Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[Nymeria]

I'm not sure which would be worse?
To hit the water so hard you died instantly and the plane broke up...
Or to sink to the bottom fully intact but trapped in the plane and drown? :scared:

:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:
ACKKKKKKKKKKKK!
I think about these things MsF. Especially lately!
I have concluded if I have to die in some type of plane disaster, I want it to be hypoxia.
As awful as hypoxia is, I think just passing out and dying in my sleep of oxygen deprivation is better than slamming into something (and KNOWING it is going to happen).

 

[cluciano63]

I am hoping that one pilot, I think, who posted here, said that coming from that high original altitude where a jet flies, to the water, would prevent anyone from living very long, if the descent were even remotely quick, due to the changes in oxygen...something like that. I really can't picture it coming slowly and gracefully into the water...but I have no idea if this is possible...jmo

I suppose if it made like a regular landing under controls of someone who knew how, only on water...it is possible.
But not quite ready to grab onto that theory yet. So far, it is an accident to me.

Jmo

 

[Momoffourboys]

Wow! Amazing!
Excellent "latest developments" and "breaking news"

If this is the spot...this is an incredible accomplishment.
WOW!

Did I miss Commodore Leavy?

 

[MsFacetious]

Patrick McDowell ‏@pmcdowellsea 39s

Australia reacquires the pings in #MH370 search. http://on.wsj.com/1qp6lPZ But getting weaker, and they're 2.8 miles deep.

 

[MsFacetious]

Patrick McDowell ‏@pmcdowellsea 4m

Shades of the ``Hunt for Red October'': Australia dropping sono-buoys to localize pings in #MH370 search. http://on.wsj.com/1g61vFZ

 

[Soulmagent]

:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:
ACKKKKKKKKKKKK!
I think about these things MsF. Especially lately!
I have concluded if I have to die in some type of plane disaster, I want it to be hypoxia.
As awful as hypoxia is, I think just passing out and dying in my sleep of oxygen deprivation is better than slamming into something (and KNOWING it is going to happen).

I hate flying, Hate it. I do it because I have to. I agree with you.

I would just rather not know there was a problem I couldnt do ANYTHING about at 35,000 feet.

 

[MsFacetious]

An analysis of the initial signals found that they were consistent with the kind of electronic pings that would be emitted by locator beacons attached to the jet's flight recorders, Air Chief Marshal Houston said.

"It's nothing natural, it comes from a man-made device, and it's consistent with the locator on a black box," the former Australian defense force chief said.

"I am now optimistic that we will find the aircraft or what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant future."

But he added that search crews still needed hard evidence, such as a photograph of the wreckage, before declaring the final resting place of Flight 370. Officials also cautioned that deep water currents and silt on the seabed could slow the discovery of any plane wreckage.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304640104579490580680937684

 

[SouthAussie]

The furthest distance between the four most recent pings is about 25km, a dramatic narrowing of the focus zone, considering the Indian Ocean search for the missing plane began with a 305,000sq/km area to scour.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/news/a/22488471/sonar-loaded-underwater-robot-to-hunt-for-mh370/


Wow ... we're down to a 25 km distance between the signals! How good is that!!

 

[MsFacetious]

Well CNN certainly wants this seen. (It's even bigger there, on the front page!)

2 NEW SIGNALS

Pulses sound like locator beacon

"I believe we are searching in the right area," Australian search official says.

http://www.cnn.com/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Everyone certainly does seem hopeful about this... I hope it's not another let down. lease:

 

[Elley Mae]

Just under 16 miles. Not too bad.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/news/a/22488471/sonar-loaded-underwater-robot-to-hunt-for-mh370/


Wow ... we're down to a 25 km distance between the signals! How good is that!!

Could you just call me when they arrive at ground zero? hone:
I am afraid to get excited until then...

 

[Amee]

"If you bounded all those detections in a circle, you're still talking 1300 square kilometres."

Retired air chief marshal Houston described them as "great" and "encouraging" leads.

"I believe we are searching in the right area, but we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370," he said.

"For the sake of the 239 families, this is absolutely imperative.

"I'm not going to confirm anything until someone lays eyes on the wreckage."


UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/fragment/plane-search-detects-more-audio-signals

 

[RT51]

Kind of OT, but for those of you scared to fly, I work at an airport, for the airport itself. I'm the one who answers the "crash phone" and gets the rescue crews rolling when we have an aircraft coming in with "trouble". We've never had a crash, usually it's something simple like a light bulb burnt out for the landing gear indicator.

While this disaster seems huge (and it is for the families involved, and I'm not brushing off their anger or grief), there are thousands of flights that fly daily without any problems. I myself am flying in May, and my only concern is if my luggage makes the transfer and it arrives at my destination with me.

What I am trying to say is: Please don't let this catastrophe cloud your future of air travel. You are safer in an aircraft than driving to the airport!

It is hard to comprehend the vast area they are searching. It is huge! They will find it, it just takes time.

Ok, enough of my pep talk, just remember, "glass half full".

 

[they'll get you]

I'm remembering the first eerie visuals of Titanic with the little comical robots Alvin & Nautile searching in and around the ship. It was like a voyeuristic feeling that we were disturbing a fine lady in her private hiding place.
I'm looking forward to that experience again please!

 

[Elley Mae]

Kind of OT, but for those of you scared to fly, I work at an airport, for the airport itself. I'm the one who answers the "crash phone" and gets the rescue crews rolling when we have an aircraft coming in with "trouble". We've never had a crash, usually it's something simple like a light bulb burnt out for the landing gear indicator.

