Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[Hatfield]

What doesnt make any sense to me is if they lost the signal on #1 and #2 as it faded away, then how come they found the signal with #3 + #4 further South?

It doesnt make any sense unless whatever is making the noise is moving on the bottom. They should not have been able to hear it that far South and they should have been able to hear it closer to #1 + #2 again.

It doesnt make much sense looking at that map where they are hearing it with those new pings as compared to the old pings when it faded out with #1 + #2

 

[JerseyGirl]

I'm remembering the first eerie visuals of Titanic with the little comical robots Alvin & Nautile searching in and around the ship. It was like a voyeuristic feeling that we were disturbing a fine lady in her private hiding place.
I'm looking forward to that experience again please!

DSV Alvin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alvin was involved in the exploration of the wreckage of RMS Titanic in 1986. Alvin, accompanied by a small remotely operated vehicle (ROV) named Jason Jr., was able to conduct detailed photographic surveys and inspections of Titanic's wreckage. Many of the photographs of the expedition have been published in the magazine of the National Geographic Society which was a major sponsor of the expedition. Test depth: 4,500 m (14,800 ft)

Nautile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The vessel has been used to examine the wreck of the RMS Titanic and in the search for the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder from the ill-fated Air France Flight 447. Test depth: 6,000 m (20,000 ft)

 

[amm]

What doesnt make any sense to me is if they lost the signal on #1 and #2 as it faded away, then how come they found the signal with #3 + #4 further South?

It doesnt make any sense unless whatever is making the noise is moving on the bottom. They should not have been able to hear it that far South and they should have been able to hear it closer to #1 + #2 again.

It doesnt make much sense looking at that map where they are hearing it with those new pings as compared to the old pings when it faded out with #1 + #2

I wondered about that, as well. However, what if the two boxes are somehow separated and that is why they got those results? I know the boxes were originally located in the same part of the plane but if the plane broke apart, maybe it is possible.

 

[alioop]

I think the pinger points are not where the boxes are but where Ocean shield was when they picked up the pings. So the boxes will be within a certain distance of those pings, say a couple of kilometres. The more different places they can hear the pings, then the better they can calculate a narrow search area of where the boxes must be on the sea bed. It's called triangulation. Also there are 2 boxes so double sets of pings which could be confusing if they are not close together.

 

[SouthAussie]

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Really nice article here about the men and women behind the scene .. the ones who keep those search planes fit for use day after day.

April 9, 2014 Updated 2 hours ago

RAAF BASE PEARCE, AUSTRALIA — As the brilliant orange glow of another Australian sunset fades and the raucous engines of the search planes stop whirring, the men and women who keep this high-profile operation in the air switch on the floodlights and get busy.

After every flight, the planes need to be refueled and run through a full inspection. Oils and fluids are topped up, and dangerous equipment aboard like smoke locator beacons are carefully removed and stored in a secure spot. Repairs can range from plugging a minor leak to replacing a propeller assembly.

Something as simple as a clogged air pressure gauge could have a catastrophic effect on a flight, but Smith said they take such responsibility in stride.

http://www.sunherald.com/2014/04/09/5482151/ground-crew-work-nights-to-keep.html#storylink=cpy

 

[JerseyGirl]

A top Australian military officer said a thick layer of silt on the seafloor could be muffling the black box transmissions, posing a further challenge to locating the wreckage at a depth few submarines would be able to reach.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/165427/malaysia-jet-search-area-narrows.html

 

[SouthAussie]

We are witness, in real time, to the world’s greatest detective story, replete with false leads and a cast of possible villains.

It’s like a murder where there’s not only no body, there’s no apparent motive.

But the sense is that the net is closing.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave.../story-fnizu68q-1226878038828?from=public_rss

 

[CARIIS]

Dear Brightbird,



Orange is bright!

In light of mounting guilt I am sending you this gift!

Post 6 days ago !

Despite Malaysia Air 370, Latest IATA Data Proves Flying Incredibly Safe

The mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Air Flight 370 has made fearful flyers that much more fearful.

...........can’t argue with data that underscores just how safe flying really is. And those numbers are in for 2013:

36.4 million commercial flights (29.5 million by jet and 6.9 million by turboprop) carrying 3 billion

That’s millions of flights without accident; billions of people transported safely to their destinations

Western-built jets, the accident rate was the equivalent of one for every 2.4 million flights, according to IATA.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngog...test-iata-data-proves-flying-incredibly-safe/.

 

[aa9511]

Morning all, (night to the Aussies and others on here)! I am so haappppyyyy with the latest news!!!!!!! Lucky for me I turned on CNN last night just at right time....hadn't been on here so had no idea of the press conference....happened to turn it on just in time for "Breaking News" - this time actually some kind of news. Very optimistic with these latest ping transmissions - yes, surely the battery is going down, but I think they might be able to get 1 or 2 more sound transmissions. Very happy. I don't think there is any debris associated with this. I think the plane sunk in. Don't think they will find any debris in their calculated areas.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Sorry, just read over my post and want to make clear that I am just happy they have found something. Almost found the wreckage. I am, of course, very sad for the end result, but if this is what happened to the plane, better for the plane to be found than for it to be a mystery forever for the families, and no closure, and they will unfortunately always and forever live with feeling that their loved one will walk through the door at any moment. This way is closure. That's what I meant, I didn't mean to sound so happy. Just that finally we have something.

