Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #18

[ilovepierre]

BBM - I agree!

Me too!
We have the oil rig worker, the fishermen, the villagers in Maldives, the villagers in that town near where the plane went off radar. I dunno. it just seems that all these eye witnesses saw/heard something right around the time the plane went missing/corresponds with the satellite pings.

 

[nerosleuth]

And if improper storage of batteries for the pinger is true, this pinger may have been dead long before 370 took off.

I admit that my technical knowledge about passenger airplanes is very limited.

I do have a question about the batteries for the pinger on the black box.

When the batteries for the pinger had to be changed, is it possible that the pinger batteries were taken out but replacement batteries weren't installed at all in the pinger?

In other words, the pinger didn't have any batteries and the pinger couldn't activate after the plane had crashed.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Orange items?
Let's hope they're not more jellyfish :facepalm:
Life rafts are orange, right?

Life rafts and escape slides...lease:

 

[fruity]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/22267883/black-box-recovery-mission-begins/

So, the mission to recover the black box is underway in an area that has not been confirmed to be where it crashed? Is EVERYTHING about this backwards? Seems like it. IMO

Similarly, the specialist US Navy technology on board the Ocean Shield will not be able to detect the "pinger" within the plane's black box until a more confined search area is identified.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...ng-mission-underway?mch=mobilenh&mchpost=pos1

 

[fruity]

Orange items?
Let's hope they're not more jellyfish :facepalm:
Life rafts are orange, right?

I've seen some big jellyfish but none more than 2m across. Let's hope this is it.

 

[fruity]

I remembered seeing a giant jellyfish in the news. This one was 1.5m across.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-...found-by-schoolboy-on-tasmanian-beach/5241570

 

[ElleElle]

I discounted mechanical failure at 1:21am when the first thing the "captain" did after signing off with Malaysian ATC was to turn off the Transponder.

This is true! I keep forgetting that part.

 

[ElleElle]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...hecks-in-wake-of-disaster-20140330-zqoou.html

BBM1 - I am not getting this. Are they the waypoint stations? I thought the claim was that the military saw the plane but didn't think it was problematic or not their concern?

BBM2 - the ridiculous claims that they will 'do it later' and just the fact that they haven't done it yet is making me upset. Mad, really. So many other countries are using their resources, time, and money - which their citizens pay for - and yet, Malaysia couldn't readjust their standards and expectations for this long.

I believe military radar saw it, but it was "not a threat". I am sorry, but an unknown aircraft flying around should be a threat. What is the point of monitoring it then?

To be honest, I get the feeling Malaysia doesn't really care. :banghead:

 

[ilovepierre]

I've seen some big jellyfish but none more than 2m across. Let's hope this is it.

Me too lease:

 

[lonetraveler]

I have no doubt experts in different countries have seen pings of some sort showing a plane on a southernly route but I can't help but wish that just for the hell of it, they put a bit more effort in a possible northernly route since nothing, nada, zilch has been found in the search area. It just seems to me that way too many fingers are being pointed in just one direction and way too much protesting on a possibility of a northern route. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh no, it can't be in Pakistan or Afghanistan, no way.........................Don't even think about it......we won't even consider it, so we are just going to look south and that's that...............attitude. And no, I don't need to see or hear about all the data that shows a southern crash point. I've read it, seen it, heard it since day one..............I'm just saying when all else fails, why not be open for more possibilites.

 

[ElleElle]

And what if they are withholding evidence? What if they know more but providing false info to us all. And the big question is what could happen to Malaysia if this turned out to be something other than just a plane crash?

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Well, I think Malaysia would lose a lot of tourism. It is a beautiful, tropical country, hence why there were a lot of Chinese on vacation there.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Any ship that collects suspected plane wreckage must hand it over to Australian authorities, said Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transportation Safety Board.

"Any wreckage that is obtained, we will hold on behalf of the Malaysian investigation team and await their instructions," Dolan said. "We're in continual discussions with the Malaysians about the progress of the search and we will continue to discuss with them the handling of wreckage as and when it comes to hand."

Australian government official said ships in the search area have the capability of transmitting photos of recovered debris to experts on the Australian mainland who can make detailed examinations.

The Australian supply ship HMAS Success is searching but is also designated as the ship that will store potential plane wreckage at sea. It has a heavy crane. How transfers of potential plane debris will happen from one ship to another and transferred to the navy base near Perth will be decided on a case by case basis, Walker said.

