Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[Ravynne]

Ok since we don't know who, what or where this plane is, and I don't wanna think this let alone say it out loud, has anyone considered Russian influences?

Hate! Hate, hate to put tat out there. But thee it is.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Malaysia police probe flight engineer on missing plane

Monday, March 17, 2014, 06:52


http://www.timesofmalta.com/article...probe-flight-engineer-on-missing-plane.510912

Interesting that this flight engineer's father declines to comment whether he thinks his son could commit such a crime...

:waitasec:

 

[Marg from Oz]

Maybe there is a clock on the wall that they are looking at.

I am very pedantic as far as record keeping and cross referencing which brings me to my latest thought.

When you arrive in a country you have to go through immigration. All your details are put into a computer. This is how they know if someone is in the country or has overstayed their visa.

Seeing as the two passports were stolen in Thailand they would not have been entered into Malaysia's computer as entering the country.

When they presented the passports at immigration departure, this should have shown up that they had never entered the country if Malaysia's immigration records were up to scratch.

But, on the other hand. If they had been entered into the computer as having arrived in Malaysia then I would hazard a guess that this false passport caper is huge and would involve immigration falsifying entries. jMoo

 

[momrids6]

Ok since we don't know who, what or where this plane is, and I don't wanna think this let alone say it out loud, has anyone considered Russian influences?

Hate! Hate, hate to put tat out there. But thee it is.

Nope. Putin wants his USSR back- and he's busy getting it back- one piece at a time, imo

 

[Soulmagent]

LOL well that explains it! For 3 days they were out shopping for twin legs, pants and shoes.......

And the pilot glanced at the camera ,hoping someone noticed.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

They went through a metal detector first....I don't see anything up with him in the video below. His eyes aren't clear, so hard to tell exactly where he was looking or what he was looking at. One crew behind him looks up that way also. Don't know what is on the wall with the security camera either that either may have looked at...
ETA: I agree with you about the "patdown". Guess they need to watch "COPS" too. It has made me 150% sure I will not fly that airline when I finally get to book my trip to Australia (one day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62VYg-Rc6e8#t=23

Surely there's better footage than that!?! I don't get why they would release footage, but only footage that was "dumbed down" in quality!?

 

[cady]

My thoughts exactly! thanks for articulating

 

[Ravynne]

Nope. Putin wants his USSR back- and he's busy getting it back- one piece at a time, imo

I know, but I had to ask because the man scares the he11 out of me, frankly.
Plus the ability to let an entire 777 fly over any country.... Without a word.
...sigh...

Back to the green fairy, lol.

 

[Phosphor]

My current theory is the pilot, very angry with the Malaysian government overturning the acquittal spends the next few hours planning how to damage the government.
He reports for duty, gets on the plane and at some point locks the co pilot out of the cockpit. Then by severe manoeuvres he depressurises the plane whilst he is on oxygen. He is now the only person conscious/ alive on the plane and has peace and quiet and a few hours to carry out the rest of his plan. It is a quick and painless death as far as he is concerned which helps overcome his guilt.

He deliberately flies low enough to be seen to be a possible threat over 3 military radar hoping to cause trouble. Maybe he was going to have a cat and mouse chase with the aim of being shot down. Imagine that, the Malaysian military forced to shoot down a commercial airliner over their own country. To make it worse it is the country's own airline of which the government owns a majority interest.

However, they don't notice him so he decides it will be international chaos and greatly damage the government if he flies the plane as far into the Indian Ocean as fuel allows. He doesn't care if the plane is ever found, just that he has a plane with passenger nationalities from all around the world. The world will turn its attention to how the Malaysian government let this happen. Which is exactly what is now happening.

There is no doubt for me that an enormous part of information release is about sensitivity within and between countries about their security and security relationships. This relates to radar and other technology, integrity of data etc and I can imagine that some of the dilemmas have and continue to involve issues such as sharing data about this flight will inevitably reveal other things that spill various beans about security/lack of security/style of security/depth of coverage/illicit/spying/secret operations. And let's not forget Boeing. And data security, and remote information issues, and how political that would be.

