Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #20

[Nymeria]

Moon shadow?

Ya just HAD to say that Elley Mae....
Guess what song is stuck in my head now :facepalm:


:giggle:

 

[Amee]

Joint Agency Coordination Centre
todays search


Media Release
6 April 2014—am

Up to 10 military planes, 2 civil planes and 13 ships will assist in Sunday's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has three separate search areas planned for today about 2,000 kilometres north west of Perth, which total approximately 216,000 square kilometres.

Weather in the search area is expected to be good with a cloud base of 2,500 feet and visibility greater than 10 kilometres.

Reports overnight that the Chinese ship, Haixun 01, has detected electronic pulse signals in the Indian Ocean related to MH370 cannot be verified at this point in time.

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr011.aspx

 

[Hatfield]

It is a plane in flight....(saw it before on a different site)-

Cool Shot. That is pretty much exactly how my "near-miss" incident looked when I was looking out the window and down after my plane made a hard left bank at 30,000 feet for what appeared to be no reason at all.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Ya just HAD to say that Elley Mae....
Guess what song is stuck in my head now :facepalm:


:giggle:

Me too :giggle:

 

[JerseyGirl]

The capability of the locator the Chinese were using is what gives me pause. One would think the FDR is in water much deeper than 600 ft. If the US Navy's pinger locator had picked up a signal, I would be much more confident it actually is the FDR.

MOO

But it could also be why it only detected for a minute and a half. If the Australian's need to bring over the US' detector, why waste a day especially since the pinger is set to shut off soon.

 

[Hatfield]

The capability of the locator the Chinese were using is what gives me pause. One would think the FDR is in water much deeper than 600 ft. If the US Navy's pinger locator had picked up a signal, I would be much more confident it actually is the FDR.

MOO

I seriously would love if they did in fact hear a real ping from the plane but IMO I am betting they were trying to calibrate their device and perhaps had their setting up very high sensitivity and was hearing their own machine give "feedback" or something.

Those types of devices I am sure have settings to calibrate them and if they are turned up too high with too much sensitivity they can probably get false readings off their own equipment.

 

[JerseyGirl]

As per the requirements set out by the ICAO in Annex 13 of the International Standards and Recommended Practices, Malaysia will continue to lead the investigation into MH370.

As per the ICAO standards, Malaysia will also appoint an independent ‘Investigator In Charge’ to lead an investigation team. The investigation team will include three groups:
· an airworthiness group, to look at issues such as maintenance records, structures and systems;
· an operations group, to examine things such as flight recorders, operations and meteorology;
· and a medical and human factors group, to investigate issues such as psychology, pathology and survival factors.

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Read more: MH370 Tragedy: Press briefing by Hishammuddin - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...iefing-by-hishammuddin-1.551327#ixzz2y3nyfMYZ

 

[Hatfield]

As per the requirements set out by the ICAO in Annex 13 of the International Standards and Recommended Practices, Malaysia will continue to lead the investigation into MH370.

As per the ICAO standards, Malaysia will also appoint an independent ‘Investigator In Charge’ to lead an investigation team. The investigation team will include three groups:
· an airworthiness group, to look at issues such as maintenance records, structures and systems;
· an operations group, to examine things such as flight recorders, operations and meteorology;
· and a medical and human factors group, to investigate issues such as psychology, pathology and survival factors.
The investigation team will also include accredited countries.
Malaysia has already asked Australia to be accredited to the investigation team, and they have accepted.
We will also include China, the United States, the United Kingdom and France as accredited representatives to the investigation team, along with other countries that we feel are in a position to help.

In addition to the new investigation team mentioned above, the Government - in order to streamline and strengthen our on-going efforts - has established three ministerial committees.

Firstly, Next of Kin Committee. Hamzah Zainuddin, the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, leads this committee.
This committee will oversee all aspects regarding the Next of Kin of those on board MH370, providing families with information on the search operation, and offering support after the search operation has been concluded.
The committee will co-ordinate with relevant foreign governments, and will complement the work already being done for the families by Malaysian Airlines.

The second committee oversees technicalities, specifically, the formation and the appointment of the investigation team. Abdul Aziz Kaprawi, the Deputy Minister of Transport, leads this committee.

The third committee takes over issues related to the deployment of assets for the search operation. Abdul Rahim Bakri, the Deputy Minister of Defence, leads this committee.

This committee will work with foreign counterparts involved in the search operation, and liaise closely with the Australian Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre.

Read more: MH370 Tragedy: Press briefing by Hishammuddin - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...iefing-by-hishammuddin-1.551327#ixzz2y3nyfMYZ

WOW. I hope one of those committees will find the plane.

 

[JerseyGirl]

"If we haven't found anything in six weeks we will continue because there are a lot of things in the aircraft that will float," said Australian Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, head of the joint agency coordinating the operation.

"Eventually I think something will be found that will help us narrow the search area."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-...0-chinese-search-vessel-detects-pulse/5370186

 

[they'll get you]

JMO
All Right, I am tired of all this "secrecy" crap from both China + Malaysia. You are either with the other cooperating nations or you are against them and they should get the heck out of that area.