 

[aa9511]

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Really nice article here about the men and women behind the scene .. the ones who keep those search planes fit for use day after day.



http://www.sunherald.com/2014/04/09/5482151/ground-crew-work-nights-to-keep.html#storylink=cpy

True heroes.

 

[aa9511]

What doesnt make any sense to me is if they lost the signal on #1 and #2 as it faded away, then how come they found the signal with #3 + #4 further South?

It doesnt make any sense unless whatever is making the noise is moving on the bottom. They should not have been able to hear it that far South and they should have been able to hear it closer to #1 + #2 again.

It doesnt make much sense looking at that map where they are hearing it with those new pings as compared to the old pings when it faded out with #1 + #2

IDK but everyone keeps saying oceans can do "funny things."

Can you or someone else verifiy for me that is the Satellite Handshake 7 the Partial Handshake at 8:19?

I believe that's what Mr. Houston said last night.

If that is the Partial Handshake, I have no doubt this the black box. That would be right the location where the plane either ran out of fuel (engines communicated) or had a drastic altitude drop (engines communicated).

 

[Elley Mae]

Earlier, Cmdr. William J. Marks, a spokesman for the United States Navy’s Seventh Fleet, said Australian and American crews were “working round the clock in a deliberate and methodical manner” to reacquire the signal, which would be emitted continuously if it came from a flight data recorder. He said that with a single pass, the signal could be located within a two-mile zone, but that with several passes, and a continuous signal, the beacon could be triangulated to within a couple of hundred yards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

 

[Steely Dan]

The most encouraging news is that it's four pings in a close area. Even if they never hear another ping, it greatly cuts down the area they'll have to scan. JMO

 

[aa9511]

I see Martin and Mitchell are doing some kind of flight graphic but I have in on mute so can't hear them.

 

[Isabelle]

I see Martin and Mitchell are doing some kind of flight graphic but I have in on mute so can't hear them.

Martin and Mitchell?

 

[Gerontion]

In the up and down, but steadily forward progress of the search, we are definately on an up. This has been a two steps forward, one step back, progress for sure. The news that they have "re-aquired" the ping has caused me to re-aquire my hope. My way of looking at the case of the missing aircraft is to focus on finding it. A plane in hand is worth two in bush. The biggest potential source of answers to the myriad of questions swirling in the online maelstrom, is in the wreckage (for example, is there a young male passenger wearing only one shoe? What is the condition of the cockpit door? Things like that). The pings are the last best hope.

 

[Skittles]

Martin and Mitchell?

Martin Savidge (CNN) and Mitchell Casado (flight instructor/pilot in simulator with Martin).

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I agree that the safety record is still giving us good odds that nothing should happen during our flights. It becomes an odds thing and the odds are very good that we should be ok. The only problem is the unlucky ones on that 1 in a million flight that has issues.

I do have a question if you know the answer. Many years ago it was common for airports to spray that flame retardant foam on the runway if a plane was coming in for a possible crash landing. Like if their landing gear is not showing as locked and down.

My question is they dont seem to ever do that anymore and wondering why?
Is it because they dont want to have all the cleanup for other flights or is there some other reason they stopped doing that?

I always liked that old method and I thought it worked really well to give planes a softer landing and also helped put out any flames.

A perfect example is the Iowa disaster. Why wasnt that landing strip totally covered in spray retardant foam as it came in for landing. I really think it would have helped them a lot.
Instead, the plane's wing caught the tarmac and it ended up doing cartwheels off to the right and burst into flames.

They had quite a bit of time to know that plane was coming and could have used the foam and did not use it. I know the pilot changed runways at the end but they had never sprayed foam on even the original runway so it was obvious they did not even try to use the foam and it has bothered me ever since that crash. I started to think about it and realized I have not seen the foam used for many years now. Its like they quit using it.

They definitely used it during a recent crash, can't remember where it was but didn't someone survive the crash but then die because an emergency vehicle ran her over in the foam?

EDIT, just googled and think it was Asiana 214, but I think the foam was used AFTER landing, not before.

 

[Hatfield]

I wondered about that, as well. However, what if the two boxes are somehow separated and that is why they got those results? I know the boxes were originally located in the same part of the plane but if the plane broke apart, maybe it is possible.

I had forgotten about the 2nd box. Good point that the 2nd box may make it a little more confusing.

Although it seems that they should hear it again in the exact same area if they make a pass where they heard it before. It seems a little strange that they cannot hear it in the exact same spot as the 1st time. Unless maybe they never tried to go back to that very first spot.

Just hope they can narrow it down.