Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[belimom]

But that's not what happened to his plane. It was flying at altitude due to auto pilot, despite everyone on board likely being dead, and radar clearly knew where it was the entire time as planes intercepted it THREE times during its fatal flight, before it stalled out and crashed.

Question, is it still possible to fly under the radar? Or is that a phrase stemming from old technology?

I was following that closely at the time. Our military was prepared to shoot it down also, to prevent it from crashing into a populated area. But it stalled on its own.

 

[MsFacetious]

So basically, now we are to assume the plane lost all power and communication, and somehow glided from 35,000 ft. to the west to the Malacca Straight. :waitasec: I suppose that is possible, but the question still remains - WHY? I still suspect some sort of hijack or terrorism. I just don't believe this plane stopped mid air.

BTW - Can we please stop blowing the margins with large pictures? Makes it very difficult to read! :maddening: Resize them if they are too big, please! :tyou:

If anyone needs help with that, they can send me the picture and I'll resize it for them. :seeya:

 

[Aviator]

Questions regarding the 777 transponder.

IDENT, TCAS and XPNDR Selector
IDENT - Push to transmit an identification signal.
TCAS / XPNDR Selector
Rotate to:
STBY -TCAS and the transponders are in the standby mode.
ALT RPTG OFF -Transponder operates without altitude reporting and TCAS is in the standby mode.
XPNDR -Transponder operates with altitude reporting and TCAS is in the standby mode.
TA ONLY - The transponder is on. TCAS is on but only the Traffic Advisory function of TCAS is operational. Resolution Advisories and pitch guidance are inhibited. The message TA ONLY appears on the ND display.
TA / RA - The transponder is on and all Traffic Advisory and Resolution Advisory function of TCAS is operational. If a TA becomes active, the indications are the same as for TA only.

In the case of this flight, "2157" was selected where the 0000 is currently placed - transponder after start was likely to be in the "TA/RA" function and is selected for the remainder of the flight. Only this being in the "STBY" mode would it enable the aircraft to disappear from FR24/Secondary Radar.

Anything after that is not known to the public, as it seems it's now looking likely the aircraft was flown a further 1 hour after the first 40 minutes before it was known.

 

[Softail]

If anyone needs help with that, they can send me the picture and I'll resize it for them. :seeya:

As always, :yourock:! :skip:

Also, if that was the case that the plane somehow glided for an hour to its doom, and they could not make any radio contact - What a truly frightening experience.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The facts as we know them, so far:

The flight took off a few minutes late at around 12:40am
It was on KL airport radar until 1:30am in the bay between Malaysia and Vietnam
It was caught on Malay air force radar at 2:40am near Pulau Perak, on the other side of Malaysia 200-300 miles off course

There were at least 2 people travelling on stolen passports
There were 4 people who booked tickets but did not check in or fly.

I think that is literally it, there is nothing else confirmed as fact. Please add to this if I've missed anything.

 

[Scottndianner]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-...ines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/

China, where two-thirds of the passengers were from, has urged Malaysian authorities to "speed up the efforts" while also contributing ships and helicopters to the search.

A shopping mall in Beijing suspended advertising on its large outdoor LED screen to display a search timer -- an image of an airplane along with a digital clock marking the time since contact with the flight was lost.

 

[popsicle]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-...ines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/

China, where two-thirds of the passengers were from, has urged Malaysian authorities to "speed up the efforts" while also contributing ships and helicopters to the search.

A shopping mall in Beijing suspended advertising on its large outdoor LED screen to display a search timer -- an image of an airplane along with a digital clock marking the time since contact with the flight was lost.

Powerful.

 

[Aviator]

There were 4 people who booked tickets but did not check in or fly.

Flew with a UK Airline to New York JFK back in June 13' - 35 overbooked, 37 didn't show up. My friend who was on standby travel and one other got onboard with no issues and upgraded to business class.

It happens, Malaysian's 772's are a two class 35 business angle flat seats and 247 standard seats. So aircraft wasn't full - 282 seats available. So aircraft was 80.5% full...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Cockpit for dummies (that be me).
There's (usually) only one transponder, it should always be on. It requires electric power.

So if there's an interruption to the primary electrical system, a near failsafe emergency power system will power the transponder for one or one and a half hours. BUT in order to do this, the transponder must remain on.

Some military radar system (different from civilian ATC) detected the diverted flight route. So possibly whoever turned the transponder off didn't want to be seen and didn't anticipate the military radar detection.

This was my brief tutorial as spoken and shared by the big kahuna. He's adding ~

The purpose of the transponder is to identify a single aircraft with an individual radar identified code number. It doesn't involve voice communication. It transmits location automatically and continually (unless turned off). The switch must be pulled up and then placed (turned) into the off position. You can't accidentally turn it off. When on, it emits a continuous signal positively identifying the location of the aircraft.

 

[mrsu]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...en-in-to-cockpit/story-fnizu68q-1226852101179

MH370 co-pilot shown smoking, bringing women in to cockpit

Photos!

 

[popsicle]

I was taking the last flight out of Denver back to DC one night and they were asking for volunteers to change to a flight the next day because they were overbooked... I ended up in first class.

