Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[21merc7]

what a terrifying picture. these are the images that scare me to death!!!verreaction:

:therethere:

I think that is criminals being taken in. That is a good feeling.

 

[Isabelle]

P8A Poseidon: " nowhere to run, nowhere to hide"

 

[21merc7]

Are lithium batteries allowed in your checked in luggage and carry on bags?

I carry them for ecigs on flights, no problem. (In plastic battery boxes, not in the ecig.) All is scanned and hand searched.

Lighters on the other hand, not after 9/11 in U.S.

ETA: I'm thinking this is another reporter sent a link about something, not the military telling us what happened, as they still do not know, and we will know when they find out and decide to tell us.

 

[Softail]

They just showed on CNN how easy it is to turn off the transponder. I had no idea it was that easy! A couple of switches, and its off. They turn it off when on the ground.

 

[skibaboo]

That's worth tweeting, to put this hoax to rest. Shame on them!
:moo:
#TeamWebsleuths

It's tweeted #TeamWebsleuths indeed! :loveyou:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

So I am not exactly sure how, but I feel like this could all be connected:

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said on Saturday that they are checking the authenticity of speculation that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane had landed in Nanning in China.

"There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others," he said at a press conference at the KLIA.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...onfirmation-missing-plane-landed-china-201403

Malaysia Airlines are working to verify the authenticity that its flight MH370 that had lost contact with traffic control has reportedly landed in Nanming, Group CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said Saturday.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nat...erifying-report-that-missing-pl-30228717.html

Nanming is 6 hours from Kunming, where the knife attack happened. There is also no passenger jet airport in Nanming! It is a district of a larger city, where there is an airport: Guiyang. But why did the CEOs think it landed there?

Now onto the passenger....

Malay language daily Harian Metro today ran a report quoting Hadi as saying that the Malaysian police and Interpol are combing through the personal backgrounds of passengers and crew on the missing Boeing 777-200, especially a 35-year-old passenger of Uighur descent.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...-passenger-crew-of-mh370#sthash.Kjj8w6uB.dpuf

An unnamed source had told the daily that Malaysian police and Interpol are focusing their attention on this man because of the skills he possessed.

“We are not saying that he is involved in terrorism, suspected of sabotaging or hijacking the plane, it’s just that more attention is on him because of his background and we feel that there are important elements that have to be looked at,” the source was quoted as saying.

Besides extensive teaching and research experience in electronics, biomedical, and digital communications, the man had also spent slightly less than a year between 2004 and 2005 as a researcher at a training and simulation centre in Sweden.

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/news...take-close-look-at-uighur-passenger-crew.html

You may have seen the passenger list of flight MH370 circulating, and if you look closely you may have noticed that Passenger 84's name has been blurred out.

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/i...no-84-on-flight-mh370?&Itemid=2#ixzz2vy0R1yo4

So....any chance the plane did land in Nanming?

 

[PrairieWind]

A persistent bump.

:bump:

2 hours time, period. This has been a problem before. I remember in the Payne Stewart incident, that private jet had a voice recorder as well. And since the plane flew clear across the country, 4 hours i believe, the voice recorded did not record what happened shortly after the plane took off that disable the crew/passengers. I believe those records use actual tape to record on that just loops back over. It seems there could be a better way to do this now. Perhaps more recent planes have a different CVR system. We would need someone from Boeing to tell us what this particular CVR can record as far as how far back.

 

[21merc7]

2 hours time, period. This has been a problem before. I remember in the Payne Stewart incident, that private jet had a voice recorder as well. And since the plane flew clear across the country, 4 hours i believe, the voice recorded did not record what happened shortly after the plane took off that disable the crew/passengers. I believe those records use actual tape to record on that just loops back over. It seems there could be a better way to do this now. Perhaps more recent planes have a different CVR system. We would need someone from Boeing to tell us what this particular CVR can record as far as how far back.

Thank you.

I saw on the Bill Nye clip these may still use reel to reel. Why not both. Digital sound recording, and reel to reel. Digital is so small it can be added, reel to reel insures last times recorded and not tampered with the ease of digital tampering.

Obviously, I don't know what CVR means. What does it mean?

 

[Elley Mae]

In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles (144 km) off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called “Igari”. The time was 1:21 a.m..

