Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[2rose]

thanks
Yes, Steven Wang's (who lives in Beijing) and the Chinese group of families were sent home from the Beijing Hotel they were staying at ..The Lido.

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Chi.../2301382/-/format/xhtml/-/ctlbdk/-/index.html

Thanks for the correction on the hotel location. There is a Lido Hotel in both Kuala Lumpur & Beijing ... I didn't think the Malaysian politicians were flying to Beijing for every press conference, so I assumed they were in Kuala Lumpur.

I know Bajc has said on CNN that she was avoiding all contact with the Asian press & only making use of the CNN news outlet. So all of her group organization activities has been done separate from the family members who were at the hotel.

 

[HMSHood]

They were heading to Phuket, Thailand

IIRC, On the cruise forum, where she has posted, she said they heading towards Phuket,Thailand and were not far from Banda Aceh, Indonesia (northern tip of Malacca Strait as it opens into the Andaman Sea) close to where the last blip of MH370 was picked up by Malaysian Military Radar

If their location and time add up she could very well have seen the plane...at least that would give the direction the plane was heading (southward) and that she believed what she saw was on glowing orange..on fire?

This lack of debris, anywhere , is puzzling to say the least.

The glowing orange is interesting. I wonder if there was a fire on board. Now, if the fire really did happen on MH370, wouldn't the fire spread throughout the airplane and cause it to fall?

 

[ilovepierre]

The glowing orange is interesting. I wonder if there was a fire on board. Now, if the fire really did happen on MH370, wouldn't the fire spread throughout the airplane and cause it to fall?

I don't know if it would spread throughout the cabin.
Once all the controls in the cockpit are wrecked from the fire, the plane will fall regardless of where/if the fire spread.

IIRC, SwissAir 111 crashed because of a fire in the cockpit only.
It never spread outside the cockpit.
So it is possible a contained fire can cause a plane to crash.

 

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http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-man-loses-contract-after-mh370-email-5994731

NZ man loses contract after MH370 email

Following the publication of his email, name and place of work, the rig operator, Idemitsu, and McKay's contractor and rig owner, Songa Offshore, were inundated with inquiries that blocked their communications, McKay said.

"This became intolerable for them and I was removed from the rig and not invited back."

McKay said he was paid up until the end of his hitch, or work period, but released from the rig five days early.

 

[SouthAussie]

As well as the oil rig worker and the sailor .. and the people in the Maldives … there are other eye witness reports to consider as well.

Nine new reports of noise and light in sky near Malaysia-Thai border

The reports, from several towns and villages in the north east, said the aircraft was seen low over the sea.

The new claims follow two earlier statements by a businessman and a fisherman that they had seen an aircraft's lights low in the sky before they disappeared.

'A bus driver, who gave his voluntary statement on Sunday, said he saw a low-flying plane at Penarik at about 1.45am the same day flight MH370 went missing.

From the Marang area, said the commander, eight villagers lodged police reports claiming they had heard a loud noise on Saturday night coming from the direction of Pulau Kapas.
One of the villagers, Alias Salleh, 36, told The Star newspaper that he and some friends were on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach at 1.20am when they heard a loud and frightening noise which sounded like the fan of a jet engine.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alaysia-military-moving-search-area-west.html

 

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The glowing orange is interesting. I wonder if there was a fire on board. Now, if the fire really did happen on MH370, wouldn't the fire spread throughout the airplane and cause it to fall?

I don't know if it would spread throughout the cabin.
Once all the controls in the cockpit are wrecked from the fire, the plane will fall regardless of where/if the fire spread.

IIRC, SwissAir 111 crashed because of a fire in the cockpit only.
It never spread outside the cockpit.
So it is possible a contained fire can cause a plane to crash.

IF Mrs Tee saw MH370 and IF it was on fire would it/could it be possible the plane continued to fly (either by a pilot or on auto pilot) for as long as the satellite data analysis says the plane flew?

I just read Swiss Air 111 ... from the time the flight crew detected an odour in the cabin (that they determined was smoke coming from the air conditioning system) to the time the plane crashed into the ocean was less than 30 mins.

22:10 Flight crew detected an odour in the cockpit, plane was at 33,000ft
22:31 Swiss Air 111 crashed into the ocean
Both recorders stopped recording when the plane lost electrical power at 10,000ft

Now getting back to MH370 being on fire and the 2 sightings:

So IF MH370 was on fire it was on fire in the gulf of thailand/south china sea(as per oil rig guy. top white dot on image below) then the plane flew westward across Malaysia, on fire, then turned northward up the Strait of Malacca, on fire..and then flew southward (as per the sighting of the female boater who says they were near Banda Aceh Indonesia, this sighting would have been after 2am) for 6-7 hours(according to the satellite analysis)...on fire?????

