Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[Wolf Dreamer]

I know people are up in arms about the text message, and that MAL have issued that statement, but I would like to counter people's reaction by adding that it's the total lack of thought in the media, and the hunger of "the public" that will have put them into that position. Once the Malay team had official word the leaks will have started fast and furious, as they do in every single case, and they will have had to ensure they let the families know before a reporter shoved a mike in their face and demanded a reaction.

No-one believes in giving the victims' families time any more. How many reporters now talk about "named locally" to bypass waiting for official ID, thereby risking that family members will find out through public channels? It seems there is no dignity any more, no private grief.

I'd also like to say well done AAIB and Inmarsat who must've worked like the blazes to get this information together in such a short time.

 

[Hatfield]

I can't help but see a lot of assumptions in everything still, without a lot of definitive answers.

That is my feeling as well and I suspect some of the family members as well.

We are past wanting to hear about satellite readings when it comes down to saying family members are definitely dead and stuff. We need positive ID of the debris and nothing less will do.

Everyone knew they were focused on the Indian ocean at this point. Nothing he said gave me anything definitive if it has words like assume and satellite analysis in it.

As unlikely as it is, some family members are probably holding onto hope their family members are clinging to debri. That is why it is so critical that debri is positively ID and that they can then say nobody spotted alive after that.

 

[newone]

I don't believe Malaysia had fighter jets waiting in the wings like here in the US.

Actually they do......

the criticism is in this link about the reason fighters did not intercept

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/24/Missing-MH370-Air-Security/

 

[Roselvr]

Jim Clancy on CNN just talking about delay of officials in declaring the plane missing.

I just keep thinking - when they couldn't find 370 on radar, what if they had sent a fighter jet shortly afterward to go look for it?

How different the ending might have been. Well, we do not know what would have happened even then so I guess so use in thinking about it. It could have ended up with the same end result either way, we don't know.

So many questions.. I know there is significance in the colors of debris found; but I can't offer condolences until something is actually recovered... In such disbelief over the events.. My heart breaks for the loved ones

 

[dotr]

bbm. "The relatives of the 239 people on board MH370 were told the devastating news by text message before the Malaysian Prime Minister's press conference earlier.

Witnesses said there was a scene of utter grief and chaos when families received the news.

Paramedics treated some who collapsed.

Malaysia Airlines has stressed that this was not the only way families were told the news.

The company said management also delivered the message face-to-face at the hotel where the families have been staying.

The SMS was sent to ensure anyone who wasn't there had been informed, the company said.

3:48 pm

While the mystery continues, our immediate thoughts must turn to the families who have just been told that their loved ones are dead.

A total of 227 passengers and 12 crew were on flight MH370, making it one of the deadliest air accidents in aviation history.

Of the 239 people on board, the vast majority were Chinese.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3219331#ixzz2wtjLCc00
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[Hatfield]

I know people are up in arms about the text message, and that MAL have issued that statement, but I would like to counter people's reaction by adding that it's the total lack of thought in the media, and the hunger of "the public" that will have put them into that position. Once the Malay team had official word the leaks will have started fast and furious, as they do in every single case, and they will have had to ensure they let the families know before a reporter shoved a mike in their face and demanded a reaction.

No-one believes in giving the victims' families time any more. How many reporters now talk about "named locally" to bypass waiting for official ID, thereby risking that family members will find out through public channels? It seems there is no dignity any more, no private grief.

I'd also like to say well done AAIB and Inmarsat who must've worked like the blazes to get this information together in such a short time.

Its a good point but there should be professional searchers out there and they should have satelite phones on those planes and ships. They could have confiscated everyone's cell phone before boarding if they are worried about that.

I feel they could make sure the PM is the first one to officially announce positive ID of debri without leaks if they have professionals on board those search units.

 

[time]

I don't believe Malaysia had fighter jets waiting in the wings like here in the US.

No one really knew it was missing. Vietnam and Malayisa were looking for it but figured that their communications systems on the plane went out.

When it didn't arrived at 6:30am, that's when everyone became alarmed.

They are supposed to scramble fighter jets. Another article stated they also have agreements with Britain that they will be notified when something like this happens.

"At the time that whatever radar captured an intrusion into our space by an unidentified plane, why did TUDM not do anything. Where were our 18 Sukhois, our MIG and all that," he asked in his popular blog today, referring to the air force by its Bahasa acronym.

The former Umno politician pointed out the Indian military said the response to an unidentified plane in the country's airspace would be an immediate scramble of its fighter jets to intercept.

"That is how we confirm whether the object is hostile or not - not by waiting for people in the flying object to say - hello general, we are evil people with evil intentions.

"Now in Malaysia’s case, the intrusion was taken lightly or in the worst case of possibilities, our fighter jets were not on standby 24/7.

"That would have important ramifications on our nation’s security," Ariff Sabri wrote.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...on-malaysias-air-force-and-radar-capabilities

Good article... also talks about the money that was spent for upgrades.

 

[Roselvr]

That is my feeling as well and I suspect some of the family members as well.

We are past wanting to hear about satellite readings when it comes down to saying family members are definitely dead and stuff. We need positive ID of the debris and nothing less will do.

Everyone knew they were focused on the Indian ocean at this point. Nothing he said gave me anything definitive if it has words like assume and satellite analysis in it.

As unlikely as it is, some family members are probably holding onto hope their family members are clinging to debri. That is why it is so critical that debri is positively ID and that they can then say nobody spotted alive after that.

You said it better then I could. Didnt see your post till mine submitted. The thread is moving so fast.

