Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[ElleElle]

So that would translate to @9:30am Malaysia time ... so about an hour later than the currently suspected down time of @8:19am.

Is China an hour ahead of Malaysia?

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[2rose]

So that would translate to @9:30am Malaysia time ...
so about an hour later than the currently suspected down time of @8:19am.

Should be correction from 9:30am to 8:30am
so only 11 minutes after last Inmarsat signal.

The time&date server I went to was giving me current time differences
with England starting DST on 30 Mar 2014, but Malaysia does not utilize DST.

 

[ilovepierre]

Should be correction from 9:30am to 8:30am
so only 11 minutes after last Inmarsat signal.

The time&date server I went to was giving me current time differences
with England starting DST on 30 Mar 2014, but Malaysia does not utilize DST.

The times differences have driven me bonkers!

 

[Elley Mae]

Flight MH370 families start whistle-blower fund

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/missing-plane-search-reward/10050933/

Almost three months after the plane disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, some relatives are frustrated by the failure of the official search to find concrete evidence and say they are convinced authorities are concealing the truth.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

More, smoke, mirrors, hail, haze,and fog,……just confusing everything as they have from day one, IMO.


IMO. ………


Debris from aircraft does come ashore, just the way it works -–water moves toward land masses (waves). Nothing in a quarter of a year – defies logic, ,gravity, ocean tides.


It defies logic that Americas biggest spy station being 2000 miles away in Australia saw nothing. .


It defies reports, very soon after , by some folks on an island, who did not say, I saw a MAL airliner but instead described a white red large plane.


It defies logic that the lithium batteries, were the only items released on a jumbo jet “cargo manifest” (heading to China no less) implying that the rest of planes cargo area had NOTHING. It defies logic that what was initially reported as some fruit , days later the lithium batteries were deemed “packed as recommended by the ICAO", checked several times, and deemed to meet regulations” How , on earth could one know “that” if one mistook 36 pound batteries for some fruit.


It defies logic, that ultimately, they released that the most dangerous classification of cargo could be released , but that other items could not be. If your already at class 9 and can release it – what on earth could the rest of the stuff be?


It defies logic it taking a month to release sat data, only to have edited it – the only reason why “editing” is done in any context is to “change” something.


Defies logic that up to this date none of the Free Scale folks names have been released. Why? They were only going to China to do some “cleaning”.


In this day and age of technology, it defies logic to believe that 25 nations could mistake, some whale tagging project, in the most expensive “search” in global history (for a jumbo jet no less). It defies logic, that with the ability to see one scratch their head from space. that for weeks they were , running ships and planes and repositioning satellites all over the ocean and finding logs. It becomes increasingly ludicrous that some of this ocean junk was really large. (See scratch head again). If the world can’t distinguish a floating log from a jumbo jet , then ,well………..


Any entity that really believes a jetliner crashed, who gets pictures of what is a fire extinguisher, from the make and model of the aircraft downed, and does nothing knows no airliner crashed. Defies logic not to go have a look.


It defies logic that the China boats pinged “find” outside of the area that China, along with others have defined as THE area..


It defies credibility to believe that the countries from around the world had the final transmission from the plane, blurred for weeks. (The all right , good night nonsense) The two statements were not even close ,(red or bed) had different number of words, and in all likelihood was determined to be edited. We spy and translate 100s of languages throughout the world in the seconds. Four words became 6!………


It defies logic that a quarter of year later they suddenly remembered that they have some sounds that could be from the crash of airliner. It’s interesting how a “new” “maybe” comes up every couple of weeks. Nonsense, IMO
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It defies logic that not one “friend “of America has ever given their condolences (or their prayers for that matter) to the victims of MAL 370.


It defies logic that the United States of America , on the biggest story in the world , for 10 weeks held what, one mention in the first couple of days and then total silence, never to be heard from again. No press conferences? After one sentence.


