Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[revampz]

I have another question for those knowing planes technical devices etc.

In the CNN news edition, they have said that the emergency beacon that goes off when it hits water did not go off either.

I gather they know this because no data to say it went off was sent to Rolls Royce....

Does anyone know what this beacon is?? what it does?? and could it be switched off??

 

[Chilly Willy]

In regards to 1, they seemed to follow some relaxed rules in regards to allowing people in lol. Even if they did, if the FAs realized something was amiss and needed to get in, they should know where the hidden axe is, right? I'm not sure though - I am just guessing they would know.

2 I think is possible but at the same time you would think at least someone on the plane would have noticed the pilot had failed to speak for awhile. Maybe they were sleeping though? I wonder if the FAs would have noticed the drop and failure to get back up?

Or maybe the hijackers had already subdued the passengers and flight attendants prior to entering the pit, if they ever did enter it. Maybe someone in the cockpit was also involved.

 

[ilovepierre]

What's up with passenger 84? The blurred out passenger name on the flight manifest?

One theory suggest he's part of the Chinese terrorist group that was behind the stabbings in China not that long ago.

 

[momrids6]

I have another question for those knowing planes technical devices etc.

In the CNN news edition, they have said that the emergency beacon that goes off when it hits water did not go off either.

I gather they know this because no data to say it went off was sent to Rolls Royce....

Does anyone know what this beacon is?? what it does?? and could it be switched off??

The "Black Box" which is orange btw- has a beacon that is activated by salt water

ETA: rules state an emergency beacon must be placed in at least one life raft too

 

[ElleElle]

autocorrect is not my friend. Good night folks. I am too tired to think straight but this plane, where is it? It wakes me in the middle of the night.

Rest well! We will be here. :loveyou:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Is it possible that the plane landed somewhere, refueled, and took off again in the time between when it went missing and when the actual physical search started? Or even after since they may have been searching in the wrong places?

Oh wow... Another idea that would throw much more confusion into the mix...

 

[Chilly Willy]

Fox news just showed the updated radius map on when the plane could have gone. I believe one of the newest radius maps is also the one Kimi kindly resized for us a few posts ago.

Also-

One pilot could not both fly the plane and go pull the ACARS breaker which is below-deck, below the gally (and not easy to quickly get to) per a 777 pilot just on CNN

The ACARS was turned off first, is that correct? 13 minutes before the transponder was turned off?

 

[gitana1]

CNN is saying that after looking at all of the evidence today US officials now think that the plane was purposefully flown out over the indian ocean and crashed.

Not really. I've been watching for a couple hours and they have multiple experts with multiple theories. No consensus. For example, Bill Nye seems to think the original search area wasn't searched well enough and seems skeptical about actual data showing the plane was in the Indian Ocean.

I don't believe it was suicidal either. For now. :scared:

There should be no reason a 777 cannot be located is shallow salt water or be a fire somewhere if in the jungle.

And, where is the black box?

Im not sure what is meant by shallow salt water. The ocean is vast. Incredibly, incredibly huge. And the depth of the Indian Ocean is super deep. Miles deep.

WORLD NEWS
Missing Flight Left Data Trail
Jetliner 'Pinged' Satellites With Location, Altitude for Hours After Disappearance

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304185104579437573396580350.html

So, why can't we get that info? What altitude? Where exactly?
Were those earlier reports about the plane flying for hours at 3,000 feet correct?

Communication satellites received intermittent data "pings" from a missing Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -4.08% jet, giving the plane's location, speed and altitude for at least five hours after it disappeared from civilian radar screens, people briefed on the investigation said Thursday.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304185104579437573396580350.html

Sound like a lot more than just pings to me.

Yes. And why can't it be released? What's the big secret?

so there is no reason we can think of that would make a pilot purposefully tur off a trams ponder in flight except in a situation where you are preparing to land and another plane is near to you? I understand WHY pilots have a means of putting the thing on standby or turning it off so to speak, but why would a pilot do that in flight?

Are there any other reasons we can think of for that to be done with purpose?

Do they explain WHY this is a needed thing

lol, went to hit post and saw CALIS had already posted a reply

I quoted a quote a couple times that shows there are other reasons for turning it off, such as it is not operating correctly.

 

[ilovepierre]

Does anyone know what this beacon is?? what it does?? and could it be switched off??

