Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[Elley Mae]

Malaysia Backtracks on When Airliner’s Communications Were Disabled

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=0

I am about to come undone, is this new news? what is up with all the dang lying? I am beginning to not care about this, and very glad I will never be on a plane in that part of the world. What a bunch........... jmo

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

From Monday's press conference:

“We don’t know when the ACARS system was switched off. What we know is the last transmission,” chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya told reporters.

According the information presented by officials, at 1.07am, after take-off and ascent, the plane sent its last Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) transmission, which gives engine maintenance data to the ground. The system was later deactivated at an unknown time, allegedly before the last voice contact, around 1.19am. Two minutes after the plane drops off air traffic control screens as its transponder – which responds to civilian radar – is switched off.http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/17/...xpand-immediately-searches-for-missing-plane/

Have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Or any of this, at this point. ullhair:

(Maybe 'Two minutes AFTERWARD the plane drops off air traffic control screens'?)

 

[cady]

I recently read a discussion between pilots where it was suggested that VHF radios are commonly on board in the cabin as well as HF and often SATphones........none of which have been mentioned, to my knowledge. Anyone know if this is likely true? If so, it's three more ways to SOS if need be. jmo jmo

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

"What we've got here is a "Failure to Communicate."

~ Cool Hand Luke

 

[Bravo]

"What we've got here is a "Failure to Communicate."

~ Cool Hand Luke

Epic Failure :banghead::tantrum:

 

[branwynbreeze]

This is a problem however…..

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...om-cockpit-may-be-clue-to-jets-disappearance?

"The informal hand-off went against standard radio procedures, which would have called for the speaker to read back instructions for contacting the next control centre and include the aircraft's call sign, said Hugh Dibley, a former British Airways pilot and a Fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society."

But for some reason it didn't send red flags to Malaysia ATC. While not official protocol, I think it's not that unusual and it was middle of night, perhaps more lax. If this was an often sched flight pilot and ATC had spoken a number times to each other, just another day at the office.

 

[Leilei]

"What we've got here is a "Failure to Communicate."

~ Cool Hand Luke

:clap::yourock:

Post of the day!

 

[faw720]

Malaysia Backtracks on When Airliner’s Communications Were Disabled

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=0

I am about to come undone, is this new news? what is up with all the dang lying? I am beginning to not care about this, and very glad I will never be on a plane in that part of the world. What a bunch........... jmo

Respectfully, we don't know that they are lying. They may simply be confused.

However, if we stop & think about it, most governments, even our own here in the US, keep lots of information secret from the general public. This is just a guess but I'm thinking that if anyone actually KNOWS what happened, it's the Chinese. I would think that they would have the most sophisticated technology in the region.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Rob ‏@robfit 10m

FORMER CIA ANALYST: Disappearance of #MH370 More Skillfully Executed Than 9-11 http://shar.es/REya0 #tcot

Associated media link and quote:

Mike Scheuer told Newstalk ZB's Rachel Smalley it appears to be even more precise than 9/11.

"It's not evident that it was a suicide mission. Perhaps they have other uses for the plane if it's a terrorism attack.

"Perhaps they're going to try bargain with the West for the release of some al-Qaeda people in return for releasing the passengers who were on the plane."

He says if it was an act of terrorism, there could be a rogue plane out there.

"Once their plane is down somewhere you can repaint it, you can put a different number on the fuselage, and if you replace some of the equipment it won't give off the identifying signal that it would give off normally.

"And then you have kind of a wild card aircraft out there."

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/aucklan...n-plane-may-have-sent-signals-from-the-ground

 

[Waddles]

Rob ‏@robfit 10m

FORMER CIA ANALYST: Disappearance of #MH370 More Skillfully Executed Than 9-11 http://shar.es/REya0 #tcot

 

[Scottndianner]

Just makes it more frustrating - how can anything be relied upon? Every day we spend pages and pages analyzing clues or bits of information - the next morning we wake up - come here or read elsewhere and SURPRISE, SURPRISE - the M. Government has changed its story.

So now the conclusion that it was the Captain - (if I'm not mistaken - even Ms. Hersman from U.S. stated that his voice had presumably been verified) - is retracted and it was the co-pilot???? Are they even sure of that??? Did a voice expert check on this? :banghead:

Funny thing is, if we could just hear from the wife. Who needs an expert to analyze the voices? Just ask the wife, or other family members...
At this point, I'd rather hear from the wife and family members...maybe they won't retract everything they say! :banghead:

 

[CarolynV]

The other countries are going to keep Malaysia honest, right? I mean, there's only so much spinning they can do?

I am wondering if "All right, good night" was some kind of code for someone not on the plane.

 

[CARIIS]

Virtual operators manual for a class !

http://www.deltava.org/library/B777 Manual.pdf

 

[popsicle]

Rob ‏@robfit 10m

FORMER CIA ANALYST: Disappearance of #MH370 More Skillfully Executed Than 9-11 http://shar.es/REya0 #tcot

Associated media link and quote:

I really think someone here wrote that a couple days ago... several days ago actually. (well they said it) :banghead:

 

[CARIIS]

https://www.google.com/search?q=pic...tting%2F59499-united-hanger-sfo.html;1024;768


https://www.google.com/search?q=pic...tting%2F59499-united-hanger-sfo.html;1024;768

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I really think someone here wrote that a couple days ago... several days ago actually. (well they said it) :banghead:

Thanks, it seems I heard someone saying similarly.

Article was dated March 17, and tweet was current, so wasn't sure if this was another CIA-type chiming in or not.

 

[CARIIS]

Time of useful consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At 35,000 feet it's 30 to 60 seconds.


THE FL - flight level

so FL 300 =30000

 

[ToutCa]

U.S. News ‏@usnews 1h

Expert: 3 pieces of evidence indicate Flight #MH370 was taken over by someone who knew how the plane worked http://ow.ly/uFl1P

But #1 and #2 are now in question: today it was revealed that BOTH transponder and ACARS switch-offs could have come after "Alright good night".

Some sort of fire or explosion could have knocked some systems out, with the plane flying uncontrolled afterward.

It really comes down to #3, "Guided Flight":

Airliners normally fly from waypoint to waypoint where they can be seen by air traffic controllers who space them out so they don't collide. These lanes in the sky aren't straight lines. In order to follow that course, someone had to be guiding the plane, Goglia said.

Does the radar evidence really show guided flight or was the plane wandering? Were the waypoints entered? When? Could they have been entered in the seconds immediately following an emergency with the damaged plane and disabled crew lurching to them on autopilot?

Can't flying to a series of 4-5 waypoints be handled easily by autopilot?

My advice: take everything each self-promoting "expert" says with a grain of salt.

I'd lean toward intentional diversion at present, but it has not been proven. At all. The data is ambiguous at best. The story is far, far murkier than the media headlines claim.

 

[Tssiemer]

Ugh Phillip Wood's fiancé makes me want to cry. She has clothes packed for him for when she goes and gets him. She makes me want to hop on a boat and look for him myself.


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[gitana1]

The British are a lot more formal than everyone else in the world. American experts on CNN state that informal pleasantries are perfectly normal.

They are. During my fear of flying course we spent an afternoon in the Air Trafgic Control tower. We listened to the communications between tower and planes. There was a lot of, "Good afternoon, San Francisco...", etc. but I think what some are saying is that specific language they are supposed to use was missing entirely.