It defies logic that the NTSB, who for decades holds press conferences every 6 hours the first 4 days after a crash _ We were told they were involved in the investigation, and we heard nothing. It defies logic that Britain’s version of the NTSB has said nothing
It defies logic, when suspecting foul play ,we have not heard anything (not even we can’t say anything because of national security issues) from the CIA. The FBI. Homeland Security. Department of Defense. It defies logic that Interpol was initially, involved (passports) and not one public statement about their findings
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It defies logic that the pilot , on his simulator, had Garcia on it, and backup landings in the Indian Ocean and officials state they found nothing “odd”



It defies logic that it takes a week to “clear” everyone aboard, from different nations. It is stunning that this was the only thing they did in a timely manner while it is a process, in the real world, would be reasonable and understandable for it take some time.


It defies logic that we have heard nothing from cockpit crew family after a couple of days. OR, From the overwhelmed Free Scale employees (think of the crashes wherein whole football teams go down etc.) wherein 20 of their “own” all perish in a plane crash at once. Typically, it boomerangs with all the grieving people from one place or entity suffering multiple losses.



It defies logic that a quarter of a year later that the IBM guy remains confusing.


It defies logic that there was massive confusion about whether there was luggage attached to folks that never boarded. It was a full jumbo jet. It would be common sense and simple, if as stated, the baggage was offloaded , the plane would have never been able to take off on time. Period.


If defies logic that there was never any meaningful discussion about the fuel aboard at takeoff. That would be critical in either ruling in or out range. It defies logic that “that” info is not readily available. In order for airplanes to become airborne “that” is a must, not kept secret.



It defies logic, in this day and age that the initial “arc” covered half of the planet, (see scratching head above!)



It defies logic, a week, after MAL got “blamed” for its problems it was having handling this , that the US would use its influence to take over if their was any real belief that the aircraft, with 239 human beings abound, crashed anywhere
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It defies logic, after the turnaround was admitted, indicating the plane flew over a signifgant air mass, to not initiate any meaningful land search. This reality becomes even more illogical considering that an inflight fire was a big deal for weeks. Any real belief that the plane crashed, if on fire , would direct one to the “over land “portion of the flight segment, as opposed to just “jumping over” a huge land mass directly under a plane. ( supposedly in distress.).


It defies logic that the first press release occurred an hour after the plane was supposed TO LAND in China.



It defies logic to explain no debris after the first two weeks as related to ocean currents, only to use a hurricane 6 weeks after as the cause for no debris. How could a hurricane move debris that never existed OR sunk? If anything the hurricane would have stirred stuff UP. Nothing came up!


It defies logic that the initial radar stuff had to be “analyzed “for days. We have all seen radar. You look at it. It’s nothing like the satellite stuff – its radar. A child could say , after daddy says it is supposed to go this way, and it goes the opposite direction the child could, instantly state to her daddy that it is not going in the right direction!


Remember the metal “rivets”, it defies logic that it took days to figure out if it was from an airplane or not. NTSB rebuilt TWA 800 after it exploded in the sky and impacted the ocean. Ships manufacturing processes, for obvious reasons , are inheitently different. It’s akin to say they needed days to figure out if it was a part from a rocket, or an automobile!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

My opinions only, no facts here:

MH 370 did not disappear. Only the truth disappeared.

 

[ElleElle]

Did it fly on auto-pilot until it burned out and crash? If so, it just goes to show that airspace is not monitored as we are led to believe. The aviation world knows better tracking is needed and the current system is archaic. I believe nobody wants to pay to upgrade every single commercial aircraft on earth. JMO.

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[Intermezzo]

Interesting. Lack of confidence? Does anyone have her coordinates? They must've had a GPS onboard?


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She has posted what she remembers about the sighting and other information on the cruise forum where she is a Moderator....in one of her last posts she was taking a break from the Internet

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

 

[Intermezzo]

Flight MH370 families start whistle-blower fund

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/missing-plane-search-reward/10050933/

Almost three months after the plane disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, some relatives are frustrated by the failure of the official search to find concrete evidence and say they are convinced authorities are concealing the truth.

This part caught my eye and curiosity
Why not the families from China and Malaysia?

The campaign is an initiative of family members from the USA, Australia, New Zealand, France and India, Bajc said, and does not involve relatives of passengers from China or Malaysia, whose citizens formed the majority of passengers on the flight.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/missing-plane-search-reward/10050933/

 

[2rose]

The times differences have driven me bonkers!