 

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As well as the oil rig worker and the sailor .. and the people in the Maldives … there are other eye witness reports to consider as well.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alaysia-military-moving-search-area-west.html

these sightings are from people in Malaysia...The timing fits with the plane turning westward and flying back across Malaysia at a lower altitude

None of these witnesses said they saw something on fire..but they heard loud noise and saw blinking lights

 

[SouthAussie]

these sightings are from people in Malaysia...The timing fits with the plane turning westward and flying back across Malaysia at a lower altitude

None of these witnesses said they saw something on fire..but they heard loud noise and saw blinking lights

Yes ... the loud noise they heard is what interests me. Was this the catastrophic event that happened, that may have led to a fire? Then the climb to put out the fire, and gain some kind of control of the plane.

 

[ilovepierre]

I still haven't discounted the early sightings by people near Malaysia and the oil rig worker's sighting. Their accounts fit the timeline...

 

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Yes ... the loud noise they heard is what interests me. Was this the catastrophic event that happened, that may have led to a fire? Then the climb to put out the fire, and gain some kind of control of the plane.

a loud noise could be the noise of the engines of a very large plane like the 777 flying at a lower altitude

At the beginning I believed so strongly on a catastrophic event because of the sharp turn back over Malaysia....but the plane was still in the air at 2:15am when last detected by Malaysian military radar at the northern tip of the Strait of Malacca

Can't even imagine the frustration felt by the searchers and they have more information than the general public does...

 

[SouthAussie]

a loud noise could be the noise of the engines of a very large plane like the 777 flying at a lower altitude

Yes, I think it was. But what happened to send the plane from 33,000 feet to 'low flying' very suddenly at 1:20am .. when the eye witnesses heard the very loud and frightening sound like a jet engine?

I would have thought it would take a bit more time to bring the plane safely (and swiftly) to a low flying altitude. Seems to me that the plane may have dropped suddenly.



"One of the villagers, Alias Salleh, 36, told The Star newspaper that he and some friends were on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach at 1.20am when they heard a loud and frightening noise which sounded like the fan of a jet engine."

"01:19 Last Malaysian ATC voice contact"
"01:21 Last secondary radar (transponder) contact"

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

 

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Yes, I think it was. But what happened to send the plane from 33,000 feet to 'low flying' very suddenly at 1:20am .. when the eye witnesses heard the very loud and frightening sound like a jet engine?

I would have thought it would take a bit more time to bring the plane safely (and swiftly) to a low flying altitude. Seems to me that the plane may have dropped suddenly.



"One of the villagers, Alias Salleh, 36, told The Star newspaper that he and some friends were on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach at 1.20am when they heard a loud and frightening noise which sounded like the fan of a jet engine."

"01:19 Last Malaysian ATC voice contact"
"01:21 Last secondary radar (transponder) contact"

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

At first, I strongly believed it was a catastrophic event that lead to the sudden change in altitude and turn back towards Malaysia...

but the plane continued to fly..it flew right over Malaysia

It turned northward and continued flying up the Strait of Malacca

Last spotted on military radar at 2:15am at the northern tip of the Strait of Malacca...

I heart stills holds some hope it was a catastrophic event...but my mind tells me a catastrophic event would have brought the plane down sooner..over land or water somewhere near Malaysia, or Thailand or Indonesia..not continued to fly...

:twocents:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

MH370 Families Seek $5 Million for Reward and Investigation

Family members of Flight 370 passengers said Sunday that they are seeking to raise $5 million for a reward and private investigation leading to discovery of what happened to the missing jet and the 239 people on board.

The Reward MH370 project aims “to encourage a whistle blower to come forward” with information about the jet’s fate, a statement issued by five family members said.

Project leader Ethan Hunt said the effort was being launched Sunday on the fund-raising website **************, three months after the Boeing 777 disappeared on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...s-seek-5-million-reward-investigation-n125526


MH370 families seek $5 million for investigation, 'whistle blower' reward

By Faith Karimi and Saima Mohsin, CNN

updated 8:06 AM EDT, Sun June 8, 2014

(CNN) -- Three months to the day after a Malaysian jetliner vanished, relatives of those aboard are set to launch an effort Sunday to raise $5 million for investigations and a "whistle blower" reward.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared on March 8 with 239 people aboard.

A multinational effort to scour the choppy waters of the southern Indian Ocean has turned up no signs of the jetliner.

After weeks of grueling underwater searches, authorities said the four acoustic pings used to narrow down the location are no longer believed to be from the plane's onboard data or cockpit voice recorders. The underwater search was postponed in late May.

But relatives demanded answers, prompting the Reward MH370 fundraiser. It is expected to launch on the crowdsourcing website Indiegogo...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-families-fund/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[ElleElle]

They were heading to Phuket, Thailand

IIRC, On the cruise forum, where she has posted, she said they heading towards Phuket,Thailand and were not far from Banda Aceh, Indonesia (northern tip of Malacca Strait as it opens into the Andaman Sea) close to where the last blip of MH370 was picked up by Malaysian Military Radar

If their location and time add up she could very well have seen the plane...at least that would give the direction the plane was heading (southward) and that she believed what she saw was on glowing orange..on fire?