 

[newone]

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/24/Missing-MH370-Air-Security/

from this link ((used in previous post))

India revealed that Nicobar and Andaman radar was turned off because of the high cost off electricity to run the radar -- it seems this loss of MH370 was more political than we all realize because none of the neighboring countries wanted to share information about their radar technological abilities or disabilities. Perception is everything in national defence. According to this link Malaysia revealed more than may have been astute under normal circumstances.

Ouch....

looks like Malaysian Air Force is buying new planes ((MH370 fiasco quoted in this article as reason for new planes for Air Force))

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/malaysia-receives-first-2-su30mkms-03336/

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I want to hear from Imarsat directly. How did they come by their conclusions and when exactly they told Malaysian authorites?

I agree that this important, too...

For various reasons...

JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

I want to hear from Imarsat directly. How did they come by their conclusions and when exactly they told Malaysian authorites?

How British Satellite Company Inmarsat Tracked Down MH370

Inmarsat’s role in the search for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 began immediately after the aircraft disappeared. Although the main aircraft communications addressing and reporting system (ACARS) was switched off, one of Inmarsat’s satellites continued to pick up a series of hourly 'pings' from the plane, which would normally be used to synchronise timing information.

By analysing these pings, Inmarsat was able to establish that MH370 continued to fly for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace, and that it had flown along one of two 'corridors' – one arcing north and the other south.

This information was relayed to Malaysian officials by 12 March, but Malaysia's government did not publicly acknowledge it until 15 March, according to the Wall Street Journal. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day, to focus on the areas the information described. However, the lost days and wasted resources have threatened to impede the investigation, according to some officials involved with the probe.

These pings from the satellite – along with assumptions about the plane’s speed – helped Australia and the US National Transportation Safety Board to narrow down the search area to just 3 per cent of the southern corridor on 18 March.

"Effectually we looked at the doppler effect, which is the change in frequency, due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit.

What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route," explained Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat.

"What we discovered was a correlation with the southerly route and not with the northern route after the final turn that the aircraft made, so we could be as close to certain as anybody could be in that situation that it went south."

"Where we then went was to work out where the last ping was, knowing that the aircraft still had some fuel, but that it would have run out before the next automated ping. We don't know what speed the aircraft was flying at, but we assumed about 450 knots."

Inmarsat passed the relevant analysis to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) yesterday. The cause of the crash remains a mystery.

http://malaysiandigest.com/frontpag...lite-company-inmarsat-tracked-down-mh370.html

 

[CARIIS]

first thing I see today in the MAL guy giving what is the standard annoncement ...soory to advise fight c has crashed at b and there are no survivors.

He leaves.

Lemmon comes back with what happened to flight 370 we still have no idea..................................


what did I miss in the interium???

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Its a good point but there should be professional searchers out there and they should have satelite phones on those planes and ships. They could have confiscated everyone's cell phone before boarding if they are worried about that.

I feel they could make sure the PM is the first one to officially announce positive ID of debri without leaks if they have professionals on board those search units.

Doesn't have to be the searchers though. Apart from the fact they will come home and talk to their families, the data and other information will go through many hands. The likelihood is that the embassies/representatives of the countries involved will have been given a heads up. There will always be someone in chains like that who is the weak link. Who maybe emails a friend and tips them off. Or even a family member of the victims.

Seemed the Inmarsat news was unexpected but the media certainly knew about the families being offered trips to Australia within minutes of the news there'd be a press conference.

 

[Isabelle]

I never really understood the arcs, but it sounds like the new technology is really good along with common sense in ruling some things out. Very anxious to hear if it was a cabin fire that was put out by ascending so high.

I hope this is not the result of sloppy safety maintenance!

 

[JerseyGirl]

more from Inmarsat:

Confirmation that it was the southern of these corridors came on Monday afternoon.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Inmarsat had pioneered a new type of analysis never before used to pinpoint the plane's last known location.

Chris McLoughlin, senior vice president of Inmarsat, told Sky News his company had analysed data from flights that took a similar path to MH370 in order to reach its conclusion.

"What we did two weeks ago was say it could be north or it could be south, and what we've done is refined that with the signals we got from other aircraft and that gives you a very good fit," he said.

"Previous aircraft provided a pattern, and that pattern to the south is virtually what we got in our suggested estimate. The fit is very, very strong.

"We passed the information on after it had been peer reviewed by others in the UK air industry and after it had been compared with Boeing."

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/inmarsat_how_missing_flight_mh370_was_tracked

 

[nomoresorrow]

I apologize in advance if this has already been posted...

Passenger Manifest --

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest_Nationality.pdf

 

[popsicle]

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
Video: Relatives in Beijing are devastated and refuse to believe the missing aircraft ended in southern Indian Ocean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4ZbEgzBG4&feature=youtu.be …

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
China's Foreign Ministry demands Malaysia provide information, evidence on #MH370. China will continue its search operations.

https://twitter.com/cctvnews

 

[Isabelle]

Media should not have been allowed anywhere near family members. Why wasn't security provided?

 

[JerseyGirl]

New @TIME International cover story on missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370:

 

[newone]

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
Video: Relatives in Beijing are devastated and refuse to believe the missing aircraft ended in southern Indian Ocean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4ZbEgzBG4&feature=youtu.be …

CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 4m
China's Foreign Ministry demands Malaysia provide information, evidence on #MH370. China will continue its search operations.

https://twitter.com/cctvnews

Who could fault the family members and China for demanding evidence at this point?