Yea this is confusing me too. I have checked a few different places now like the one below.
And they all say that Malaysia is EIGHT hours ahead of UTC
so 1:30am UTC plus 8 hours still brings me to 9:30am Malaysia time.
Someone with more familiarity with these time conversions needs to confirm.

http://24timezones.com/current_local/malaysia_time.php

 

[SouthAussie]

After reading this, I think that UTC remains the same always.

Daylight Saving Time ( DST) switches have no effect on UTC, which is based on the time on the Prime Meridian and does not observe DST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboututc.html

It also says that the UK switches to BST (British Summer Time) during daylight savings.

The United Kingdom does not observe Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) during daylight saving time in the summer months. Instead the country observes British Summer Time (BST), which is one hour ahead of GMT and UTC. The United Kingdom moves its clocks forward by one hour on the last Sunday of March and back again on the last Sunday of October.

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/united-kingdom-bst.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Wiki has a handy little chart of MH370 events and their UTC & MYT times.

Makes it a little easier when comparing times of different sightings etc.

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#Timeline_of_disappearance

 

[2rose]

This part caught my eye and curiosity
Why not the families from China and Malaysia?

The campaign is an initiative of family members from the USA, Australia, New Zealand, France and India, Bajc said, and does not involve relatives of passengers from China or Malaysia, whose citizens formed the majority of passengers on the flight.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/missing-plane-search-reward/10050933/

Just what I noticed from watching CNN ...
Because of location & language, there are 2 different "groups" representing the family members.

One family group has had Sarah Bajc as their spokesperson on CNN. She has always remained in Beijing, China. She organizes various actiities for the international passengers who are English speaking or using English to communicate with the western world. She is in touch with various English speaking scientists & organizations for help (like Wood's Hole).

The other family group is those Chinese & Malaysian families that have been present in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, the whole time, staying in the hotel where all the press meetings have been televised from. Most of them don't speak English & they have had Steve Wang as their spokes person on CNN. I would think that they are focusing their attempts using Asian speaking organizations that we in the western world are unfamiliar with & might not be hearing about.

Because of their different locations they have initiated different projects attempted at getting answers from the politicians.

From the start, Bajc's group has been used to working together over long distances between family members.

Wang's group has now been sent home from the hotel & perhaps their efforts are not co-ordinated now over long distances between family members.

 

[ilovepierre]

Yea this is confusing me too. I have checked a few different places now like the one below.
And they all say that Malaysia is EIGHT hours ahead of UTC
so 1:30am UTC plus 8 hours still brings me to 9:30am Malaysia time.
Someone with more familiarity with these time conversions needs to confirm.

http://24timezones.com/current_local/malaysia_time.php

And I know Malaysia doesn't observe DST, so that was never a factor.
I always though the last "handshake" was around 8:30 am, so where is this extra hour coming in from?!

Arrrgh!

 

[ElleElle]

After reading this, I think that UTC remains the same always.




It also says that the UK switches to BST (British Summer Time) during daylight savings.

Wasn't daylight savings the same day/night MH370 went missing?



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[Nymeria]

Wasn't daylight savings the same day/night MH370 went missing?



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It was March 9th for the US.
UK was March 30th.

You can check here though, for all regions-

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2014.html

ETA- And the plane went missing early am on Sat. the 8th of March.

 

[ilovepierre]

Wasn't daylight savings the same day/night MH370 went missing?



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Yes, but Malaysia (and most other countries in the area) don't observe DST.

 

[HMSHood]

http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/I-thought-saw-MH370-fire-says-Phuket/29654#ad-image-2

“I was on a night watch. My husband was asleep below deck and our one other crew member was asleep on deck,” she told the Phuket Gazette.



If it was an odd sight in the sky, it makes me wonder why she didn't wake the other person up she said was on deck at the time.

It may be completely genuine, but the cynic in me also wonders if there is a financial gain to be made in the case of some solo eyewitness accounts. The corresponding GPS data is interesting but I have no idea just how secure or reliable any data really is.

I suppose the way authorities were quick to discount other possible eyewitness accounts (like the oil rig guy) might have something to do with not coming forward if she didn't think it would be taken particularly seriously.

All my opinion only.