Certain info is likely having to be vetted at all sorts of levels before it can be shared with other nations and security specialists, and I would expect there to be opportunism in all shapes and forms between governments. The worries internationally right now must be exponential - in addition to the actual original source of this worry and confusion.

Just some thoughts...

 

[highflyer]

Ok since we don't know who, what or where this plane is, and I don't wanna think this let alone say it out loud, has anyone considered Russian influences?

Hate! Hate, hate to put tat out there. But thee it is.

It had crossed my mind. Misdirection. Don't look at the Ukraine, look at this.

 

[momrids6]

Surely there's better footage than that!?! I don't get why they would release footage, but only footage that was "dumbed down" in quality!?

so happy you're on! Can you break this down so I can understand this?
Flight Management System:

The pilot pre-programs the route of flight or the system uploads it automatically,

The bolded part- where does this system get the upload from? and- when the Captain gets into the plane, has this system already uploaded his flight plan? How hard is it to change this and how long does it take?

 

[Ravynne]

It had crossed my mind. Misdirection. Don't look at the Ukraine, look at this.

Yes, bingo!

 

[Soulmagent]

Ok since we don't know who, what or where this plane is, and I don't wanna think this let alone say it out loud, has anyone considered Russian influences?

Hate! Hate, hate to put tat out there. But thee it is.

Yes , I have considered it .
I thought at first it was a distraction. Then I thought it was not .

I thought that it would be impossible to steal a plane without one or more governments support. Malaysia I thought .

I then thought i was being to over the top and scaled back and thought that maybe the airport managers had a role and knowing Malaysia has little control on the large scale corruption in their country .

No matter how I look at it it would seem whomever piloted that plane would have had to had dealt with g force . They would have had to have military training on how to avoid radar detection . Just my part of what I having been thinking.in short JMO.
The motive I concluded was an attack by a government wishing to escape the inquiry of other governments.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Sorry to interrupt the flow of the thread, but am just now trying to catch up.

Does anyone know where Anwar Abrahim is? Could he have been on Malaysian Flight 370? IIRC, I read he is free pending appeal. As he has already spent 5 or 6 years (have heard both numbers) in prison for such a ridiculous conviction, could he have been determined to not go back to prison? There is no way he could be assured of not being convicted again.

That March 7th court date had been set. Does anyone know how far in advance he knew of the court date? The pilot was a strong supporter of Abrahim and there may have been a contingency plan to flee the country should he be convicted again.

The young co-pilot is the son of a Malaysian official and would make for a good hostage (maybe even a willing one). I know it is said that the pilot did not ask to be paired with that young co-pilot for the flight, but we do not know everything. Was this a scheduled flight for the pilot or did he volunteer for this particular flight?

IF the above scenario could have happened, then the plane could have landed safely and the passengers still be alive because it is said that the pilot was not a violent person. To kill 238 (excluding himself) people would not have been his mission or intent. The real hostage would be the co-pilot. The demand could be that the Malaysian officials not retry Abrahim and that the current PM resign or that the conviction be vacated and there be a fair and impartial democratic election.

VERY far-fetched, but this whole thing is far-fetched. The only thing I feel is that it is political in nature. Sorry if any of this has already been suggested. You people are Olympic class posters!

*This is an interesting article although it contradicts one that states Abrahim is free pending appeal.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/enter...ticalprotest

**it appears this link is broken, but I copied it just as JerseyGirl posted it. The article was at StandardMedia.

Even as I post this, I know you have to let the facts lead any investigation, but we have so few facts.

The only other thing I have to say is that when I saw the clip of the pilot gong through security, I swear he looked straight up at the camera! I cannot remember where I saw that clip, but it gave me the creeps the way he looked up at it.


MOO

Whoooaaahh!

Great theory!

