Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[HMSHood]

I've been trying to research something and have not been able to find the answer. When the Air France flight from Brazil to Paris went missing it took days before they found the wreckage. In reading up on that crash there were systems that sent malfunction warnings to Air France maintenance. Did we know that immediately or just after the wreckage was found.

What I'm getting at is, did the AF plane just disappear for a few days like this one or were there indications of what had happened?

Thanks!

Air France happened over the middle of the Atlantic. If I recall, Air France Maintenance did get malfunction warnings.

 

[popsicle]

This was in the WSJ yesterday morning... note what they said.

“The search and rescue covers a wide area, not only the east coast, but also the west coast of the peninsula,” Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, the director-general of Malaysia’s Civil Aviation Department, said late Saturday. He said this is part of the standard “standard operating procedure.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/20...s-search-of-missing-jet-to-strait-of-malacca/

 

[TopTop]

Air France happened over the middle of the Atlantic. If I recall, Air France Maintenance did get malfunction warnings.

Right, but did we know that before they found the wreckage? Or did we only find that out later in the investigation?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Mr. ST had a weird theory too. He says they flew into a time-warp, you know like in "Back to the Future".

I had to :slap: him!

Hooray for your hubby...

You know there are some of us WSers that have thought of that...

But were afraid to post it...

:ufo: :beamup:

 

[watcher9]

If they are searching further to the west, have they discounted the sighting of wreckage off the east coast of Vietnam? It seemed to be in direct line of where the plane could have crashed into the water using its momentum after losing power.

 

[JudyBolton]

I can't find any further reports about the debris field that we were told about this morning - 50 nm off coast of Vietnam. Surely by now they have checked this out? Was this another false alarm? Thanks!

 

[dotr]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgefnjouY-8"]Malaysia Airlines crash: Navy ships and helicopters search for missing flight MH370 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Aviator]

Personally even us over at PPRuNe are clueless to what's exactly happened. You currently won't find many accurate answers unless you are high up in Malaysian airlines/Government or SAR in those countries.

Someone asked about ACARS -http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/files/library/ACARS_AF447.pdf

This isn't being released by the airline at the moment, strange as with Air France it was released straight away.

As with Air France 447, it may be many years before we either a) find out what exactly has happened or b) find the location of the aircraft. So don't expect this to be as quick resolution as the French either, so add a few years give or take.

 

[jjenny]

Could it be possible that this plane was hijacked and actually landed somewhere?

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Interesting little piece

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/malaysia-airlines-plane-mystery-disappear-off-radar

 

[jjenny]

I am more concerned about the 27 yr old co pilot.. i want to know more about him..

i wonder if something happened to the pilot and the co-pilot took over. He only had 2000 something hours in flying.. Since he worked there..

If co-pilot took over because something happened to the pilot why would not he contact ground control about it?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Azharuddin said the search includes northern parts of the Malacca Strait, on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula and far west of the plane's last known location. Azharuddin would not explain why crews were searching there, saying, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."

I knew it! They know more than they are telling the public or families!!

"

Of course...

I imagine ALL the governments involved are hiding "something"....each for their own reasons...

JMO

 

[Madame Poulet]

I've been trying to research something and have not been able to find the answer. When the Air France flight from Brazil to Paris went missing it took days before they found the wreckage. In reading up on that crash there were systems that sent malfunction warnings to Air France maintenance. Did we know that immediately or just after the wreckage was found.

What I'm getting at is, did the AF plane just disappear for a few days like this one or were there indications of what had happened?

Thanks!

Pretty sure that the information about the maintenance reports to Air France was reported before the wreckage was found either on the day the plane was reported as "missing" or the next day

 

[dotr]

March 11/14
http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...st-disappear-its-not-hard-20140311-hvh7a.html
bbm.
""The world is a big place," said Michael Smart, professor of aerospace engineering at the University of Queensland in Australia. "If it happens to come down in the middle of the ocean and it's not near a shipping lane or something, who knows how long it could take them to find?"
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[popsicle]

I can't find any further reports about the debris field that we were told about this morning - 50 nm off coast of Vietnam. Surely by now they have checked this out? Was this another false alarm? Thanks!

This is the last I have seen:

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 4h
.@StephenDieli We've seen the reports of the new debris field. We are working to confirm and if it is in fact #MH370.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower

 

[magpie]

In my personal experience, many commercial airline pilots are extremely nerdy like that.

I agree, don't think there is anything to his at home flight simulator except his love for flight. My ex husband wasn't an airline pilot but pretty nerdy and he loved flight simulators of every kind. He was in some special branch of the navy that had to do with electronics (nerds, lol) and he worked on the radars for ships, subs, planes.

 

[PrairieWind]

Right, but did we know that before they found the wreckage? Or did we only find that out later in the investigation?

If I remember right, that AF maintenance data was not monitored real time. So only after the plane failed to arrive did anyone go to check. I think it recorded lots of failures, but it didn't provide location. That search was hampered by it being out in the middle of the Atlantic and there was no radar coverage at all out there, so they didnt have a good idea of where to start the search. Here, the area where the plane should have crashed seems to me to be limited, which makes the fact that they havent found debris so perplexing.

 

[Madame Poulet]

I am more concerned about the 27 yr old co pilot.. i want to know more about him..

i wonder if something happened to the pilot and the co-pilot took over. He only had 2000 something hours in flying.. Since he worked there..

2000 hours is a decent amount of flight time, & from an article someone posted earlier (sorry, don't remember who) he sounds like a very competent pilot. Someone else mentioned that it seemed unusual for a 27-year-old to have been employed as a pilot - BA take people on their cadet programme from 18 so I am guessing Air Malaysia are the same: http://www.caeoaa.com/ba/how-to-apply/#.Ux4t28-GnIU
:twocents:

 

[JudyBolton]

This is the last I have seen:

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 4h
.@StephenDieli We've seen the reports of the new debris field. We are working to confirm and if it is in fact #MH370.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower

"We are working....." I'm sorry - but they have an EXACT location and even photos - it has been many, many hours. Why can't they rule it in or out by now? Sorry...but I'm getting frustrated at the lack of information and l-o-n-g delays in getting things investigated!:banghead:

 

[Melly53]

Right, but did we know that before they found the wreckage? Or did we only find that out later in the investigation?

The ACARS signals? If so, it was known immediately.