This lack of debris, anywhere , is puzzling to say the least.

Unless the debris is not in water. It could deep in the jungle in Thailand, Burma, Laos, Vietnam.

Just a thought, not fact.

 

[ElleElle]

The glowing orange is interesting. I wonder if there was a fire on board. Now, if the fire really did happen on MH370, wouldn't the fire spread throughout the airplane and cause it to fall?

Perhaps there was an electrical fire in the cockpit. The crew tried to elevate the plane to put out the fire. In doing this, everyone onboard was incapacitated.
The fire burned itself out (I think of a campfire the following morning); but kept flying on auto-pilot.

I know, I know one of hundreds of theories.

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[ElleElle]

Yes, I think it was. But what happened to send the plane from 33,000 feet to 'low flying' very suddenly at 1:20am .. when the eye witnesses heard the very loud and frightening sound like a jet engine?

I would have thought it would take a bit more time to bring the plane safely (and swiftly) to a low flying altitude. Seems to me that the plane may have dropped suddenly.



"One of the villagers, Alias Salleh, 36, told The Star newspaper that he and some friends were on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach at 1.20am when they heard a loud and frightening noise which sounded like the fan of a jet engine."

"01:19Last Malaysian ATC voice contact"
"01:21Last secondary radar (transponder) contact"

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

Let's assume the sound heard was a 777's engine? Couldn't it fly off the other engine? No distress call either.

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[ilovepierre]

Perhaps there was an electrical fire in the cockpit. The crew tried to elevate the plane to put out the fire. In doing this, everyone onboard was incapacitated.
The fire burned itself out (I think of a campfire the following morning); but kept flying on auto-pilot.

I know, I know one of hundreds of theories.

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That theory makes sense.
It's one of many theories that I have, too!

 

[CARIIS]

set to launch an effort Sunday to raise $5 million for investigations and a "whistle blower" reward.

Will be interesting to see if anyone blows it wide open!! It all has been a huge lie........

The plane IMO, NEVER crashed ..

a an empty 777 weighs 150 tons.

150 tons (foreget full passenger cargo fuel ) 150 tons of ANYTHING does not vanish off the face of the planet --its a physics impossiblity.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...boeing-777-costs-320-million-dollars/7063805/

Planes dont crash in water , and sink instantly, there are hours of it going down , things inside floating about and coming out and to the surface of the broken mainframe....

Back in the 40 50 60's planes were not found, that is not related to the fact that lots of debris does not float for days, that is back then there was not the navigationial stuff like today.

By that I mean it was point to point - hours between call ins, hours before discovering that a plane did not land, so it could be 1000's of miles , without the search technology if today.


Its simple physics .............................................

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-families-fund/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

The reason why airplanes have not been found before is the naviation tools back then.

......... flying long overwater routes (back then)can be a lonely experience, full of boredom for hours on end, andthen experiencing the stark terror of not finding the destination where and when you expect


Think hurricane forescasting in the 50 60 70's!

http://dc3airways.com/tech_editor/files/te_nav_lr_nav.pdf

 

[panthera]

Let's assume the sound heard was a 777's engine? Couldn't it fly off the other engine? No distress call either.

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One would think if the aircraft experienced engine failure, although it could fly with just one engine, that some radio transmission would be made. I still believe there was an electrical problem and/or the flight crew became incapacitated. Being that nothing has been found in the Indian Ocean so far, I am inclined to think it may have gone down elsewhere, perhaps on land in a jungle. In SE Asia there are many possibilities.

MOO

 

[CARIIS]

Let's assume the sound heard was a 777's engine? Couldn't it fly off the other engine? No distress call either.

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They are designed ( have to FAA cert) to fly with engine failure / out if manufactoer cant prove that they will not certify the airplane!

In fact the 777 was the first twin engine to get what is called ETOPS (Extended Twin-engine Operations). Basically twin engine aircraft could not be flown on routes wherein during the whole flight thye were X miles away from land.

The twin engines were a big concern. Before that, most were 3 or 4 engine, (the DC9 was not transatlantic machine so if it lost one of its two engines - land was always below it!) so they did not have that requirement.

Boeing was able to get 180 minutes , in the 777, with engine reliabilty from land it was huge deal. They did not grant the triple seven the 180 until it had been in service and its engine reliability was stunning! I remember when it got it ETOPS rating of 180!

-" it was Boeing 777 was the first aircraft to carry an ETOPS rating of 180 minutes .In 1988, the FAA amended the ETOPS regulation to allow the extension to a 180-minute diversion period subject to stringent technical and operational qualifications. This made 95% of the Earth's surface available to ETOPS flights..."

It was a historic victory for Boeing (twin engine, less fuel, awesome range, only two engines to maintain etc)


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