"They're not going to sail into Perth every time they pick something up," he said. That voyage takes days.


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/mh37...rest-spotted-in-ocean-1.1752588#ixzz2xTmRyoCA

 

[MummaP]

Just been doing some light reading to see if Malaysian airlines had ever had any previous incidents... They have (although it may already have been discussed)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_653

Just wondered if there were any similarities, ie lack of information etc - is quite spookily similar... Especially regards the "good night" being the last communication...

Off to read some more!

 

[ElleElle]

Oh great...now a vessel is missing? This sea is truly a black hole...

Also, the earthquake of 2006 (Tsunami) was in that area as well.

Do we have another "Bermuda Triangle"? :scared:

 

[ElleElle]

That is exactly where I believe it is also. It only makes sense if the plane fell from the sky into the ocean; it wouldn't be floating.

MOO

I wonder how long it would take to drop from 30000 feet or so down with no engines running? And if it would break apart in the middle?

 

[ElleElle]

I don't take the transponder being shut off as nefarious, though. I used to at the beginning, but now I think it was turned off for one of two reasons:
1. Mechanical failure
2. Confusion in cockpit due to hypoxia

I'm trying to look at this incident as a mechanical failure.
Decompression happens in older planes, and I don't trust that this plane was "cleared to fly." Malaysian Airlines isn't going to release what the results were of the safety check because IMO, there was problems with the plane and they were never fixed. It's easier for them to say "Oh yeah, this plane checked out fine. No problems at all."

Yes, but if there was a mechanical issue, why would one close off by saying "Goodnight"? Ego? It could have been an accident, knocking the switch off the transporter, since it's so easy to do. :facepalm:

Just being Devils Advocate.

 

[panthera]

I wonder how long it would take to drop from 30000 feet or so down with no engines running? And if it would break apart in the middle?

"It takes three or four minutes for an airliner to fall out of the sky when it is at cruising altitude, Quest said. He added, "we don't know and won't know for some time whether the plane broke up in the air or entered the water in one piece.""

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/travel/malaysia-airliner-analysis/

 

[momrids6]

Well for a start it's been tracked to the Southern Indian Ocean, by OTHER COUNTRIES .. how on earth did it get down there after being shot out of the sky by Malaysia, are we expected to think that they waited until the pilot changed the course of the plane then shot it down?

If it was shot down by missile :floorlaugh: wouldn't it make more sense to look at North Korea, rather than Malaysia? http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/missile-downed-malaysian-plane/ I can't even find anything online to say for sure if Malaysia even has such capabilities.

I should have went back and clarified that post- I clarified in a later post... I think they may have fired upon their own plane, not blew it out of the sky.

Likely- ehhhh probably not; but imo- Malaysia is in CYA mode

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yes, but if there was a mechanical issue, why would one close off by saying "Goodnight"? Ego? It could have been an accident, knocking the switch off the transporter, since it's so easy to do. :facepalm:

Just being Devils Advocate.

Could the transponder have been turned off without the pilots knowing (eg a mechanical failure or the beginnings of an electrical fire?)

I'm afraid after reading the Daily Mail (pinch of salt, but....) article about the daughter saying the pilot had withdrawn from the family and was to divorce his wife, it's looking like suicide may be a bigger option than I had previously thought.

 

[time]

I thought of that, too, and would like to believe it because it is less nefarious. But then I thought of how that government imprisoned a political opponent on a fake charge, and how they are basically totalitarian. I lived in Hungary just after the Soviets fell there, and it really is true that totalitarian regimes breed corruption and schemes that usually involve either power or money (sometimes just nepotism, etc, lol).

Basically, expect any corrupt nonsense you can think of when there's a hugely powerful government that the people can't trust at all. Certainly the cargo could have had problems the gov't just doesn't want revealed. It may be ineptitude, but it may have involved some official's scheme for money or power, really (imho). I don't know that it relates to the crash, but there's probably something to the lack of disclosure, I think.

And, the problem is that any corruption can easily be hidden, denied, and cannot typcially be proven since no one has access to the information they control let alone that no one is going to talk. Unfortunately, Malaysian's political system is one where they can get away with almost anything they want (within the country/closed loop).