Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #23

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  • #81
I believe he was referring to contracting the search to private enterprises which perform searches as a business (i.e., not Boeing or RR). I have wondered why private companies have not yet been involved. I don't know who's supposed to pay for this, though. It should be Malaysia.

Oh, I know search companies will have to bring up what they can. When I worked for an engine manufacturer we sent our Field Engineers out to the site as soon as a crash was reported, on land obviously. This was paid for by the company so that the engines could be investigated right away. I would think Boeing has the same standard procedures in place for any aircraft that they manufactured and would want to investigate this case as soon as they were able to get access to the aircraft and/or the black boxes. It is never an easy task but this one will really be a challenge for all concerned. jmo
 
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Wow I love how the US is thrown in there too :) I wonder if that has to do with Boeing or something?


I would imagine that our Defence Minister has consulted with the US about private companies taking over the search, and who is going to pay for it. We are such close partners with the US, and friendly with China and Malaysia. I don't think that he would publicly say that they may foot the bill without consulting with everyone first.

I think that the US is very involved in this behind the scenes, as this comment from Angus Houston suggests ...


JACC also rejected suggestions the drone could take between six weeks to two months to scan the entire search area.

"Since the US Navy provided comment some days ago, the underwater search has been significantly narrowed through detailed acoustic analysis conducted on the four signal detections made by the towed pinger locator on ADV Ocean Shield," the JACC said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...e-says-jacc-20140417-36v1g.html#ixzz2zBNUpgTZ
 
  • #84
I have just seen this ... about the continuation of the search if nothing is found very soon.

It is in the same article as one where our Prime Minister speaks of possibly re-looking at things if nothing is found in the next week.

"As the search for the missing aircraft continues into day 41, Defence Minister David Johnston said the underwater search may end up being run primarily by private companies, with estimates this could cost up to $250 million.

“Ultimately it may well be that there is a civilian contractor to come and pick up the pieces if we have no success,” he told the Wall Street Journal."


http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ster-tony-abbott/story-fnizu68q-1226887262467

I suppose foreign govt's can only do so much...

It was a private, non profit research company, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, who resumed the search and found the rest of the Air France wreckage in 2011

Perhaps someone like James Cameron will take it up and search for MH370 if the Joint Team of countries do not..
 
  • #85
My opinions only, no facts here:

Looking at the map of the ping detection locations, and considering the implied distances between detection sites, this map makes no sense, even if the ocean was only one foot deep. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the TPL-25 ping detector that was used has a detection range of ONE MILE from the black box (this info is from a navy.mil site). Here is exactly what the site says: "The TPL is able to detect a signal from a distance of approximately one mile with a maximum depth of 20,000 feet." That means the device can be towed up to 20,000 feet deep, but can detect a signal only one mile from the source. However, as I previously stated, there are cases where a black box might be detected from 2 miles away, but a three mile detection range may be somewhat mythical.

The pings were detected from points 24.3 km (15 miles) apart! If the black box is dead-center in the search area AND if the TPL-25 was towed just above the bottom of the ocean, this requires that the signal was detected up to 7.5 miles away. Now, if the two black boxes were separated from each other by many miles and you had a three mile detection range, the map makes at least a little sense to me. But, I cannot think of a realistic plane crash scenario that would deposit the two black boxes so far apart from each other.

Remember that the frequency of the pings was about 33 khz, rather than the expected 37.5 khz. I can think of only one other logical man-made source for such a signal. And that is a depth sounder, a device that is on many boats and ships (you know- a fish finder). Depth sounders have significant military and research applications on the oceans. Depth sounders in deep water commonly use 33 khz as one of their frequencies. If a depth sounder was operating at between 50 to 70 pulses a minute, I suppose it would approximate a black box signal. But we have to assume that the searchers have fully accounted for this possibility. They do this for a living, and I do not.

Look up "Echo sounding" on Wikipedia if you want more information.

