Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[popsicle]

Newley Purnell ‏@newley 1m
#MH370 search continues. Graphic shows expanded search area. Our live stream for news: http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/SS-2-475558/ … pic.twitter.com/j9Q6NG4CNs

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[belimom]

Has this been discounted?

Why did another pilot hear mumbling and interference when he tried to contact flight MH370?

A pilot who was flying in the vicinity of flight MH370 said he heard mumbling and interference when he tried to contact the missing plane.

The pilot, who asked to remain anonymous, told the New Straits Times that his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was able to make contact using an emergency frequency.

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace," he said.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the copilot

“There were a lot of interference ... static ... but I heard mumbling from the other end.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-ten-3223447#ixzz2vevjLY00
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[jjenny]

I would certainly prefer my pilot to be smoking a cigarette if he's addicted to nicotine. I don't want a pilot who's withdrawing from nicotine piloting the plane I'm on thanks very much! More dangerous if they're not allowed to smoke if they're smokers!

There is no smoking on the airplane.

 

[jjenny]

They most definitely do not resemble Mario Balotelli

They sure don't. Most likely they could have used the original photo on the passport and be allowed through.

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malays...ol-says-terrorism-less-likely-cause-1.2567697
bbm

"The United States has sent two navy ships, at least one of which is equipped with helicopters, and a Navy P-3C Orion plane with sensors that can detect small debris in the water. It said in a statement that the Malaysian government has done a "tremendous job" organizing the land and sea search effort.

Vietnamese planes and ships are also taking part.

Lt.-Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese People's Army, said authorities on land had also been ordered to search for the plane, which could have crashed into mountains or uninhabited jungle. He said military units near the border with Laos and Cambodia had been instructed to search their regions also.

"So far we have found no signs ... so we must widen our search," he said."

 

[skibaboo]

They sure don't. Most likely they could have used the original photo on the passport and be allowed through.

I think it was an honest mistake and he said the wrong Italian footballer.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not sure if this has been posted - I didn't realize that the pilots could turn off the transponder. I think I have a new theory now.

(bbm):

One other think that my mind keeps coming back to the fact that it was (1 minute) before entering Vietnam air space. And the hand off, to the ATC in Vietnam.(link below)bbm. I don't know why but that fact has surfaced in my mind enough to make mention of it. I don't know much about flying but plane as I understand them have all kinds of sensors and alarms and there was absolutely nothing from this plane, nothing, nodda, zilch, zero. And then it was gone.


The plane "lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control," Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, said in a statement issued by the government.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ith-plane-carrying-23-people/?intcmp=obinsite

 

[JerseyGirl]

There is no smoking on the airplane.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

Ms Roos says they were seated in the cockpit during takeoff and landing and that the pilots even asked the girls to stay a few nights in Kuala Lumpur with them.

"Throughout the entire flight they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight, which I don't think they're allowed to do," Ms Roos said.

 

[jjenny]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

Ms Roos says they were seated in the cockpit during takeoff and landing and that the pilots even asked the girls to stay a few nights in Kuala Lumpur with them.

"Throughout the entire flight they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight, which I don't think they're allowed to do," Ms Roos said.

That's pretty disturbing if true. If passengers are allowed into the cockpit, plane can be easily hijacked by one of these passengers. Which is why passengers are not allowed in the cockpit and the doork locks, at least in US.

 

[Waddles]

I bet it's more like 130 a week in some countries!

Hopefully now there will be some kind of aviation law passed which makes it compulsory for passports to be checked with Interpol.

Anyway. It would appear the stolen passports thang will turn out to be irrelevant and of no consequence to what happened, I am doubtful these two lads had anyting to do with the demise of the plane. At least we've had something to keep us occupied though eh? And at the very least highlighted an immigration problem to the worlds media, hope something good comes of it in terms of protocol and procedures.

