Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[CARIIS]

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Check out the picture.........




http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/why-are-few-terrorists-executed-in-india/

 

[cady]

If it is never found, does that mean no viable lawsuit, because no proof? I don't know but it makes me wonder if there are groups interested in making sure that it isn't found. JMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm sure I read in a local (aus) news story about a week ago that an expert on tides etc said that items from the wreckage should start appearing on Perth beaches soon and that it would take them this long to reach those beaches.

Googled and can't find the article and I was sick at the time but I know I did read it lease:

 

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...an-Ocean-for-several-more-days-trying-to-pin/

Searchers will spend several more days trying to pinpoint a crash site before a mini-sub is launched to scour the seabed.

 

[Amee]

Do we know if the turn happened before or after "all right good night" or "Goodnight Malaysian Three Seven Zero"?

01:19: The last communication between the plane and Malaysian air traffic control took place about 12 minutes later.At first, the airline said initial investigations revealed the co-pilot had said "All right, good night". However, Malaysian authorities later confirmed the last words heard from the plane, spoken either by the pilot or co-pilot, were in fact "Good night Malaysian three seven zero".


02:15: Malaysian military radar plotted Flight MH370 at a point south of Phuket island in the Strait of Malacca, west of its last known location. Thai military radar logs also confirmed that the plane turned west and then north over the Andaman sea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503141

 

[Intermezzo]

:blushing: Yes, I recently found a more precise timeline, that indicated ACARS was turned off before last communcation.

Maybe i'm just going more :scared:

:therethere:

At first the Malaysian gov't official said ACARS was turned off at 1:07am or before the Final voice communication..
They backed off that and said they did not know when ACARS was turned off.


Flip-flop over ACARS switch off time, FBI help, adding to MH370 muddle, say reports MARCH 18, 2014

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...sian-authorities-add-to-confusion-says-report

Jauhari told yesterday's press conference that the communications system, known as the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS), had worked normally at 1.07am but then failed to send its next regularly scheduled update at 1.37am.

"We don't know when the Acars system was switched off," he said.

Jauhari said that the verbal signoff was given by radio from the aircraft at 1.19am which was between the two scheduled transmission times for the ACARS system.

A second communications system, a transponder that communicates with ground-based radar, then ceased working at 1.21am.

Following Jauhari's statement, Hishammuddin had brushed off questions from the media about why he had said a day earlier that the ACARS had been disabled at 1.07am.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm sure I read in a local (aus) news story about a week ago that an expert on tides etc said that items from the wreckage should start appearing on Perth beaches soon and that it would take them this long to reach those beaches.

Googled and can't find the article and I was sick at the time but I know I did read it lease:

Yes, they said it here.

The first pieces of evidence that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 crashed into the ocean may come to light when they are washed up on a beach, possibly within weeks, experts said yesterday.

Oceanographers said that currents and prevailing winds would likely push any floating debris towards Australia's vast west coast.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1463385/first-signs-mh370-crash-may-be-found-australian-shore


Initially they were saying it could take about 6 months for debris to collect on our beaches, but that was when the search areas were further south.

I wonder if RAAF planes are starting to fly sorties up and down our coastline. There sure seemed to be a few RAAF planes taking off yesterday during the press conference.

 

[Intermezzo]

so what did Anderson Cooper and guests have to say on his show tonight?

I had to keep the TV off due to Piano lessons

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder why they would not start with that one instead of wasting time with the other one if ther is a possiblity that blue cant do it just start with one that could no,

Don't fret if the black box etc are deeper than 4,500 metres i.e. beyond Bluefin's capability.
As per interview on ABC24 this morning - the Chinese have one that can go much deeper >11,000 metres.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Alvin (DSV-2)

explored the wreck of Titanic.

The vessel weighs 17 tons. It allows for two scientists and one pilot to dive for up to nine hours at 4,500 metres (14,800 ft).

DSV Alvin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...an-Ocean-for-several-more-days-trying-to-pin/

 

[CARIIS]

Can you play a ping in c minor TIA!

so what did Anderson Cooper and guests have to say on his show tonight?

I had to keep the TV off due to Piano lessons

 

[Hatfield]

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...an-Ocean-for-several-more-days-trying-to-pin/

Searchers will spend several more days trying to pinpoint a crash site before a mini-sub is launched to scour the seabed.

They were on CNN a little bit ago and made some good points about using the submersible anyway. They have enough data already even if they dont get another hit on the pinger.