I have also just not shown up for a flight.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Why wouldn't it? Every big plane crash (well, I guess we don't know if it crashed yet) has a wiki page. It's pretty notable and significant, no matter what happened to it.

Is just thought the news was so "new" to already have a wiki site about it...

Sorry if I offended anyone...

 

[belimom]

I have a new theory.

I now see that it flew over Pulau Perak, not just near it. There is a military radio tower on the island. At that point, it must've been known in Malaysian gov't circles (military?) that this plane was off-course and had disappeared from the official radar. The military was watching it on radar - then "reportedly" it vanished from their radar.

My latest thought? Would someone have taken it down, knowing it was a hijacked plane? Farfetched, maybe.

bbm

According to a CNN report, Flight 370 was hundreds of miles away from where it should have been, according to an unidentified official with the Malaysian Air Force. The air force lost track of the plane after it passed over Pulau Perak, a small island west of Malaysia in the Straits of Malacca and hundreds of miles from the Kuala Lumpur-to-Beijing flight plan.

http://www.weather.com/news/malaysia-airlines-crash-latest-news-20140311

 

[PrairieWind]

Cockpit for dummies (that be me).
There's (usually) only one transponder, it should always be on. It requires electric power.

So if there's an interruption to the primary electrical system, a near failsafe emergency power system will power the transponder for one or one and a half hours. BUT in order to do this, the transponder must remain on.

Some military radar system (different from civilian ATC) detected the diverted flight route. So possibly whoever turned the transponder off didn't want to be seen and didn't anticipate the military radar detection.

This was my brief tutorial as spoken and shared by the big kahuna. He's adding ~

The purpose of the transponder is to identify a single aircraft with an individual radar identified code number. It doesn't involve voice communication. It transmits location automatically and continually (unless turned off). The switch must be pulled up and then placed (turned) into the off position. You can't accidentally turn it off. When on, it emits a continuous signal positively identifying the location of the aircraft.

The transponder is one of the biggest clues for me. It was on and functioning, and then it wasnt. It HAD to be turned off since we know the plane continued to fly. This to me is the strongest evidence so far that there was some sort of nefarious and intentional act going on.

 

[belimom]

Cockpit for dummies (that be me).
There's (usually) only one transponder, it should always be on. It requires electric power.

So if there's an interruption to the primary electrical system, a near failsafe emergency power system will power the transponder for one or one and a half hours. BUT in order to do this, the transponder must remain on.

Some military radar system (different from civilian ATC) detected the diverted flight route. So possibly whoever turned the transponder off didn't want to be seen and didn't anticipate the military radar detection.

This was my brief tutorial as spoken and shared by the big kahuna. He's adding ~

The purpose of the transponder is to identify a single aircraft with an individual radar identified code number. It doesn't involve voice communication. It transmits location automatically and continually (unless turned off). The switch must be pulled up and then placed (turned) into the off position. You can't accidentally turn it off. When on, it emits a continuous signal positively identifying the location of the aircraft.

bbm

I posted an article earlier how it only goes into automatic mode once you hit 29,000 ft. I'll have to go back find the link - it explained it really well, how it could drop off the radar and keep flying.

ETA: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10321060&postcount=521"]Here it is[/ame]:

How does a plane disappear off the radar?

......Therefore, when flight MH370 disappeared from plane tracking websites, it could simply mean the signals from the plane's transponder were stopped deliberately. Another case could be of a complete electrical failure, or the plane disintegrated.

In case of the missing Malaysian plane, the signals are picked up by sites only once a minute and only at a plane’s cruising height above 29,000 feet. So, a dramatic loss of altitude can also see a plane drop off their radar.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WO...lane-disappear-off-the-radar-4547145-NOR.html

 

[popsicle]

It will be interesting to see if they find the thingy pinging now.

 

[Softail]

I believe I read somewhere, that our government had NASA take a look to see if they could detect any explosion. I believe that was when everyone thought it went down where it originally lost contact. I'm sure with this new information they will take a look at the Malacca Straight area, if they haven't already! Hopefully they will be able to pinpoint something!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Now the hub is telling me that the radar that detected the plane isn't less sophisticated (as I heard reported on TV) but more sophisticated (military radar) because it tracked the plane without the transponder for over an hour.
While ATC thought the plane just vanished.

A good question to ask is why was the radar detection of the diversion kept secret for over 90 hours while all search and rescue was being conducted in the wrong place.

 

[mrsu]

FYI: The strait is not deep enough (at 25 metres or 82 feet) to permit some of the largest ships (mostly oil tankers) to use it.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Malacca"]Strait of Malacca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Now the hub is telling me that the radar that detected the plane isn't less sophisticated (as I heard reported on TV) but more sophisticated (military radar) because it tracked the plane without the transponder for over an hour.
While ATC thought the plane just vanished.

A good guestion to ask is why was the radar detection of the diversion kept secret for over 90 hours while all search and rescue was being conducted in the wrong place.

That is a good question. They said had they fessed up they could have seen it in real time.