Yes my thoughts exactly, this has brought out some alarming security holes that need filling

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Not necessarily, it seems, especially if they turned to keep it over the ocean (bbm -there's much more at the link, explaining the radar systems used for tracking):

Great article and very informative, thank you. Reposted as it hasn;t shown up in the quote

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WO...lane-disappear-off-the-radar-4547145-NOR.html

So it's quite feasible that if the transponder had been turned off by a member of the crew or a hijacker, that it could in theory have kept flying for another 6 hours? It would have to have avoided flying back over land and ground radar though?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Air force chief Rodzali Daud has been quoted as saying the plane was tracked flying over the Strait of Malacca, on the other side of the country to where it disappeared from civilian radar

Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Daud as saying the Malaysia Airlines plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca.

'The last time the flight was detected close to Pulau Perak, in the Melaka Straits, at 2.40 a.m. by the control tower before the signal was lost,' the paper quoted Rodzali as saying.
A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was being checked.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Malaysian-source-reveals.html#ixzz2vf2ntRTG

 

[Marg from Oz]

Interesting article.

I came across this strange case. Spooky to say the least.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vufors/valensum.htm

I still remember this vividly. That he was being followed by some craft that was unlike any in existence at the time. Also the playing of the tape from his plane and the clunking sound of something on top of his plane and then that was it. never to be seen again. His father never gave up hope that he would return and had a vigil every year on the anniversary. I don't think his father is still alive. Strange sighting are still being seen in the sky in this area. This is my home town.

 

[popsicle]

Has this been discounted?

iirc I have only ever seen the msm address this.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Air force chief Rodzali Daud has been quoted as saying the plane was tracked flying over the Strait of Malacca, on the other side of the country to where it disappeared from civilian radar

Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Daud as saying the Malaysia Airlines plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca.

'The last time the flight was detected close to Pulau Perak, in the Melaka Straits, at 2.40 a.m. by the control tower before the signal was lost,' the paper quoted Rodzali as saying.
A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was being checked.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Malaysian-source-reveals.html#ixzz2vf2ntRTG

Wow! That's new news (to me, anyway). So looking at a map Pulau Perak is well beyond mainland Malaysia and heading towards Indonesia. Plane would have had to turn left and fly across Southern Thailand / Northern Malaysia I think

 

[Elley Mae]

Mr. Khalid said that previous reports by Malaysian officials that five passengers had failed to board the flight were false. “Everybody that booked the flight boarded the plane,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-flight.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

 

[Isabelle]

BBM Here's one;

He said Malaysia Airlines had removed those passengers’ baggage once it learned they did not board the plane, in accordance with standard procedure. “But we have to remove the baggage that they checked in… we have done so on this aircraft,” he said.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/681024/...issing-malaysian-jet-says-chief-investigator/

Reports that change are cause for concern when it involves security.

 

[JerseyGirl]

China ... has sent four ships, with another four on the way.

The United States has sent two navy ships, at least one of which is equipped with helicopters, and a Navy P-3C Orion plane with sensors that can detect small debris in the water.

Vietnamese planes and ships are also taking part ... Vietnamese People's Army, said authorities on land had also been ordered to search for the plane, which could have crashed into mountains or uninhabited jungle. He said military units near the border with Laos and Cambodia had been instructed to search their regions also.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2898f42e2091403bbb9a798d3e3327db/AS--Malaysia-Plane

bbm - searching on land now too

 

[CoverMeCagney]

China ... has sent four ships, with another four on the way.

The United States has sent two navy ships, at least one of which is equipped with helicopters, and a Navy P-3C Orion plane with sensors that can detect small debris in the water.

Vietnamese planes and ships are also taking part ... Vietnamese People's Army, said authorities on land had also been ordered to search for the plane, which could have crashed into mountains or uninhabited jungle. He said military units near the border with Laos and Cambodia had been instructed to search their regions also.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2898f42e2091403bbb9a798d3e3327db/AS--Malaysia-Plane


bbm - searching on land now too

I'm confuuuuuuused.

If it's right that radar picked the flight up over Pulau Perak (west of Malaysia and close to Indonesia) at 2:40am why are they searching as far north as Laos?!?

 

[Isabelle]

Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, Malaysian civil aviation chief, said earlier that the widened search includes northern parts of the Malacca Strait, on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula and far west of the plane's last known location.

Mr Azharuddin would not explain why crews were searching there, saying rather cryptically, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

what??? :banghead:

Azharuddin also released information that the luggage of the five passengers who didn't board was removed from the plane. They are starting to talk in circles.