SBM.
Distress radio beacons, also known as emergency beacons, PLB (Personal Locator Beacon), ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) or EPIRB (Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacon), are tracking transmitters which aid in the detection and location of boats, aircraft, and people in distress. Strictly, they are radiobeacons that interface with worldwide offered service of Cospas-Sarsat, the international satellite system for search and rescue (SAR). When manually activated, or automatically activated upon immersion, such beacons send out a distress signal. The signals are monitored worldwide and the location of the distress is detected by non-geostationary satellites, and can be located by some combination of GPS trilateration and doppler triangulation.

The basic purpose of a distress radiobeacon is to help rescuers find survivors within the so-called "golden day"[2] (the first 24 hours following a traumatic event) during which the majority of survivors can usually be saved.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_radiobeacon"]Distress radiobeacon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[CARIIS]

CNN is saying that after looking at all of the evidence today US officials now think that the plane was purposefully flown out over the indian ocean and crashed.

Here is link for Starrs report
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

 

[momrids6]

Just jumping off your post...

could the people hijacking the plane want to use it for "reverse engineering " purposes...(I hope that is the term)...

they may want to learn how to create their own system of target... If not the whole plane itself?

:waitasec:

The pilots on the aviation forums keep tossing this theory around. Some feel this may be a purpose....

 

[momrids6]

The ACARS was turned off first, is that correct? 13 minutes before the transponder was turned off?

yes- ACARS was turned off first

 

[PrairieWind]

If a pilot was talking thru his oxygen mask, would it sound like mumbling on the radio?

 

[Chilly Willy]

http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/...jet-probe-will-become-criminal-inquiry-n51036

Great article, it addresses many of our questions.

 

[WI1987]

The "Black Box" which is orange btw- has a beacon that is activated by salt water

ETA: rules state an emergency beacon must be placed in at least one life raft too

Can this beacon be deactivated?

If not ... then this means we have 2 possibilities:
1) The plane crashed on land.
or
2) Some terrorist group actually managed to not only pull off a successful hijacking but to evade detection for almost a week.

Ladies and gentlemen, I hope to God it's the first possibility and not the second. The idea that a terrorist group managed to pull something like this off frightens the heck out of me.

 

[Chilly Willy]

From the article posted by CARISS, adressing the decompression theory:

“If that had happened in this instance, the Boeing 777 would have continued on its flight plan toward China until air traffic controllers were unable to get a response from the pilots,” said U.K. crash investigator David Gleave. "At that point, fighter jets would be scrambled to intercept it. There would be no mystery over the plane’s whereabouts. And it doesn’t explain why there has been no sign of the Malaysia plane's emergency transponder."

Could the pilots have been trying to turn back when they ran out of oxygen, leaving the aircraft to drift westward?

“That’s also unlikely,” said Gleave. “The very first thing you would do is get your oxygen masks on and then descend as quickly as possible. You would only start making turns once you had got down to a lower altitude. And that descent would be picked up on the civilian radar.”

 

[revampz]

the NBC news article that CarIIS posted was a good in depth article.

My computer got stuck while trying to link to it again..sorry.

One thing I found interesting is that on the Silk Air flight where the pilot committed suicide he pulled the circuit breaker while the air traffic control was being changed from one country to another.....

Now I know why they have been interviewing the pilots family.........

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Did MH370 have enough fuel to make it to Tromelin Island? Uninhabited AND has a 1200 meter landing strip.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Tromelin_Island



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[ElleElle]

In regards to 1, they seemed to follow some relaxed rules in regards to allowing people in lol. Even if they did, if the FAs realized something was amiss and needed to get in, they should know where the hidden axe is, right? I'm not sure though - I am just guessing they would know.

2 I think is possible but at the same time you would think at least someone on the plane would have noticed the pilot had failed to speak for awhile. Maybe they were sleeping though? I wonder if the FAs would have noticed the drop and failure to get back up?

BBM ~ Good catch! :seeya:

Their final words were "All right, good night". So, it's possible there are quite literally going to sleep since it was a red eye flight.

Falling asleep at the wheel is deadly.

Accidents are called accidents for a reason.

Still does not explain where MH370 is.

 

[ElleElle]

For it to be a too late situation, the plane would have had to drastically and quickly lose altitude, with no time for the polite to repond to the blaring alarms and warning lights. What could have happened that was that catastrophic yet would have left the plane mechanically sound enough to continue flying for four more hours? How do you account for the 13 minutes between the time the two communication systems being shut off?

Sorry, I posted this post before reading other current posts.

These threads fly so fast!