While this disaster seems huge (and it is for the families involved, and I'm not brushing off their anger or grief), there are thousands of flights that fly daily without any problems. I myself am flying in May, and my only concern is if my luggage makes the transfer and it arrives at my destination with me.

What I am trying to say is: Please don't let this catastrophe cloud your future of air travel. You are safer in an aircraft than driving to the airport!

It is hard to comprehend the vast area they are searching. It is huge! They will find it, it just takes time.

Ok, enough of my pep talk, just remember, "glass half full".

You are correct in that planes are by far safer then vehicles. It's the whole david copperfield disappearing act that scares me.

bbm agree on half full. But when concealing tub with the shower curtain is the curtain open or closed?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

OT/

You are correct in that planes are by far safer then vehicles. It's the whole david copperfield disappearing act that scares me.

The whole hypoxia thing is a bit unsettling. I figure it precedes the disappearance. When was the last time we heard about a car leaking something and killing people within seconds only to have them drive for hours before crashing?

Oh Sorry...RT51 was trying to make people less afraid to fly. But I just booked a flight so see...it is all good.

 

[squeaky]

I've believed the mass-hypoxia theory from the beginning, mainly because I couldn't conceive any other believable way to fly around a plane full of people. Once it came out that the plane was flying for as long as it was (absurdly long, in my opinion), I believed it even more. In fact, the main question for me is whether or not the hypoxia was intentionally induced (by the person flying the plane) or the result of an accident. If someone flying the plane intentionally killed (or at the very least, subdued) everybody on board by means of hypoxia, then proceeded to fly a plane full of corpses all around the Indian Ocean, this is basically the creepiest story of the century.

 

[they'll get you]

I've believed the mass-hypoxia theory from the beginning, mainly because I couldn't conceive any other believable way to fly around a plane full of people. Once it came out that the plane was flying for as long as it was (absurdly long, in my opinion), I believed it even more. In fact, the main question for me is whether or not the hypoxia was intentionally induced (by the person flying the plane) or the result of an accident. If someone flying the plane intentionally killed (or at the very least, subdued) everybody on board by means of hypoxia, then proceeded to fly a plane full of corpses all around the Indian Ocean, this is basically the creepiest story of the century.

Yes and if that's the case the pilot may have taken the time to write a really long letter to explain his actions or verbally stated his problems to the black box recorder. Far fetched but hoping. How can airlines regularly monitor the mental problems of pilots?

 

[Hatfield]

I've believed the mass-hypoxia theory from the beginning, mainly because I couldn't conceive any other believable way to fly around a plane full of people. Once it came out that the plane was flying for as long as it was (absurdly long, in my opinion), I believed it even more. In fact, the main question for me is whether or not the hypoxia was intentionally induced (by the person flying the plane) or the result of an accident. If someone flying the plane intentionally killed (or at the very least, subdued) everybody on board by means of hypoxia, then proceeded to fly a plane full of corpses all around the Indian Ocean, this is basically the creepiest story of the century.

I think our human side wants us to think the passengers were all knocked out but they could have been just locked out of the cabin and the horror that could have been their last hours is very frightening to think about. There is not a lot that they could use to try to get that cabin door open.

Since the plane was obviously flying on cruise control they probably did not even try to break into the cabin for many hours and thought the pilot was going to land them safely somewhere. At some point many hours into the flight they probably got the wits about them to try to break down the door and maybe could not do it. It would have been awful for all of them if they were alive the whole time.

If they find the plane then the passengers locations will tell the story.

If it turns out they could not open that cockpit door then I sure hope airlines re-think their procedures and at least give the stewardesses some method of accessing the cabin. Like an axe or a master key. The airlines dont let passengers carry on anything that could be used to get into cabin so the airlines would have to give the stewardesses some kind of method.

 

[Hatfield]

Kind of OT, but for those of you scared to fly, I work at an airport, for the airport itself. I'm the one who answers the "crash phone" and gets the rescue crews rolling when we have an aircraft coming in with "trouble". We've never had a crash, usually it's something simple like a light bulb burnt out for the landing gear indicator.

While this disaster seems huge (and it is for the families involved, and I'm not brushing off their anger or grief), there are thousands of flights that fly daily without any problems. I myself am flying in May, and my only concern is if my luggage makes the transfer and it arrives at my destination with me.

What I am trying to say is: Please don't let this catastrophe cloud your future of air travel. You are safer in an aircraft than driving to the airport!

It is hard to comprehend the vast area they are searching. It is huge! They will find it, it just takes time.

Ok, enough of my pep talk, just remember, "glass half full".

I agree that the safety record is still giving us good odds that nothing should happen during our flights. It becomes an odds thing and the odds are very good that we should be ok. The only problem is the unlucky ones on that 1 in a million flight that has issues.

I do have a question if you know the answer. Many years ago it was common for airports to spray that flame retardant foam on the runway if a plane was coming in for a possible crash landing. Like if their landing gear is not showing as locked and down.

My question is they dont seem to ever do that anymore and wondering why?
Is it because they dont want to have all the cleanup for other flights or is there some other reason they stopped doing that?

I always liked that old method and I thought it worked really well to give planes a softer landing and also helped put out any flames.

A perfect example is the Iowa disaster. Why wasnt that landing strip totally covered in spray retardant foam as it came in for landing. I really think it would have helped them a lot.
Instead, the plane's wing caught the tarmac and it ended up doing cartwheels off to the right and burst into flames.

They had quite a bit of time to know that plane was coming and could have used the foam and did not use it. I know the pilot changed runways at the end but they had never sprayed foam on even the original runway so it was obvious they did not even try to use the foam and it has bothered me ever since that crash. I started to think about it and realized I have not seen the foam used for many years now. Its like they quit using it.