Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[JudyBolton]

I am withholding judgement at this point in time. I would love to see a list of the things the Malaysian government has said that later proved to be untrue!

 

[newone]

I want to hear from Imarsat directly. How did they come by their conclusions and when exactly they told Malaysian authorites?

maybe this will shed some light

http://www.inmarsat.com/news/washington-post-tracks-inmarsat-role-hunt-mh370/

 

[faw720]

I have no link yet... But KFI 640 (radio channel) I am listening right now claims the information of specific points where plane went down WAS discovered days ago... But just released by Malaysia today... (Saying they received the info. Today)...

I will try to fink a link... Unless someone finds one earlier...

JMO

That sounds reasonable to me. I don't think we will ever receive information in a timely manner. There are so many different governments involved & I'm sure there are all sorts of political maneuvers & security issues involved.

 

[aa9511]

-done something new. Used the ability to work out the time differences b/w signals to and from our satellite and our network to determine a direction of travel.

Then we continued looking at pings - we compared to other similar flights to establish a pattern. What we discovered is that the southern path predicted is very much in line with the pattern we saw - ruling out the norhtern path.

-says no way it went North.

-talks about "handshake." Satellite is like handset, ACARS is like an app on the handset. App was turned off, but "handset" wasnt.

-Has reached the limit of any research they can do on the data from the plane.

-"Doppler Shift" - simle terms - way of how we see the effect of the small shift of the satellie in space relative to the aircraft. From that process, compression or expansion of the wavelength, you can know whether the aircraft is moving closer to further away from the satellite.

***my note - I don't really see how they can determine southern path from doppler shift b/c northern route would also be equidistant? Wouldn't the wavelengths be the same distance on both arcs? IDK.

-Q: what made Inmarsat go back and look at the data again?
A: We weren't party to the investigation at first. We were just providing data. His understanding is that investigators were trying to rule out possibilities and their data was being weighed against the Northern route - there were "sheer number of" ships at sea along Northern routh, very difficult to believe no watch captain would not see a plane in distress, burning or distressed aircraft. Nor could they say how it would go through defense systems in North, primarily India. So question marks.

Went to US experts for fruther study. He thinks the sudden turn South of USS Kidd and sending Poseidon reprenents time when investigators fairy certain of Southern route.

 

[Boodles]

Thank you... I have been looking all over for any details. I'd especially like to know if this is basically a reverification or actually new data? And, if this is the 'arc' data, how have they ruled out the Northern route.

(or am I misunderstanding all this?)

Not new raw data per se. Rather, calculations and conclusions by looking at varying aspects of the data. A sr VP of Inmarsat spoke on CNN and gave a high level explanation. I didn't understand it, but the CNN weather guy did. I heard the word Doppler in the explanation...

 

[JudyBolton]

From an NTSB Investigator, “Based on current know facts #MH370 would have flown 6.5hrs to reach crash area but flew 7.5?” Every answer only brings more questions...more inconsistencies...

 

[ToutCa]

My heart goes out to the families.

Let's wait for confirmation, while acknowledging that the evidence has been pointing to this sad resolution for some time.

Even if the wreckage is soon confirmed, it does NOT clarify what went wrong and who is responsible. There is a lot of work ahead.

 

[rhapsdy]

-done something new. Used the ability to work out the time differences b/w signals to and from our satellite and our network to determine a direction of travel.

Then we continued looking at pings - we compared to other similar flights to establish a pattern. What we discovered is that the southern path predicted is very much in line with the pattern we saw - ruling out the norhtern path.

-says no way it went North.

-talks about "handshake." Satellite is like handset, ACARS is like an app on the handset. App was turned off, but "handset" wasnt.

-Has reached the limit of any research they can do on the data from the plane.

-"Doppler Shift" - simle terms - way of how we see the effect of the small shift of the satellie in space relative to the aircraft. From that process, compression or expansion of the wavelength, you can know whether the aircraft is moving closer to further away from the satellite.

***my note - I don't really see how they can determine southern path from doppler shift b/c northern route would also be equidistant? Wouldn't the wavelengths be the same distance on both arcs? IDK.

-Q: what made Inmarsat go back and look at the data again?
A: We weren't party to the investigation at first. We were just providing data. His understanding is that investigators were trying to rule out possibilities and their data was being weighed against the Northern route - there were "sheer number of" ships at sea along Northern routh, very difficult to believe no watch captain would not see a plane in distress, burning or distressed aircraft. Nor could they say how it would go through defense systems in North, primarily India. So question marks.

Went to US experts for fruther study. He thinks the sudden turn South of USS Kidd and sending Poseidon reprenents time when investigators fairy certain of Southern route.

I can't help but see a lot of assumptions in everything still, without a lot of definitive answers.

 

[Waddles]

https://twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/448122011433189376/photo/1

 

[Skittles]

-done something new. Used the ability to work out the time differences b/w signals to and from our satellite and our network to determine a direction of travel.

Then we continued looking at pings - we compared to other similar flights to establish a pattern. What we discovered is that the southern path predicted is very much in line with the pattern we saw - ruling out the norhtern path.

-says no way it went North.

-talks about "handshake." Satellite is like handset, ACARS is like an app on the handset. App was turned off, but "handset" wasnt.