Here's another article about this with other info / further explanation of some stuff:-


Sailor Katherine Tee reports seeing Malaysia Airlines MH370 on fire near Thailand

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...re-near-thailand/story-fnizu68q-1226941681483

Interesting that someone may have seen MH370 near Thailand. I wonder why that area, Andoman and Nicobar Islands, or Maldives have not been searched like South Indian Ocean. I think the airplane flew to Asia, probably Burma. I wonder if Malaysia has asked Burma if they saw MH370.

They seem to focus on MH370 flying into the South Indian Ocean, which is possible. However, no debris has been found.

 

[marlywings]

Frequently asked questions

Last update 05 June 2014

How do you know MH370 is in the southern Indian Ocean?

All the evidence—based on independent analysis of satellite, radar and aircraft performance data from many international experts—indicates the aircraft entered the sea close to a long but narrow arc in the southern Indian Ocean. This arc has been the focus of the search efforts since late March. All future search operations will continue to take place in localised areas of the arc.

Why is the seventh satellite ‘handshake’ or arc so important?

The seventh handshake was the last communications MH370 had with the satellite. The signal was a logon request from the aircraft. This is consistent with the satellite communication equipment on the aircraft powering up following a power interruption. The interruption in electrical supply is highly likely to have been caused by fuel exhaustion. In other words, we are confident the seventh handshake represents the area where the aircraft ran out of fuel before entering the ocean.

Has the search been suspended?

No. The ATSB is leading the continuing underwater search for MH370.

The current phase of the search operation involves three major stages:
•reviewing all existing information and analysis to define a search zone of up to 60,000 square kilometres along the arc in the southern Indian Ocean
•conducting a bathymetric survey to map the sea floor in the defined search area (underway)
•contracting the specialist services required for a comprehensive search of the sea floor in that area (search to begin in August 2014).

How long will the current underwater search take?

It is expected that the underwater search of a defined 60,000 square kilometre zone will take up to 12 months to complete, although this will depend on such factors as weather conditions.

Who is analysing the satellite communications data?

This work is being performed both independently and collaboratively by an international satellite communications group formed early in this search—this comprises staff from technical organisations and accident investigation agencies in the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia. This group is continuing to review and refine the satellite, radar and aircraft performance data to determine the most probable area where the aircraft entered the water.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370/frequently-asked-questions.aspx

 

[Intermezzo]

Interesting that someone may have seen MH370 near Thailand. I wonder why that area, Andoman and Nicobar Islands, or Maldives have not been searched like South Indian Ocean. I think the airplane flew to Asia, probably Burma. I wonder if Malaysia has asked Burma if they saw MH370.

They seem to focus on MH370 flying into the South Indian Ocean, which is possible. However, no debris has been found.

They were heading to Phuket, Thailand

IIRC, On the cruise forum, where she has posted, she said they heading towards Phuket,Thailand and were not far from Banda Aceh, Indonesia (northern tip of Malacca Strait as it opens into the Andaman Sea) close to where the last blip of MH370 was picked up by Malaysian Military Radar

If their location and time add up she could very well have seen the plane...at least that would give the direction the plane was heading (southward) and that she believed what she saw was on glowing orange..on fire?

This lack of debris, anywhere , is puzzling to say the least.

 

[Intermezzo]

Just what I noticed from watching CNN ...
Because of location & language, there are 2 different "groups" representing the family members.

One family group has had Sarah Bajc as their spokesperson on CNN. She has always remained in Beijing, China. She organizes various actiities for the international passengers who are English speaking or using English to communicate with the western world. She is in touch with various English speaking scientists & organizations for help (like Wood's Hole).

The other family group is those Chinese & Malaysian families that have been present in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, the whole time, staying in the hotel where all the press meetings have been televised from. Most of them don't speak English & they have had Steve Wang as their spokes person on CNN. I would think that they are focusing their attempts using Asian speaking organizations that we in the western world are unfamiliar with & might not be hearing about.

Because of their different locations they have initiated different projects attempted at getting answers from the politicians.

From the start, Bajc's group has been used to working together over long distances between family members.

Wang's group has now been sent home from the hotel & perhaps their efforts are not co-ordinated now over long distances between family members.

thanks
Yes, Steven Wang's (who lives in Beijing) and the Chinese group of families were sent home from the Beijing Hotel they were staying at ..The Lido.

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Chi.../2301382/-/format/xhtml/-/ctlbdk/-/index.html