Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[ilovepierre]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/88885
Another boat?

It doesn't look like a boat. Could be some sort of debris, though.
Tag it anyways

 

[JerseyGirl]

it has been confirmed that the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, and co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, did not ask to fly together on the Kuala Lumpur to Beijing flight the night the plane disappeared.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...no-sign-of-plane/story-fni0xs61-1226856425445

 

[gia2]

Has this been reported anywhere else? (Daily Mirror not the most reliable of sources). I hadn't heard this before but it does place more suspicion on the captain if true.

This has been discussed a few times in the thread. The pilot's wife and kids did not move out of the family home the day before, they went to stay in their second home.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Someone posted another link to the story last night, however I do not have the link. It sounded like they have 2 homes though. jmo

the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family's home the day before the plane's disappearance.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ente...ck-missing-plane-himself-in-political-protest

 

[popsicle]

how many years or decades ago was this Ad....

the saying above the plane in the pic says it all..even for all who are searching

our new Boeing 777
Lose yourself in a journey of epic proportion

I would guess 2012 because that is when they revamped the Golden lounge at KLIA. That is referenced at the bottom of the flyer. http://www.businesstraveller.com/tr.../lounge-check-malaysia-airlines-golden-lounge

 

[JerseyGirl]

this one is new to me ...

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality - illegal in Malaysia - only hours before flight MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ente...ck-missing-plane-himself-in-political-protest

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

No, they only wear mom jeans and cover-alls in Texas. They wouldn't consider doing such a thing in Oklahoma! You should move here.

In California... The dudes wear the mom jeans... And the women dress their chihuahuas in little overalls...

Go figure... :dunno:

 

[ilovepierre]

I am really curious where we all are. Would you just do one of two words:

Crashed or

Landed

Be neat to see what the "verdict" right now is...

Me

Landed

Crash landed

I don't have a solid answer yet. It flip flops hourly.

 

[ToutCa]

Current KNOWN FACTS:

At 8:11am Malaysian time on March 8, the plane's ACARS system pinged a satellite for the last time. According to data analysis published in the New York Times, the ping likely originated from somewhere on the two dark red lines on the image below. There IS a margin for error, so at 8:11 the plane COULD have been off the dark red lines and within the first shaded bubble. The plane may have been flying OR may have been on the ground at the time of the ping. The plane had about an hour of fuel remaining, so it could have flown on to ANYWHERE within the SECOND shaded bubbles surrounding the dark red lines.

The potential area the plane ended its March 8 journey is VAST and virtually impossible to search thoroughly barring further information.

Note that almost all of the searches carried out up to now, including the Tomnod effort, were totally useless as the plane could not have ended in the areas searched.

Other current KNOWN FACTS OF MARCH 8:

12:41am: Takeoff
1:07am: Take-over begins. Someone turns off main ACARS system.
1:21am: Someone turns off transponder.
Around 1:20am: Someone in cockpit signs off to Malaysia ATC "Alright, good night"
2:40am: After advanced maneuvers, plane leaves Malaysia military radar heading north.
8:11am: Last of intermittent secondary ACARS pings received by satellite.

EVERYTHING ELSE is pure SPECULATION:

We KNOW someone staged a takeover and diverted the flight starting at 1:07am. We still don't know who, how, or why -- or even where in the potential ending areas the plane ended up. Beware, depending on what happened, it could be a long and complex investigation before we learn more. Or the plane may indeed never be found...sadly, it is possible.

 

[beth272]

Everyday I wake up and check here for the latest news on the plane and my heart sinks everyday it's not found This is just so insane.....Please find something TODAY!!!!

 

[ilovepierre]

The same idea crossed my mind, especially when I heard the [unconfirmed] report that the plane was flying fairly low across Malaysia. Maybe the original plan was to hit a major building or site in Malaysia, but the plan did not play out as intended?

Back on the first or second thread, someone posted a theory that maybe the plane was headed towards the Petronas Towers.

 

[JerseyGirl]

AL-QAEDA PROBE AFTER LINK TO MALAYSIAN TERROR PLOT

As police probe how Flight MH370 was possibly hijacked, British media are speculating the plane’s disappearance could also be linked to al-Qaeda.

A plot created by Malaysian Islamists to hijack the Malaysia Airlines plane in a 9/11-style attack is being investigated, The UK’s Daily Telegraph reports.

It comes after al-Qaeda informant Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, told a court that a group of Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door.

Security experts said his evidence was “credible”.

Badat said that he had met the Malaysian jihadists – one of whom was a pilot – in Afghanistan and given them a shoe bomb to use to take control of an aircraft.

In giving evidence at the trial in New York of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law, Badat said: “I gave one of my shoes to the Malaysians. I think it was to access the cockpit.”

Badat, who spoke via video link, said the Malaysian plot was being masterminded by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was behind the 9/11 attack in the US in 2001.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...mid-hijack-fears/story-fni0xs61-1226855986042

 

[Elley Mae]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-16-07-12-38
Below is referring to egyptair 990 that crashes in 1999
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They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the plane downward, and calmly repeated the phrase "I rely on God" over and over, 11 times in total.

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Yet while the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the co-pilot's actions caused the crash, they didn't use the word "suicide" in the main findings of their 160-page report, instead saying the reason for his actions "was not determined."

 

[ilovepierre]

What if one or both of the pilots never got on the flight. I know I am on the fringe but it would explain so much.

I had that thought yesterday. Another pilot or co-pilot could have boarded the plane in place of the ones who were supposed to be there.

 

[JerseyGirl]

a 35-year-old Uighur man from China’s troubled autonomous Muslim province was on Flight MH370 may be looked at in a new light. The group claimed responsibility earlier this week but were dismissed as opportunitistic and not credible, but Malaysian reports now say the passenger had taken flight-simulator training in 2005.

bbm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...mid-hijack-fears/story-fni0xs61-1226855986042

 

[gia2]

Bob Woodruff ‏@BobWoodruff 1m https://twitter.com/BobWoodruff

Simulator owned by #Flight370 pilot captain Zahairi Ahmad Shah who often invited others to use it for fun. @ABC pic.twitter.com/caNc57FyFp

It would be interesting to know if the co-pilot ever used the simulator at the pilot's home.
I'd also like to know how many times they'd flown together in the past. We've not heard anything (as far as I know) about them being friends or having worked together frequently in the past.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Australia said it was sending one of its two AP-3C Orion aircraft involved in the search to the remote islands in the Indian Ocean at Malaysia's request. The plane will search the north and west of the Cocos Islands, a remote Australian territory with an airstrip about 1200 kilometers (745 miles) southwest of Indonesia, military chief Gen. David Hurley said.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/03/16/3329423/focus-turns-to-pilots-as-hunt.html#storylink=cpy

bbm

 

[belimom]

I was telling DH about the flight simulator in the captain's home. He said there are only two reasons for a pilot - who flies more days than he does not - to have a flight simulator at home:

1) to train others
2) to practice landing somewhere you've never landed

(Was it determined that it was a true simulator?)

 

[JerseyGirl]

most experts say the person in control of the aircraft would more likely have chosen the southern route. The southern Indian Ocean is the world's third-deepest and one of the most remote stretches of water in the world, with little radar coverage. The wreckage might take months — or longer — to find, or might never be located.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/03/16/3329423/focus-turns-to-pilots-as-hunt.html#storylink=cpy

bbm

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I wonder if there were any schedules switched among crew for this flight?

Very good question!

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