On a second subject, I read articles from and listened to various experts with quiet amusement over the past many weeks talking about how it is impossible to use a cell phone from a jet. Yes, they were all kind-of right, but many missed the point that your phone can make contact with cell towers, even if your text or voice message ultimately fails. Now that we know the MH-370 copilot's cell phone made contact with a cell tower, the subject will hopefully get a more serious analysis. Cell phone calls from high altitude cause all sorts of problems with ground-based cell tower systems because the plane is traveling so fast and can "see" so many towers at the same time. So, most of your attempts to dial from high altitude will fail. BUT, you should make contact with various towers. Continuing, I find it hard to believe that the copilot is the only one on MH 370 who forgot to shut his phone off. With a list of the cell numbers of every passenger on board MH-370, a wealth of information might be recovered (before the plane got far away from land). There will likely be other cell tower contacts and maybe, just maybe a truncated text or partial mailbox voice message.

Sleuth On!

BBM ~ Ocean current and the water churning due to a cyclone?

Thank you for your explanation on the cell phones. I had also suggested they look up passengers #'s and check them out. I also find it hard to believe no one else had their phones on.

But, as usual, the media is focusing on the pilot's actions. :facepalm:
 
  • #86
Yeah, the owner said he also refused to dress better after being warned. I would like to hear his response to this. If he really refused then I can see it as justified firing. He did look pretty lousy in that white T-shirt photo.

The only real complaint I had about him was he seemed to be pissed off at times. He seemed like he wasnt happy about doing what was asked when Don would ask them to do somthing.

BBM~ Yes. To me he seemed so serious, but unentusiatic too. What was he supposed to wear? A suit?
 
  • #87
Well, we know the search is supposed to go on for a lot longer than a week or so.

I wonder if the allocated search $$$ are running out, and this is Abbott saying so in his politician's way.

Angus Houston is being a bit quiet too.

This from the same politician who assured the loved ones on March 31st:

Hishammuddin and Australia's Prime Minister Tony Abbott tried to assure the families of the 239 people who were aboard the missing jetliner that the searchers are not giving up.

I guess this is costing a lot, and at the time they were "confident" they were very close.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/dead-end-malaysia-airlines-searchers-giving/story?id=23123066
 
  • #88
Again my apologies - Tapatalk error

Posts landing on the wrong thread!

I am asking the Mods to delete quoted posts & editing mine

:facepalm:

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  • #89
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 search area ‘significantly narrowed’

April 17, 2014 10:01PM


IT is described as “the best lead we have in relation to missing flight MH370”.

Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, said the underwater search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been significantly narrowed through detailed acoustic analysis conducted on the four signal detections made by the Towed Pinger Locator on Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield in the southern Indian Ocean.

“This analysis has allowed the definition of a reduced and more focused underwater search area,” the JACC said in a statement.

“This represents the best lead we have in relation to missing flight MH370 and where the current underwater search efforts are being pursued to their completion so we can either confirm or discount the area as the final resting place of MH370.”

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...icantly-narrowed/story-fniztvng-1226888625751

BBM ~ Oh Lord, I hope so! :please:
 
  • #90
Originally Posted by SouthAussie
Well, we know the search is supposed to go on for a lot longer than a week or so.

I wonder if the allocated search $$$ are running out, and this is Abbott saying so in his politician's way.

Angus Houston is being a bit quiet too.
This from the same politician who assured the loved ones on March 31st:

Hishammuddin and Australia's Prime Minister Tony Abbott tried to assure the families of the 239 people who were aboard the missing jetliner that the searchers are not giving up.

I guess this is costing a lot, and at the time they were "confident" they were very close.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/dead-end-malaysia-airlines-searchers-giving/story?id=23123066

Yes, I think they had great hope (and perhaps knowledge) when they thought they had zeroed in on the spot where MH370 may be. But, no doubt, we can't afford to keep funding the majority of this search .. we have our own internal issues in this country that we need to fund properly as well, as all countries do.


Abbott did say this early in the piece ....

"MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean has no deadline but is not endless, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said today."

“We’re just going to keep on looking because we owe it to people to do everything we can to resolve this riddle,” Abbott said. “It’s not absolutely open-ended, but it’s not something we will lightly abandon.”