Malaysia certainly wouldn't want to have THAT information out in the public... Now would they? (That a political "prisoner" was missing... Along with the plane!)

:waitasec:

 

[Waddles]

Morning all :wave:

Just catching up. So, question: if the sharp turn just before entering Vietnamese airspace was pre-programmed as is reported does anyone know how this works and how early on it was pre-programmed? I mean, can you pre-programme a sharp turn just before doing it or is it a long time before and how does it work, is it when you're on the plane that you pre-programme it?

 

[revampz]

My current theory is the pilot, very angry with the Malaysian government overturning the acquittal spends the next few hours planning how to damage the government.
He reports for duty, gets on the plane and at some point locks the co pilot out of the cockpit. Then by severe manoeuvres he depressurises the plane whilst he is on oxygen. He is now the only person conscious/ alive on the plane and has peace and quiet and a few hours to carry out the rest of his plan. It is a quick and painless death as far as he is concerned which helps overcome his guilt for the innocent passengers.

He deliberately flies low enough to be seen to be a possible threat over 3 military radar hoping to cause trouble. Maybe he was going to have a cat and mouse chase with the aim of being shot down. Imagine that, the Malaysian military forced to shoot down a commercial airliner over their own country. To make it worse it is the country's own airline of which the government owns a majority interest.

However, they don't notice him so he decides it will be international chaos and greatly damage the government if he flies the plane as far into the Indian Ocean as fuel allows. He doesn't care if the plane is ever found, just that he has a plane with passenger nationalities from all around the world. The world will turn its attention to how the Malaysian government let this happen. Which is exactly what is now happening.

yep am on the same page...

however I didn't factor into being shot down by military planes and the government in chaos with the spotlight on them for shooting down a civilian plane.......that is very credible!!

The one thing we need to know is just what was most important to him....bringing down a government or his family.....

he may of thought he was a hero by getting rid of a corrupt government for the Malaysian people.....

I just saw on the news that the pilots daughter lives in Melbourne....this must be so awful for them at the moment..

 

[Waddles]

so happy you're on! Can you break this down so I can understand this?
Flight Management System:

The pilot pre-programs the route of flight or the system uploads it automatically,

The bolded part- where does this system get the upload from? in other words- when the Captain get into the plane, has this system already uploaded his flight plan? How hard is it to change this and how long does it take?

Just saw this, thanks that was my question too, you word it better

 

[Nymeria]

It had crossed my mind. Misdirection. Don't look at the Ukraine, look at this.

:ditto:

Although I have to say, to be fair, the situation in Ukraine/Crimea/Russia seems to be getting just as much attention in the last few days, if not more (But that is because I have been watching BBC World News more often, and even Al Jazeera America).
CNN with their "sad intro" music with the MH370 graphic rubs me the wrong way.

 

[gregjrichards]

Morning all :wave:

Just catching up. So, question: if the sharp turn just before entering Vietnamese airspace was pre-programmed as is reported does anyone know how this works and how early on it was pre-programmed? I mean, can you pre-programme a sharp turn just before doing it or is it a long time before and how does it work, is it when you're on the plane that you pre-programme it?

Morning Waddles and everyone else. The next press conference is in an hour exactly 5:30pm Malaysian Time

 

[highflyer]

Yes , I have considered it .
I thought at first it was a distraction. Then I thought it was not .

I thought that it would be impossible to steal a plane without one or more governments support. Malaysia I thought .

I then thought i was being to over the top and scaled back and thought that maybe the airport managers had a role and knowing Malaysia has little control on the large scale corruption in their country .

No matter how I look at it it would seem whomever piloted that plane would have had to had dealt with g force . They would have had to have military training on how to avoid radar detection . Just my part of what I having been thing.in short JMO.
The motive I concluded was an attack by a government wishing to escape the inquiry of other governments.

A government would get the distraction needed to carry out a takeover plus gain information on technology had by other countries with information sharing and bring world wide forces to one area.