-Has reached the limit of any research they can do on the data from the plane.

-"Doppler Shift" - simle terms - way of how we see the effect of the small shift of the satellie in space relative to the aircraft. From that process, compression or expansion of the wavelength, you can know whether the aircraft is moving closer to further away from the satellite.

***my note - I don't really see how they can determine southern path from doppler shift b/c northern route would also be equidistant? Wouldn't the wavelengths be the same distance on both arcs? IDK.

-Q: what made Inmarsat go back and look at the data again?
A: We weren't party to the investigation at first. We were just providing data. His understanding is that investigators were trying to rule out possibilities and their data was being weighed against the Northern route - there were "sheer number of" ships at sea along Northern routh, very difficult to believe no watch captain would not see a plane in distress, burning or distressed aircraft. Nor could they say how it would go through defense systems in North, primarily India. So question marks.

Went to US experts for fruther study. He thinks the sudden turn South of USS Kidd and sending Poseidon reprenents time when investigators fairy certain of Southern route.

Let me add one more thing to aa9511's post. The VP also said it was a mathematics-based process and their analysis was peer reviewed by people in the space industry with contribution from Boeing.


Thanks aa9511 - you got this written up faster than I could!

 

[JerseyGirl]

I can't help but see a lot of assumptions in everything still, without a lot of definitive answers.

This type of case will never have immediate answers. We can be here for years and years, and then get some definitive answers.

Be patient people! We are here for the long haul.

 

[aa9511]

From an NTSB Investigator, “Based on current know facts #MH370 would have flown 6.5hrs to reach crash area but flew 7.5?” Every answer only brings more questions...more inconsistencies...

How did he get 6.5? Did he factor in going northeast, and then turning back around?

 

[aa9511]

Let me add one more thing to aa9511's post. The VP also said it was a mathematics-based process and their analysis was peer reviewed by people in the space industry with contribution from Boeing.


Thanks aa9511 - you got this written up faster than I could!

Thanks for the addition - I forgot about that.

No prob, I used DVR to pause/play, pause/play.

 

[neverletgo]

Mark Stone ‏@Stone_SkyNews

We have asked #Malaysia Airlines about the text messages sent to relatives. Their response here: pic.twitter.com/9fgCU1j8MC

https://twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/448122011433189376/

 

[time]

I can't help but see a lot of assumptions in everything still, without a lot of definitive answers.

That's how I feel about it also

Thank so much aa9511 for summarizing what was said.

Boodles: Not new raw data per se. Rather, calculations and conclusions by looking at varying aspects of the data. A sr VP of Inmarsat spoke on CNN and gave a high level explanation. I didn't understand it, but the CNN weather guy did. I heard the word Doppler in the explanation...

Thank you... I guess a recalculation of existing data, data from other planes they hadn't used and something about data of the plane that let them calculate more about it's position. Still agreeing that they are making a lot of assumptions. Glad it seems more scientific, but any human intervention with raw data still include some bias and errors.

It still does not explain how it got to the 'arc' position after going over Malaysia to me. And, it still does not seem like any kind of catastrophic event, etc.

 

[aa9511]

Jim Clancy on CNN just talking about delay of officials in declaring the plane missing.

I just keep thinking - when they couldn't find 370 on radar, what if they had sent a fighter jet shortly afterward to go look for it?

How different the ending might have been. Well, we do not know what would have happened even then so I guess so use in thinking about it. It could have ended up with the same end result either way, we don't know.

 

[skibaboo]

I have been actively reading here since the day the plane disappeared but not been able to get my head around much of whats happened to contribute. I've been rather obsessed with planes and air crash investigation since Lockerbie and have great faith in the NTSB and the UK equivalent the AAIB. Those guys and gals know what they are doing, they blow my mind.

I want to take a minute to thank everyone here for their input and valuable opinions, I hope you continue to post your thoughts and I hope to be able to contribute a bit myself.

RIP to all those souls lost on MH370 :rose: Such a tragedy whatever happened.

 

[txsvicki]

I never really understood the arcs, but it sounds like the new technology is really good along with common sense in ruling some things out. Very anxious to hear if it was a cabin fire that was put out by ascending so high.

 

[dotr]

bbm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26716572

"Fresh analysis methods

The Malaysian prime minister said Inmarsat had been able to shed further light on the plane's flight path by performing further calculations on the MH370 data "using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort".

According to Inmarsat, this involved a totally new way of modelling, which was why it took time.

The company told the BBC the new calculation involved crunching far more data, which included what other aircraft were doing at the time.

Inmarsat gave the AAIB the new data on Sunday, it said, which had to be checked before it could be made public"

 

[JerseyGirl]

Jim Clancy on CNN just talking about delay of officials in declaring the plane missing.

I just keep thinking - when they couldn't find 370 on radar, what if they had sent a fighter jet shortly afterward to go look for it?

How different the ending might have been. Well, we do not know what would have happened even then so I guess so use in thinking about it. It could have ended up with the same end result either way, we don't know.

I don't believe Malaysia had fighter jets waiting in the wings like here in the US.

No one really knew it was missing. Vietnam and Malayisa were looking for it but figured that their communications systems on the plane went out.

When it didn't arrived at 6:30am, that's when everyone became alarmed.