wreckage to go unrecovered.


The U.S. Navy is moving a black-box locator into the area of the Indian Ocean where searchers are looking for wreckage of the Malaysian Airlines plane, the Department of Defense said Monday. The move "is a precautionary measure in case a debris field is located," the department said. If a debris field is confirmed, the Navy's Towed Pinger Locator 25 "will add a significant advantage" in locating the missing jet's black box, the department said. Navy Commander Chris Budde said the locator has "highly sensitive listening capability" that "can hear the black box pinger down to a depth of about 20,000 feet."

Neither Hall nor Yurman expect wreckage from the Malaysia Airlines plane to be reconstructed on land to give investigators clues to the cause of the crash, as was done by U.S. and Canadian aviation authorities after jetliners crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in two accidents two decades ago.

Causes of airline accidents are not always found. "The probable cause of the Malaysia Airlines accident could end up undetermined," Yurman says.

Yurman says that, until wreckage is recovered and more information is learned — particularly from the cockpit-voice and flight-data recorders — he could not speculate whether the plane crashed from mechanical problems or actions of anyone in the cockpit.

The search for wreckage is very costly. Hall says an international agreement to divide the cost of the search must immediately be reached between the countries involved. Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent in the search to recover the Air France wreckage, he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-flight-370-investigation-whats-next/6825415/

bbm
 
  • #427
Please bear with me, just thinking aloud here.

-I'm trying to connect the fact that the military waypoints clearly showed the plane to be headed in the northwest direction, with the apparent fact that it ended up turning around after that last military radar contact, and going South. That would lead me to believe that whoever was piloting it at the time wanted people to think the plane went North.

-But it actually went South, in totally different direction. Seems very much like they didn't want anyone to find the plane, b/c they seemed to set investigators up to search in a north-ward direction, which would be completely opposite from where it actually went.

-I have to think, whoever took over the plane, did not know about these "satellite ping" issue. They did not know the engine was secretely sending handshakes to the satellite.

If we think about that, they did not know any arcs (north or south) could ever be drawn up. Sure seems to me like they did not think anyone would find the plane all the way down where they had pre-planned where it might end up. (or at least not for a VERY long time).

-If we did not have the arc evidence (satellite pings), probably no one would think to look all the way down there. Thus evidence of plane would not be found anytime soon. So did they want this so the black box wouldn't be found within 30 days?

-They didn't let it on auto=pilot north direction, b/c it woudl have crashed on land and thus people would have probably seen it and reported it, they would know exactly where it crashed.

-Set auto-pilot South direction, it would crash in remote part of ocean, no one probably see it.

BUT THEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS:

-How did they think the Indonesian radar wouldn't catch the plane passing ACROSS it?
-Why would they care whether plane crash was discovered soon or not? Only thing I can think of is black box do not want to be found within 30 days. They don't want black box found....but if black box only record last2 hours, and if all passengers were dead, there would be only silence on the black box (that is too sad to even write).
-What did the hijackers or whoever took over the plane do? Let's say they killed pilots and passengers - they must have killed themselves too before the plane actually crashed in the water.


JMO.

Too many unanswered questions. If the plane did go to 45,000 feet as once told I would suspect that the people without oxygen mask would die. And if there was a person or two that did this and the plane did then descend to 5000 feet could they then parachute out. idk The whole thing just does not make sense.
 
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My opinion isn't worth much but will we ever know the truth of what happened to that plane? I am very suspect right now. They have had many days to come up with this story. As of today, if they showed us pieces of wreckage, etc. I would still wonder if it was planted there. Have so many questions of the government framing the pilot. It would have been so easy for him to just take the plane down immediately. To think he would fly north, then south, under the radar, shadowing another plane, etc., just doesn't make any sense. Something else has to be going on. Must be others involved for other reasons, and I have no ideas as to what is going on. I do think someone knows and we will never find out.

It's almost like the Malaysian government thought that if they come out and say "plane ended up in Indian ocean...no survivors...." that people woudl just be like, oh okay, we can let this go now. Or something?? I don't know.

I completely understand that maybe their whole goal was to just have the families start accepting that their loved ones did not survive.

But they have A LOT A LOT A LOT A LOT more infomration, IMO. SOMEONE did SOMETHING to that plane.

The Malaysian government has NEVER, IIRC, spoken about this aspect of it.

It's all very strange.

Almost like they think everyone will just believe the plane just flew itself down there, no foul play involved, and ok, if you want to believe foul play, fine, just think that one of the pilots did it. Pilot or co-pilot did it. There. Fine. That's it. Bye-bye.

That's seriously what it sounds right now when they are not giving out any more information.

JMO.
 
  • #429
Too many unanswered questions. If the plane did go to 45,000 feet as once told I would suspect that the people without oxygen mask would die. And if there was a person or two that did this and the plane did then descend to 5000 feet could they then parachute out. idk The whole thing just does not make sense.

Whoa that is a very alarming thought.