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/258227
 
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:lol: Now they have Martin Savidge 50 feet under water in some kind of submarine contraption, poor guy. If he starts dressing like an adolescent frat boy we know why, he wants to get fired!
It was hilarious earlier today when Erin Burnett was interviewing him (while underwater) and she asked him if it was terrifying to be stuck in such a claustrophobic environment with no way out, etc ... and Martin was just like "uuuuh, no, I'm not scared at all..."
 
  • #93
It was hilarious earlier today when Erin Burnett was interviewing him (while underwater) and she asked him if it was terrifying to be stuck in such a claustrophobic environment with no way out, etc ... and Martin was just like "uuuuh, no, I'm not scared at all..."

I couldn't believe when I saw him this morning and got a jolt when they said he was in Horseshoe Bay. That's 20 mins from me! Nothing ever exciting happens around here!:crazy:
 
  • #94
Todays Search
Joint Agency Coordination Centre

Media Release
18 April 2014—am

Up to 11 military aircraft and 12 ships will assist in today's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Today the Australian Maritime Safety Authority has planned a visual search area totalling approximately 51,870 square kilometres, across three areas.

Overnight Bluefin-21 AUV completed another mission in the underwater search area and has commenced mission five. Bluefin-21 has searched approximately 110 square kilometres to date. Data analysis from the fourth mission did not provide any contacts of interest.

The weather forecast for today is isolated showers and south easterly winds

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/index.aspx
 
  • #95
Please accept my apologies for the random posts that appeared here - I was transcribing a BlogTalkRadio show with family members of the missing child on the broadcast (listening via the web while posting on an iPhone).

I haven't posted here in a while, and I have NO idea how my posts ended up on the MH370 thread.

I am mortified, and have flagged the posts that I can't access to edit (Tapatalk won't allow me to completely delete them).

I meant no disrespect to the hard work, and sleuthing you all have and continue to do here. If you had heard the BTR broadcast, it was a universe away from the decorum in which you all conduct yourselves here.

Forgive me.....

~k


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  • #96
I believe the quote was that private companies would be taking over. That would mean Boeing, I think. As long as the aircraft was of no danger to Australia where it ended up I don't see why they would have any major concerns about recovery. Australia has more than contributed to help find this aircraft with not much information or help from Malaysia as to how or why it ended up lying at the bottom of the ocean off their coast.

Also there are two very big companies that are extremely interested in finding out what happened with this flight, Boeing and Rolls Royce. jmo

Malaysia also. Their tourism industry could see a drop in tourists. I am not how much Malaysia is willing to cough up to find MH370.

JMO.
 
  • #97
I would imagine that our Defence Minister has consulted with the US about private companies taking over the search, and who is going to pay for it. We are such close partners with the US, and friendly with China and Malaysia. I don't think that he would publicly say that they may foot the bill without consulting with everyone first.

I think that the US is very involved in this behind the scenes, as this comment from Angus Houston suggests ...




http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...e-says-jacc-20140417-36v1g.html#ixzz2zBNUpgTZ

As far as paying for this, would this not be a good training opportunity for many involved?
SAR and military groups should use this exercise voluntarily and take donations.
What's the point of having all this fancy equipment and not use it in real life situation?

JMO.
 
  • #98
I couldn't believe when I saw him this morning and got a jolt when they said he was in Horseshoe Bay. That's 20 mins from me! Nothing ever exciting happens around here!:crazy:

They're on Van Island?
 
  • #99
BBM~ Yes. To me he seemed so serious, but unentusiatic too. What was he supposed to wear? A suit?

Nice shirt and slacks would have been fine. At least a different shirt every day. jmo
 
  • #100
It was hilarious earlier today when Erin Burnett was interviewing him (while underwater) and she asked him if it was terrifying to be stuck in such a claustrophobic environment with no way out, etc ... and Martin was just like "uuuuh, no, I'm not scared at all..."

I saw that! :floorlaugh: And he looked the complete opposite of "not scared at all." In fact, he looked as if he were going to try clawing his way out of there at any second screaming "Mommy, Mommy!"
 
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