The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called “Vampi”, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

The time was then 2:15 a.m. That is the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane’s possible direction.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-370-divert-andaman-islands-article-1.1721523

 

[ilovepierre]

FWIW, When my husband and I flew to Hawaii for our honeymoon a few years ago we had the option of paying for wifi access in coach.

American or Canadian airliner?
I assume most America airliners offer WiFi, but Air Canada is the only Canadian airliner so far to offer it. I rarely fly on any airliner other than West Jet, so I don't know what other airlines offer.

 

[mck16]

this is getting serious. Bloody Mary and a Twix. :facepalm:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

American or Canadian airliner?
I assume most America airliners offer WiFi, but Air Canada is the only Canadian airliner so far to offer it. I rarely fly on any airliner other than West Jet, so I don't know what other airlines offer.

Does it depend on the length of the flight? I fly from Chicago/Minneapolis/Detroit to Newark/Philadelphia (so 2-2 1/2 hours) multiple times a year, and I have rarely had WiFi.

 

[PrairieWind]

Thank you.

I saw on the Bill Nye clip these may still use reel to reel. Why not both. Digital sound recording, and reel to reel. Digital is so small it can be added, reel to reel insures last times recorded and not tampered with the ease of digital tampering.

Obviously, I don't know what CVR means. What does it mean?

CVR = cockpit voice recorder.

 

[skibaboo]

:therethere:

I think that is criminals being taken in. That is a good feeling.

No no, sorry I did not mean to scare anyone, just debunking a hoax. The photograph I posted was from a training exercise. (I have gone back and bolded that bit)

 

[hambirg]

Woohoo! I finally caught up!

Great image. I think it shows that 4 or more hours of flight time would take it much further than andaman (JMO)

This was my thought too. Why look there if they think the plane was still flying?

Thanks .. But the real question is ..

Would phones with full GPS chips/receivers still be able to be pinged by satellites?If someone had the I.d number and phone info. I believe the USA is searching for the full GPS phones. IMO.

I wondered this too. It seems that it would only take one cell phone with GPS on to be able to track, but maybe I'm missing something. There might be a way to block those signals either incoming or outgoing. . .foil over the windows???

If there was a sonic boom over head, I guaranty we would have more than a few fisherman that heard it. I grew up in an area and a time when sonic booms were not uncommon. They would shake the house.

I agree. It would have been a lot more than 8 villagers!

That was my theory this morning, heck, it's within the 2,000 miles of Malaysia.

But, I'm over that now. My new theory is that it flew under the radar to Bangladesh or Pakistan.

I'm sure I'll have a different theory tonight when I hear updates.

If you look at the maps, it looks like it could have made it to Xinjiang. If that's the case, maybe that explains China's behavior. They could be negotiating. :waitasec:

 

[ilovepierre]

Are lithium batteries allowed in your checked in luggage and carry on bags?

I carry my laptop in my carry-on baggage and it uses a lithium battery.
I don't know if this lithium battery theory holds much water. So many electronics (both in checked and carry-on baggage) contain lithium batteries, and I have never heard of a plane catching fire/exploding because of them.

 

[Spellbound]

Its 2 am there so maybe we won't hear until the light comes up?

Update on Poseidon and USS Kidd. If I read the article right, they are now in the areas to be searched, Poseidon waiting for orders

http://www.newsdaily.com/asia/fa03a...plane-to-search-bay-of-bengal-for-missing-jet

 

[JerseyGirl]

In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles (144 km) off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called “Igari”. The time was 1:21 a.m..

The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called “Vampi”, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

The time was then 2:15 a.m. That is the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane’s possible direction.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-370-divert-andaman-islands-article-1.1721523

From what I understand, that's where it all ends. They are still waiting for radar reports from other countries (India, etc.) to see if the other waypoints carry it across to the Middle East.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Okay, regarding my last post: It is unclear about whether they meant Nanning or Nanming. Nanning makes more sense, but why do the articles say Nanming? Just a typo?

 

[CarolynV]

I carry my laptop in my carry-on baggage and it uses a lithium battery.
I don't know if this lithium battery theory holds much water. So many electronics (both in checked and carry-on baggage) contain lithium batteries, and I have never heard of a plane catching fire/exploding because of them.

Exactly, people do it everyday, so why is this a viable option?