Here is the thing. There is a certain maximum range that the pinger locator can hear a ping. They indicated that it is up to 2 nautical miles away.

So lets assume the ship was at the furthest point away from the black box.
That would mean the ship was 2 miles away from the box. If you draw a circle with a radius of 2 miles in every direction around that ship, you now have the only possible spot for the box to be. This is the circle the submersible needs to map.

And if you want to play it safe, then just make the circle a little bigger.

So at most they would only need to have the submersible go down and map out a circle with a radius of 2 miles which is a diameter of 4 miles across.

To help get a square mile estimate you can just make a square with 4 mile long edges and you now know you have at most 16 square miles of ocean surface to map. That is very doable. Sure, it is a lot, but they cannot
ever say they dont have enough information to use that submersible.

The only reason that submersible would not find that black box is if the pinging noise was something else like a submarine making an inadvertant noise that was 1 second apart. It does seem very fishy since the Chinese ship also detected a noise 300 miles away.

 

[Amee]

Further analysis of a series of pings sent automatically by the aircraft to a satellite had indicated that six were sent hourly and then eight minutes after the last of these was received, a seventh and incomplete ping was received. The expert team considers this very significant, Air Chief Marshal Houston said yesterday.

“They think something happened at that stage and we assess that’s about where the aircraft would have run out of fuel.’’

That was close to where the underwater signals were picked up.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...70-prove-elusive/story-e6frg95x-1226877750083

 

[Intermezzo]

I wonder why they would not start with that one instead of wasting time with the other one if ther is a possiblity that blue cant do it just start with one that could no,

The Aussies have the US Navy's Bluefin 21 this other unit is owned by the Chinese and perhaps THEY will use it

 

[gregjrichards]

If it is never found, does that mean no viable lawsuit, because no proof? I don't know but it makes me wonder if there are groups interested in making sure that it isn't found. JMO

No damages still need to be paid out under the Montreal convention regardless of whether debris are found.

Montreal Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"KUALA LUMPUR, March 20 — Twelve days without sign of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is raising the possibility the plane with 239 on board may never be found.

But lawyers said the families of those on Beijing-bound flight MH370 can already start claiming for compensation despite the absence of the plane and its passengers.

At a minimum, an international aviation treaty allows the next-of-kin of the plane’s 227 passengers to seek up to US$175,000 (RM573,475) without proving any fault with MAS."

Beyond that amount, lawyers said they must furnish proof of negligence.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...compensation-lawyers-say#sthash.5SNDU5Qn.dpuf

 

[Amee]

Updated 1 hour 11 minutes ago

US navy captain Mark Matthews is in charge of the equipment detecting the signals.

He says while there is a chance the battery is still working, crews will keeping using their towed equipment, rather than underwater submersibles.

"It's an operational trade-off. The ground I can cover in one day using the towed pinger
locator would take me six days with an autonomous underwater vehicle," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-...airlines-locator-beacon-still-running/5376592

 

[Hatfield]

The more I think about it the more I wonder if they really were hearing a submarine. Remember all the movies we watched with submarines. Check out this sound that a sub makes.

This could be why they are not confident they were hearing the black box afterall.

Submarine Sonar Sound Effect - YouTube


The nations that had submarines in the area are probably too embarrassed to admit they were screwing up all the work they were doing on top of the water.

 

[CARIIS]

My dog is old....she deserves little human treats ..............provided her with a yummy dash of baked beans..........................

never thought about the consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW!!

Lesson learned: Never again!

 

[ilovepierre]

Yes, that would make sense. If there was a mechanical failure at 1:21am all electronics could of been turned off.

Can something catastrophic occur within 2 minutes of last words to cause the pilots to disable the electronics? Transponder, ACARS.

Who provides ACARS? Rolls Royce? My understanding is MA is not paying a fee for more detailed data uploads, RR could not get this information? Or did they?

ARINC and SITA provide ACARS to airlines.

ARINC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SITA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CARIIS]

Amazing notion !!!!!!!!!!!! Good find!

The more I think about it the more I wonder if they really were hearing a submarine. Remember all the movies we watched with submarines. Check out this sound that a sub makes.

This could be why they are not confident they were hearing the black box afterall.

Submarine Sonar Sound Effect - YouTube


The nations that had submarines in the area are probably too embarrassed to admit they were screwing up all the work they were doing on top of the water.