It is total BS that China is not reporting directly to the command center. They need to get the heck out of the area then. It is a bunch of crap and Austrailia and everyone else should not put up with it.

I have no problem if Austrailia totally ignores them and doesnt send any resources based on their Telephone game they are playing. Just heard on CNN that Austrailia cannot even get ahold of whatever Chinese ship supposedly made this claim. It is a bunch of crap IMO.

There is absolutely no reason that any form of update from any ship or plane in the area cannot get immediate responses from the command center. If a nation like China or Malaysia is not going to play by the same rules as all the other nations and cooperate then they should get the heck out of the area.

Rant Over.

:yourock:

:goodpost:

:applause::applause::applause:
:applause::applause::applause:

 

[Intermezzo]

Anish Patel, president of US black box beacon manufacturer Dukane Seacom, said he was "highly sceptical" about the report.

"Let's get some additional assets in the water so we can corroborate, before we get everyone's hopes up," he told CNN.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/04/06/03/22/malaysia-plane-searchers-detect-signal

Mr Patel said that in an early morning interview
When I heard him speak again late this afternoon he sounded more optimistic as was Aviation expert Mary Schiavo.

 

[Intermezzo]

CNN now reporting that FBI found something CURIOUS on pilot's flight simulator.

Not sure if they have reported anything more since I went outside to walk the dog.

Just a few short days ago it was reported that the FBI found nothing suspicious on the simulator.

 

[Hatfield]

A simplistic analogy of how a device can be set wrong to get a false reading is if anybody has ever used a Metal Detector.

You have a setting that you can adjust and you want to increase its sensitivity just right to pick up any metal objects. But as soon as you increase it too far then the alarm goes off. Then you back down the setting to where the alarm doesnt go off. You want to keep this setting just under where the alarm goes off on its own without metal. That way when you do find any metal even 3 or 4 feet underground it will easily go off.

Another example is if anybody has ever had a scanner. There is a "squelch" setting. As you are randomly scanning, you adjust the Squelch to where the scanner doesnt stop by itself unless something is really being transmitted on a certain frequency. If you adjust the squelch too far, then the scanner stops on a frequency even though nobody is really talking on that frequency.

 

[JerseyGirl]

“The deployment of RAAF assets to the area where the Chinese ship detected the sounds is being considered,” said Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston referring to the Royal Australian Air Force.

According to experts, the hand-held, ping-locating technology used by the Chinese ship operates at a maximum depth of 600 feet, compared to the towed pinger on an Australian search vessel that goes up to 20,000 feet deep and away from surface noise.


Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/news/...-to-area-where-pulse-signal-detected-33302?cp

 

[Isabelle]

CNN now reporting that FBI found something CURIOUS on pilot's flight simulator.
Not sure if they have reported anything more since I went outside to walk the dog.

Crazy! The news this week indicated they found nothing.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Mr Patel said that in an early morning interview
When I heard him speak again late this afternoon he sounded more optimistic as was Aviation expert Mary Schiavo.

"It ought to be easy to rule it in or rule it out, and they ought to go do it," said Mary Schiavo, a CNN aviation analyst and a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

CNN aviation analyst David Soucie said: "This is a pinger," the airplane accident investigator said. "I've been doing this a lot of years, and I can't think of anything else it could be."

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"The 37.5kHz is the specific frequency that these locator pingers operate on," said Anish Patel, president of Sarasota, Florida-based Dukane Seacom, which made the black box locator.

"It's a very unique frequency, typically not found in background ocean noise," such as whales or other marine mammals, he told Reuters.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/06/MH370-search-Aussie-PM-hopeful-but-cautious/

 

[ElleElle]

CNN now reporting that FBI found something CURIOUS on pilot's flight simulator.
Not sure if they have reported anything more since I went outside to walk the dog.

:banghead: What is going on? It's almost 30 days and no one can provide accurate information. Are they just trying to keep their ratings up, or what?

There are reports the FS had a Diego Garcia flightpath programmed in, I believe.

 

[Momoffourboys]

CNN now reporting that FBI found something CURIOUS on pilot's flight simulator.
Not sure if they have reported anything more since I went outside to walk the dog.

:fencefall:

 

[Intermezzo]

Very discouraging. You are correct (600ft). What are the chances of a rogue SAR team picking a spot, for reasons only they know, where no one else is looking, plunking in a detector with a 600ft range and picking up a signal?

I hear ya
I have read msm saying Could the Chinese have been Lucky?
I am going with NOT..though I believe they want to find the plane and retrieve the flight recorders just as much as every other country..most of the passengers were Chinese citizens after all...
I believe the Chinese are keeping what info they have 'close to the vest' and not letting the other countries get a look at what kind of technology they have on board their vessels

 

[Momoffourboys]

:banghead: What is going on? It's almost 30 days and no one can provide accurate information. Are they just trying to keep their ratings up, or what?

There are reports the FS had a Diego Garcia flightpath programmed in, I believe.

Right. But that's not "news". It was in MSM for weeks.
Round and round we go. :banghead: