Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

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  • #121
Can someone please give me update. I have been at work all day... And haven't been able to follow along.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malays...sent-signal-4-hours-after-vanishing-1.2570313

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 sent signal 4 hours after vanishing
"On Thursday, Malaysian authorities expanded their search westward toward India, saying the aircraft with 239 people aboard may have flown for several hours after its last contact with the ground shortly after takeoff early Saturday from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing.

A U.S. official on Thursday said the plane was sending signals to a satellite for four hours after the aircraft went missing, an indication that it was still flying. The jet had enough fuel to reach deep into the Indian Ocean."
 
  • #122
Just trying to wrap my head around pilot/co-pilot suicide theory.

If either the pilot or co-pilot had decided they wanted to commit suicide, killed the other, than turned off the transponders and either killed themselves or let the plane do the job, what about the flight attendants?

If the scheduled flight went over the time it normally took, I think the flight attendants would have questioned that and tried contacting the captain or the co-pilot. If they were unable to communicate with the flight crew I think the flight attendants would have contacted or alerted someone on the ground to a problem.

I guess my question is this: Is there a way for the flight attendants to make contact with the outside world on an airliner????

They do have those phones that passengers can use on most all US flights, so I would think so.

If this was a suicide mission and the transponder was turned off and the plane allowed to fly on auto pilot until it ran out of fuel, than why didn't anyone on the plane make contact with someone on the ground?

Suicide and the plane flying on for hours just doesn't make sense, unless the pilots killed or incapacitated all those on board. The only way I can think of doing that would be to set off some kind of chemical bomb on board.

JMO

BBM ~ Exactly. Most people have cell phones and it a FA walked into the cockpit and noticed something suspicious wouldn't a call or 2 be made?

I'm not a FA, but if I walked in and the crew's behavior is suspicious, I would not shake it off.

With that being said, a couple of things:

1. Maybe the Captain/Co had specific rules not allowing anyone in?
2. Maybe since everything looks the same, no one thought they were off course?
 
  • #123
thanks for this.......

for we non technical minded people this is quite hard to get a grip on,...I start reading the technical stuff and it starts going 'blah blah blah oh the washing has finished' in my head...

also I am multitasking here, selling on ebay, housework and this all at the same time, so I do miss pages and skim through them as it moves so fast and is hard to catch up.....

so for those who are like me, we do appreciate you technies explaining this to us over and over......we are not stupid, just have talents in other areas :drumroll:

Good lord, I hope you're not referring to moi as a techie. I am a housewife/glass artist/personal taxi cab for the kids! I google well :floorlaugh:

ETA: I have techies in the house; my teenagers!
 
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  • #125
so there is no reason we can think of that would make a pilot purposefully tur off a trams ponder in flight except in a situation where you are preparing to land and another plane is near to you? I understand WHY pilots have a means of putting the thing on standby or turning it off so to speak, but why would a pilot do that in flight?

Are there any other reasons we can think of for that to be done with purpose?

Do they explain WHY this is a needed thing

lol, went to hit post and saw CALIS had already posted a reply
 
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  • #127
autocorrect is not my friend. Good night folks. I am too tired to think straight but this plane, where is it? It wakes me in the middle of the night.
 
  • #128
New twist in the hunt for missing plane
Administration officials say they have information that the plane’s engines remained running for approximately four hours after it disappeared from radar. The officials also acknowledged that they did not know what direction the plane flew — or whether it simply circled — over that time or whether it was airborne at all. But four hours of additional flight could have put the plane somewhere over the Indian Ocean, prompting U.S. officials from considering expanding the search into that area.

Image from story (Washington Post)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-twist-in-the-hunt-for-missing-plane/2014/03/13/dcee10da-aae6-11e3-98f6-8e3c562f9996_graphic.html
 
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  • #130
Just trying to wrap my head around pilot/co-pilot suicide theory.

If either the pilot or co-pilot had decided they wanted to commit suicide, killed the other, than turned off the transponders and either killed themselves or let the plane do the job, what about the flight attendants?

If the scheduled flight went over the time it normally took, I think the flight attendants would have questioned that and tried contacting the captain or the co-pilot. If they were unable to communicate with the flight crew I think the flight attendants would have contacted or alerted someone on the ground to a problem.

I guess my question is this: Is there a way for the flight attendants to make contact with the outside world on an airliner????

They do have those phones that passengers can use on most all US flights, so I would think so.

If this was a suicide mission and the transponder was turned off and the plane allowed to fly on auto pilot until it ran out of fuel, than why didn't anyone on the plane make contact with someone on the ground?

Suicide and the plane flying on for hours just doesn't make sense, unless the pilots killed or incapacitated all those on board. The only way I can think of doing that would be to set off some kind of chemical bomb on board.

JMO
Excellent point. Also, not only the flight attendants, but the many passengers who I am sure had cell phones, GPS, computers, etc. and would be able to tell the plane was off course and not headed to Beijing.

Totally confused by this latest report and cannot imagine how the aircraft flew for hours after it's last communication and was totally off the radar, didn't collide with another aircraft in the sky, wasn't seen by pilots of another aircraft, and so forth.

:waitasec:

MOO
 
  • #131
Who are Malaysias enemies?

In Malaysia Airlines Disappearance, Terrorism Fears Fly in China

(Passenger 84 is part of this group)


The news of the plane's disappearance has struck a China already on high alert for terrorism. Only a week earlier on March 1, a gruesome knife attack in the train station of provincial capital Kunming in southern Yunnan province left at least 29 dead and more than 140 injured. Chinese authorities have deemed the carnage in Kunming a terrorist attack carried out by separatists from Xinjiang, a region in northwest China heavily populated by Uighur Muslims.


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Xinjiang is a region on the westernmost edge of northern China. It is home to an ethnic Muslim minority called Uighurs

long chafed under Chinese rule and have protested the steady influx of ethnic Chinese into the region.

region has been part of many different — and, at times, competing — empires.

Xinjiang have agitated against China’s authoritarian government. Their protests are a reaction

Just as Chinese leaders try to control other religions, including Catholicism and evangelical Christianity, they have issued strict policies for Muslim Uighurs. They must use a state-approved Koran.

Mosques are managed by the government. And Uighur men who want government jobs have been forced to shave their beards; women are forbidden to wear head scarves.

Human rights groups have been fairly critical of China’s treatment of Uighurs. One of the most egregious examples they cite occurred just weeks ago, when authorities seized a prominent Uighur scholar (like passenger 84!) named Ilham Tohti at his home without explanation.

Readers who closely followed the debate over detainees held by the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may recall a group of Uighurs who were essentially stranded there for more than a decade… When U.S. officials tried to transfer them to other countries, China warned the nations not to accept them.

The violence has been bad for a while. What’s different now is the emergence of targeted terrorist strikes.

“The Chinese government will not hesitate to concoct a version of the incident in Beijing, so as to further impose repressive measures on the Uighur people.”

To Chinese, the most shocking attack blamed on Uighurs occurred in October when a jeep veered into a crowd in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, then crashed and burst into flames, killing five people.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...22c_story.html


PS: IF THE BLURRING ON THE ORGINAL PASSENGER MANIFEST IS CORRECT- THEN FROM DAY ONE THOSE IN POWER KNEW THERE WAS HUGE CONCERN -FROM THE ONSET, IMO
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Mass stabbing at Kunming train station

.... a group of assailants arrived at the train station, took out long knives and began stabbing passengers at random, killing 33 and wounding 143.

Chinese officials have moved to shut down discussion about the gruesome mass stabbing at the Kunming train station just days after the attack.

Those responsible were described by Chinese officials as "terrorists" from the far-western province of Xinjiang.

Over the past year there has been an increasing number of these violent clashes reported inside Xinjiang, where many local ethnic Uighurs seek independence from China.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...-quiet-on-deadly-train-station-attack/5307386

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/03/10/China_MH370_terrorism_chatter












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  • #132
346159. Anyone looking at tomnod. There is a lot of debris or something in about 20 panels I have been looking at. Could someone go to the panel number I posted and See what you think? It's 2 or 3 things in each panel. Nothing like any of the other panels I looked at. Tia

Here's a link to another panel.
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/350826
 
  • #133
Also, not only the flight attendants, but the many passengers who I am sure had cell phones, GPS, computers, etc. and would be able to tell the plane was off course and not headed to Beijing.

IIRC there was no Wifi on this plane!?

Being up in the air, I would suppose it isn't easy to tell whether you're off course or not as a layperson?


Yoda, how do I choose a specific pannel on tomnod? Haven't figured that out yet. Do I have to register in before?
 
  • #134
Based on the bizarre behaviors of the Malaysians over this whole thing, I have now allowed my mind to consider: Could some factor or group within the Malaysians themselves be behind this? And if so, how and why?

How: Pilot and co-pilot were given orders and they followed them. Turn plane around. Then either come back to Malaysia (maybe even to the same airport or the smallest one that has a long enough runway) or go to some other pre-arranged place (which countries are buddy buddy with Malaysia ?). It would have been in the middle of the night when the plane returned. I assume the U.S. is looking at any and every place within flying distance that has a runway long enough to have accepted this plane.

Why: I really don't know the answer to this. Who are Malaysias enemies? The Chinese? Perhaps someone high up in the Malaysian government thought it would somehow "show the Chinese a lesson" to kidnap those 20 Chinese technology experts?

Whoever would/could have done this had to have: 1.) been a real idiot 2.) had a LOT of power to persuade 3.) been totally out of touch with reality to have thought there would not be an enormous amount of international interest in the incident

The whole "move along here, nothing to see hear" attitude - of even the President of the country - is suspicious to me.

Any thoughts?

Brunei?

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  • #135
I do a have a strong feeling the same thing happened to MH370.
To me, it makes more sense than a suicidal pilot vs. everyone else on the plane. If no one was able to do anything to change the situation or call for help...it would mean they were either out or dead while still in the air, imo.
 
  • #136
autocorrect is not my friend. Good night folks. I am too tired to think straight but this plane, where is it? It wakes me in the middle of the night.

Lol. I had a giggle at your phrase "trams ponder". Got me thinking of a tram scratching it's head and wondering about the meaning of life. I just got off the tram to work. Good night.
 
  • #137
I have a timeline observation.

1:07 data transmitter is turned off. Based on reports earlier today, this is also the same time as the "alright, goodnight" comment between the captain and Malaysian ATC.
1:20 transponder turned off
1:30 fell from radar

So whatever happened deliberately happened before they were even out of Malaysian airspace. The captain evidently did not exhibit as being under duress but perhaps he was.

I'm still leaning with the theory of hijacking because I can't see a reason why the data transmitter and transponder would be deliberately turned off, unless this was intentional sabotage by the pilot(s).
 
  • #138
Heads up Aussies! The new map has you in it... get out there and start looking!
 
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  • #140
But this plan is significantly more sophisticated than 9/11. The terrorists have to outsmart the most powerful countries in the world, all of who are looking for the plane, on high alert, using all intelligence possible. It's more complex than taking advantage of lax airport security.

I'm not saying that they'll be successful in carrying out the remainder of their plan, they may even have already crashed into the ocean without getting to where ever it was that they intended to go, but we do know that they were successful in stealing the plane, shutting down the tracking devices, and hiding from radar. In other words, they've already outsmarted a lot of countries. (assuming)
 
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