OR WHAT ABOUT FROM !2,000 feet???(latest CNN reports saying they have source told them the plane descended to 12,000 feet)?

But they would have had to drop down in Indonesia, right? I don't think they could drop down in the middle of the ocean unless some ship happened to be there right at those coordinates, and that means the ship would have to be colluding with the hijcakers.

:scared::scared:

And also, would the plane automatically adjust its altitude with the auto-pilot?
 
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It's almost like the Malaysian government thought that if they come out and say "plane ended up in Indian ocean...no survivors...." that people woudl just be like, oh okay, we can let this go now. Or something?? I don't know.

I completely understand that maybe their whole goal was to just have the families start accepting that their loved ones did not survive.

But they have A LOT A LOT A LOT A LOT more infomration, IMO. SOMEONE did SOMETHING to that plane.

The Malaysian government has NEVER, IIRC, spoken about this aspect of it.

It's all very strange.

Almost like they think everyone will just believe the plane just flew itself down there, no foul play involved, and ok, if you want to believe foul play, fine, just think that one of the pilots did it. Pilot or co-pilot did it. There. Fine. That's it. Bye-bye.

That's seriously what it sounds right now when they are not giving out any more information.

JMO.

Exactly how I feel. Isn't this typical? "Let's just give any BS excuse to get everyone off our backs and eventually, in a few years, the plane might be found. In the meantime, we don't have to waste manpower, resources or money looking any longer. That's it. Final."

Disgusting.
 
  • #431
Why would someone want to frame a pilot? He is not a political figure.
 
  • #432
I can't wait for daylight in the Indian Ocean. I hope that debris turns out to be definitive.
 
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From the last thread, forgot to comment on:





They have the ability and they do collect data continually. Boeing or Rolls Royce will deny it if it suits security purposes.

From an article by New Scientist dated March 11, 2014:




Re: the cargo...it may be that Malaysia can't reveal cargo manifest due to certain privacy laws (eg the Int'l Civil Aviation Organisation rules, or additional ones). The 20 Freescale passengers were on a business trip and undoubtedly had some equipment on the plane as part of that (prototypes, etc.). Boeing (and other companies manufacturing defense and spy equipment) probably also have some interests in keeping things secret.


A few interesting rabbit-trail reads along those lines:

"Within its bowels, The Boeing Co. holds volumes of proprietary information deemed so valuable that the company has entire teams dedicated to making sure that private information stays private."
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/ar...rs-1255840.php

Boeing develops self-destructing phone for spies, diplomats.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/ga...-1226840180061

Ex-Boeing engineer gets 15 years in spy case.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...6174XF20100208


I was looking forward to reading the ''rabbit trail'' but each of those links is ''unavailable'' -- hmmmmm --
 
  • #434
I can't wait for daylight in the Indian Ocean. I hope that debris turns out to be definitive.

Well most of us have probably been thinking that every day for the last week or so, and so far nothing. Nothing comes of the daylight.
 
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He also said the type of analysis used to investigate the mystery of the jetliner has never been used before.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-03/24/c_133210694.htm

Meanwhile, the U.S. Pacific Command has ordered the Pacific Fleet to move a black box locator into the region, according to a U.S. Navy statement released on Sunday.

In the statement, the U.S. Navy stressed that the deployment of the locator, namely the Towed Pinger Locator 25 (TPL-25), was only a "precautionary measure in case a debris field is located."

http://www.phnx-international.com/specs/TPL-25_SpecSheet.pdf
 
  • #437
Well most of us have probably been thinking that every day for the last week or so, and so far nothing. Nothing comes of the daylight.

Yes, but this is debris spotted by a searching aircraft, not a 4-day old satellite image. That makes me more hopeful.
 
  • #438
Well most of us have probably been thinking that every day for the last week or so, and so far nothing. Nothing comes of the daylight.

the last visual sighting of the rectangular orange and circular green/grey objects by the Australian plane I think is very concrete, I think this is it
 
  • #439
the last visual sighting of the rectangular orange and circular green/grey objects by the Australian plane I think is very concrete, I think this is it

I pray you're right! :please:

If this is what was their fate, their families and loved ones need to know.
 
  • #440
My opinion isn't worth much but will we ever know the truth of what happened to that plane? I am very suspect right now. They have had many days to come up with this story. As of today, if they showed us pieces of wreckage, etc. I would still wonder if it was planted there. Have so many questions of the government framing the pilot. It would have been so easy for him to just take the plane down immediately. To think he would fly north, then south, under the radar, shadowing another plane, etc., just doesn't make any sense. Something else has to be going on. Must be others involved for other reasons, and I have no ideas as to what is going on. I do think someone knows and we will never find out.

I agree and I still want questions answered. Mainly just want them to prove and show debris is tied to the plane. Once they can show me any pieices at all in the ocean came from the plane then I will know it crashed there.

I keep thinking they are just too far south. But I will go with whereverer it is once they show me real pieces of debris picked out of the ocean.
 
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